Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201770 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#99449 Sep 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Because, you twit, Neandertalensis never made it to Africa. They were a European/Asian subspecies.
You idiot Neanderthal-type species once roamed Africa, DNA shows.
“We’re calling this a Neanderthal sibling species in Africa,”
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-26...

Read a little idiot and you may learn something besides just spewing things you hear.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#99451 Sep 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
The bottom 2 reports you cite are both write ups about the same story. There is some new disagreement in the community about whether the Neanderthal/human gene/blood mixture was caused by sexual means or common ancestry. It will be fought over for awhile now.
For purposes of the ancestral line of humans to earlier Homo's there is no difference.....the outcome is the same for us.
This IS how science works. Someone puts it out there and someone questions it.
Neither should be published until they find out which is right if that is the case. And I am guessing, being scientists are behind both outcomes, they had peer reviews right?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99452 Sep 7, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither should be published until they find out which is right if that is the case. And I am guessing, being scientists are behind both outcomes, they had peer reviews right?
If they are publishing in legitimate science journals they will be peer reviewed. The thing to remember is that there is always some friction in any science discipline; it is natural as they battle to make their mark. There is also inter-discipline battles to keep ones job in high regard.

Again, the thing to remember is that ALL of the action is revolving around a known fact....that humans DO carry Neanderthal genes/blood. The infighting is going on between academics who want 'their' story to be the final word, and thus bask in the spotlight at least a little bit.

As far as putting the story out there before it is totally decided....who decides what point that is?? Some battles are fought for decades. I'm following the arguments with glee, this is real science after all.

“Wrath”

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Since: Dec 10

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#99453 Sep 7, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You idiot Neanderthal-type species once roamed Africa, DNA shows.
“We’re calling this a Neanderthal sibling species in Africa,”
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-26...
Read a little idiot and you may learn something besides just spewing things you hear.
The hypothesis is Neandertal left Africa over 70,000 years ago to populate Europe. The conflict is some think any interbreeding was done then. But this is not the finding by the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology who sequenced the entire Neandertal genome. It was they who determined we did indeed have a small degree of them in our DNA.

http://archive.archaeology.org/1007/etc/neand...

“Wrath”

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Is revenant

#99454 Sep 7, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
If they are publishing in legitimate science journals they will be peer reviewed. The thing to remember is that there is always some friction in any science discipline; it is natural as they battle to make their mark. There is also inter-discipline battles to keep ones job in high regard.
Again, the thing to remember is that ALL of the action is revolving around a known fact....that humans DO carry Neanderthal genes/blood. The infighting is going on between academics who want 'their' story to be the final word, and thus bask in the spotlight at least a little bit.
As far as putting the story out there before it is totally decided....who decides what point that is?? Some battles are fought for decades. I'm following the arguments with glee, this is real science after all.
I read now the conclusion of why Neandertal didn't survive, despite the extra large brain , to thrive like Homo sapiens.
Was due to their eyes and vision centers of the brain were larger than humans and so large in fact it took up much of the brains capacity. They were probably able to see much better in low light and the dark, but suffered from total reasoning skills because of this. They had better eyes but we could out think them. this would explain why they did not innovate as much as humans when it came to tools and weapons.

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#99455 Sep 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Darwin brought about the theory of evolution in the mid 19th century. Since then atheism has been on the rise greater than any other time in history and still is. Atheists push for evolution. Many scientists are atheist. Coincidence? Maybe!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Early_mo...
Now the question is are more scientists becoming atheist from the evidence or are more atheist becoming scientists to push the theory?
If science controls the validity of evolution then the more atheist scientists that there are only strengthens their claim.
A large body of evidence emerged in the 18th and 19th centuries that the bible could noy be taken literally on many points.

Whether evolution had ever been proposed or not, geology alone made a mockery of biblical creation timescales. As did astronomy. germ theory made a mockery of plagues as demonic. How does a story about running a herd of sheep over a cliff who were controlled by evil demons sound ti you today? What about taking Jesus to a high spot where all the world's kingdoms could be seen?

Its pretty obvious that when parts of the bible are wrong, people are going to question the whole story. Evolution just bears the brunt because its the most in yer face, but every other science tells us the same thing.

At this point you have the option of going insane on the bandwagon of the bible is right no matter what, and science is an athiest conspiracy... or you can wake up. Science debunks the bible, and nakes it possible that not even God exists. Deal with it.
JBH

Vancouver, Canada

#99456 Sep 8, 2013
OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST LOSER OF ALL TIMES.
OBAMA LOOKS VERY BAD AND is being VIEWED POORLY IN THE SHOWING DURING G-20 SUMMIT.
Obama is tremendously being put down.

Obama is already damned and downed in Russia's G-20 Summit.
Obama is already downgraded and burnt in boiling water deep trouble. Obama has fear as a downout loser coming out from G-20.

Pictures show when Putin is looking at the G-20 Summit people in the line up, Obama is very afraid of Putin, by trying to close his eyes by being scared, while some others just laugh, like Germany's Merkel.

Obama could have fainted when Putin keeps the focus on rejecting and disapproving, as if denouncing Obama.

Obama talks as if he does not know what is going on, while communicates in lost term that he knows he is a degrading person not making it all the way.

Obama is totally bruised and feels burnt out in Russia, that he has become as a frightened freak.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#99457 Sep 8, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh hey Curtis. I see you're still using English definitions incorrectly again. And science and logic wrong too.
Your grammar sucks infinite times more then mine because you don't even know what a contradictory statement is "The Dude" and hey back to you.

Don't you think it's time for you to live up to the self-evident absolute truths I presented and stop being in denial. This is not a game I am playing here the dude about letting you guys know that the theory of evolution is flawed.

How about stop attacking my mechanical errors in my grammar and start correcting your own grammar by knowing what a contradictory statement is.

"Revolutionizing Science"

>>>> http://www.natureinforce.org/science-nature-i...

GOOD DAY!
JBH

Vancouver, Canada

#99458 Sep 8, 2013
No one, US or France, by calling the chemical weapons issue AGAIN, can be allowed to strike Syria to kill lots of more people by doing genocide and escalate TO MAKE THE SITUATION WORSENED.
THERE ARE NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA, JUST AS WERE NO SUCH WMD IN IRAQ, as all MATTERS are wrongfulness from US that must be noted now to the Syria matter. US cannot insist on it with fake scheme evidence again, like Iraq case.
It is not possible that US does it again to strike Syria and with troops to create another big disaster and crisis, to find out of chemical weapons. Doesn't US have enough of foolish disasters already?
THIS IS NOT ONLY TO QUESTION ANY OTHERS (especially US since it was wholly wrong about Iraq) with no TRUE FACTS OF EVIDENCE OF SARIN GAS AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DYING FROM THAT, IT IS ALL THE SAME THING SINCE IN THE IRAQ STORY,IT WAS TOO WRONG AND UNTRUE WHICH LED TO THE IRAQ DISASTER.
No one, by calling the chemical weapons issue AGAIN, can say to uphold the stand of not allowing chemical weapons (yet the number dying, of which they make up is small and as untrue and fake too) to strike Syria to kill lots of more people by doing genocide and escalate TO MