Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

Agent 010

Suva, Fiji

#99565 Sep 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
They just keep falling from the sky.:-)
"Scientists have discovered unexpected ingredients for life — organic molecules never seen before in meteorites — inside a chunk of space rock that fell to Earth over California last year, scientists say.
The discovery comes from an analysis of the so-called Sutter's Mill meteorite, which lit up the California night sky with a dazzling fireball in April 2012. Meteorite fragments from the event may shed light on the primordial ooze that helped give rise to life on Earth, researchers said.
http://news.yahoo.com/meteorite-brought-surpr...
I'm waiting until they have more data
Here's the data:

http://bit.ly/16eabEW

http://bit.ly/1avTkBM

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99566 Sep 10, 2013
Agent 010 above is pure spam....stay away

“When you treat people as they ”

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#99567 Sep 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be Godwin's law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches. In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
No godbots law involved, I was stating fact

"In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that He would give His blessing to our work, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right. I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty. No man can fashion world history unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence."
Adolph Hitler - 1937

See also

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian...

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#99568 Sep 10, 2013
KlearMastKO1 wrote:
Creation Wins
Sure it does... but ONLY if complete ignorance is the goal

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99569 Sep 10, 2013
"Voltaire was a French philosopher in the 1700s who was not afraid to criticize the church or the aristocracy. He was thrown into prison a number of times for his outspoken views and he spent much of his life in exile.

Voltaire wanted to replace Christianity with ‘natural religion’. He wrote that although our observations of design and intelligence in nature make the existence of God obvious, organized religion can cause us to associate God with superstition and fanaticism. He said that believing in God makes us aspire to be good. If God did not exist then we would need to invent him.

In 1764, he released a book called ‘Philosophical Dictionary’ in which he exposed the myths of Christianity and highlighted the corruptions of the church. Addressing those who would defend the church and its mythology for the sake of trying to uphold public morality, he wrote ...

“Don't you see that you pervert these poor people? Among them are many more rational thinkers than you realize. They laugh at your miracles and superstitions. They have enough good sense to see that you are preaching to them a discreditable religion, but they do not have enough sense to raise themselves to a pure religion free from superstition. Their passions make them believe that there is no religion at all because the only one they are taught is ridiculous. And so you become guilty of all the vices into which they plunge.

You would be stoned to death by the people if you taught them impure morals. Men have been made in such a way that they are quite willing to do evil, but they do not want it preached to them. Nothing can be gained from preaching wise morals that will be rejected because they are mixed with absurd fables. Because of your deceptions, which you could easily do without, you weaken the morality which you are obliged to teach.

It is necessary for every man to be honest, and the surest way to instill justice in all men is to teach them religion without superstition.”--Voltaire

http://www.evolutionary-metaphysics.net/rise_...

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He Is A Sock Know It All

#99571 Sep 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>
When you are dead, you don't know that you’re dead but it obvious to everyone else. It’s the same when you are stupid. Hint Hint!!

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#99572 Sep 11, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Just two requests:
1-Show me those already proven "myths", and the proof that they are false.
2-Show me the proof to support atheism, which is a position of certainty.
Aaaaaand the Topic cycle starts again...

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#99573 Sep 11, 2013
The following has to do with this forum.
So opinions from will be necessary here as evidence/facts will not be a resource to reference from. Intelligent thought out opinions would be nice.
We have 'life after death experiences' that science basicly claims the human mind has been 'brain washed' to produce such said experiences in various people, religious and nonreligious because of the heavy theistic influences we are suffered to from birth to death.
If the above holds true, then why doesn't the opposite happen which by all facts of our evolution should be happening?
We have been 'brainwashed' about the evolution of this earth and the birth of the stars and how we come from it all for almost as long as theism has been around, especially for the last few centuries.
Why aren't there as many 'life after death' experiences happening to people with visions of how the earth and stars came to be? The same 'brainwashing' logic can be rationally applied to either possibility.
So we have people being 'brainwashed' to two forms of creation and both forms come with 'supposed' supported pictures, writings, etc but only one type of creation is experienced by people having NDE.
Why?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99574 Sep 11, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
When you are dead, you don't know that you’re dead but it obvious to everyone else. It’s the same when you are stupid. Hint Hint!!
And when you say you are "playing stupid" when you get caught out saying the most incredibly ignorant stuff...we all know you aren't playing at all...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99575 Sep 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
The following has to do with this forum.
So opinions from will be necessary here as evidence/facts will not be a resource to reference from. Intelligent thought out opinions would be nice.
We have 'life after death experiences' that science basicly claims the human mind has been 'brain washed' to produce such said experiences in various people, religious and nonreligious because of the heavy theistic influences we are suffered to from birth to death.
If the above holds true, then why doesn't the opposite happen which by all facts of our evolution should be happening?
We have been 'brainwashed' about the evolution of this earth and the birth of the stars and how we come from it all for almost as long as theism has been around, especially for the last few centuries.
Why aren't there as many 'life after death' experiences happening to people with visions of how the earth and stars came to be? The same 'brainwashing' logic can be rationally applied to either possibility.
So we have people being 'brainwashed' to two forms of creation and both forms come with 'supposed' supported pictures, writings, etc but only one type of creation is experienced by people having NDE.
Why?
why would brains that are dying think of that? people naturally think of their life and loved ones when they are dying.

i clearly remember the guy that gave me CPR when i was dead but i was told i couldn't, as i had no heartbeat and wasn't breathing. but of course, i do. my brain was still working...this is all "life after death" experiences are, what the brain is thinking as it is dying..or almost dying in these cases...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99576 Sep 11, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
Aaaaaand the Topic cycle starts again...
natch...Lawrence is a good guy, he just seemed to misunderstand what i was saying...
spOko

Oakland, CA

#99577 Sep 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
The following has to do with this forum.
So opinions from will be necessary here as evidence/facts will not be a resource to reference from. Intelligent thought out opinions would be nice.
We have 'life after death experiences' that science basicly claims the human mind has been 'brain washed' to produce such said experiences in various people, religious and nonreligious because of the heavy theistic influences we are suffered to from birth to death.
If the above holds true, then why doesn't the opposite happen which by all facts of our evolution should be happening?
We have been 'brainwashed' about the evolution of this earth and the birth of the stars and how we come from it all for almost as long as theism has been around, especially for the last few centuries.
Why aren't there as many 'life after death' experiences happening to people with visions of how the earth and stars came to be? The same 'brainwashing' logic can be rationally applied to either possibility.
So we have people being 'brainwashed' to two forms of creation and both forms come with 'supposed' supported pictures, writings, etc but only one type of creation is experienced by people having NDE.
Why?
Huh? What the f***...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99578 Sep 11, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? What the f***...
She's trying to say that because some people have thoughts of people in their lives that died before them or some 'white light', that is proof of an already proven false god...

tired old crap...

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#99579 Sep 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
The following has to do with this forum.
So opinions from will be necessary here as evidence/facts will not be a resource to reference from. Intelligent thought out opinions would be nice.
We have 'life after death experiences' that science basicly claims the human mind has been 'brain washed' to produce such said experiences in various people, religious and nonreligious because of the heavy theistic influences we are suffered to from birth to death.
If the above holds true, then why doesn't the opposite happen which by all facts of our evolution should be happening?
We have been 'brainwashed' about the evolution of this earth and the birth of the stars and how we come from it all for almost as long as theism has been around, especially for the last few centuries.
Why aren't there as many 'life after death' experiences happening to people with visions of how the earth and stars came to be? The same 'brainwashing' logic can be rationally applied to either possibility.
So we have people being 'brainwashed' to two forms of creation and both forms come with 'supposed' supported pictures, writings, etc but only one type of creation is experienced by people having NDE.
Why?
Holy crap that was difficult to read.

BTW... the amount of time the average person spends discussing science in their lifetime is hardly a bump on the scale compared with the amount of time they spend talking about and practicing their religion.

Science doesn't make empty promises of an afterlife where you can re-join those that passed on before you.... religion does.

Science doesn't need to make you feel unworthy first, before selling you the path to remediation... religion does.

Science is simply the only real way to explain the natural world in a way that actually makes sense... religion has "god did it" as an answer... but it doesn't explain anything.

“Good day to you!”

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#99581 Sep 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>why would brains that are dying think of that? people naturally think of their life and loved ones when they are dying.
i clearly remember the guy that gave me CPR when i was dead but i was told i couldn't, as i had no heartbeat and wasn't breathing. but of course, i do. my brain was still working...this is all "life after death" experiences are, what the brain is thinking as it is dying..or almost dying in these cases...
Ahhh no. Most people that suffer 'death' like experiences aren't being given enough time by the event taking place to allow them, as their dying to consider family, friends, etc and how much they'll miss them and then 'die'.
See, many NDE are said by them to take place in a moment's notice like a sudden car crash, heart failure, physical trauma etc. So many NDE don't dye slowly thinking of loved ones and how they'll miss them etc. If most NDE did happen that way you would have a point.
Plus most NDE that take place, the persons tell of a waking point 'after' the so called 'point of death'. Thereby making a 'blank' time period between unconsciousness and the so called 'mental waking' NDE.
The fact remains that many people are more brainwashed by facts of their origin being of the stars and we have no similar accounts of people having NDE and telling of seeing similar things that they claim they all came from concerning stars and solar systems etc.
Here's the issue. We have science saying if you receive enough input about theism and an after life, you'll stand a chance of seeing it in a NDE.
Yet if you stand a chance to receive enough input of your origin coming from the birth of this planet and the stars, you won't see anything in an NDE of that.
By all reason of logic, if the mind can brainwash itself to believe certain things of it's origin, reason stands we should be having some sort of an equal number of 'angelic' NDE and star birth NDE.

“Good day to you!”

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#99582 Sep 11, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Holy crap that was difficult to read.
BTW... the amount of time the average person spends discussing science in their lifetime is hardly a bump on the scale compared with the amount of time they spend talking about and practicing their religion.
Science doesn't make empty promises of an afterlife where you can re-join those that passed on before you.... religion does.
Science doesn't need to make you feel unworthy first, before selling you the path to remediation... religion does.
Science is simply the only real way to explain the natural world in a way that actually makes sense... religion has "god did it" as an answer... but it doesn't explain anything.
Ahhh no. for the last 60 years kids for 12 solid years are brainwashed to believe their ancestors are monkeys and beyond that the first single cell life to evolve on this earth and beyond that they came from some particle in space, etc. Some go on to be brainwashed about it for another 4 to 8 years. On the other hand, it's a fact that most kids in the last 60 years are being brainwashed less and less by theism with each approaching decade.
Science does make empty promises of an afterlife. It promises what it doesn't know and that's that we have no ongoing existence after death. Theism makes the same empty promise as neither they know if there is an existence after death.
If death prompts many to wish for an 'after life' after death, logic says NDE should be an ultracommon experience for us even as we dream at night, having dreams of dead loved ones. The brain by simple logic and reasoning shouldn't have some mechanism that only allows us to see missed dead ones during a NDE. We should be seeing those missed dead ones in dreams and naps all the time. But we don't.
And if evolution is our true origin, one would think if the mind can be brainwashed to see what isn't true in a NDE, than what's is true our evolution should be manifest to us through our DNA in some form or manner through dreams and or NDE.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99583 Sep 11, 2013
Once more.....they just keep falling from the sky.

"A new study by a team of astrobiologists at Cardiff University claims to have found evidence of extraterrestrial life. The study authors claim to have found algae-like fossil structures in meteorite fragments that impacted in Sri Lanka last December.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/345407#...

Perhaps we are getting our answer to the 'Origin of Life' from the skies

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#99584 Sep 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Once more.....they just keep falling from the sky.
"A new study by a team of astrobiologists at Cardiff University claims to have found evidence of extraterrestrial life. The study authors claim to have found algae-like fossil structures in meteorite fragments that impacted in Sri Lanka last December.
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/345407#...
Perhaps we are getting our answer to the 'Origin of Life' from the skies
Now, that had somehow escaped my home page.

Intersting.

Thank you.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99585 Sep 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
Once more.....they just keep falling from the sky.
"A new study by a team of astrobiologists at Cardiff University claims to have found evidence of extraterrestrial life. The study authors claim to have found algae-like fossil structures in meteorite fragments that impacted in Sri Lanka last December.
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/345407#...
Perhaps we are getting our answer to the 'Origin of Life' from the skies
Let me rephrase that last line.

Perhaps we are getting our answer to the'Origin of Life on Earth' from the skies.
Jeff

Beckley, WV

#99586 Sep 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me rephrase that last line.
Perhaps we are getting our answer to the'Origin of Life on Earth' from the skies.
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/032511/ali...

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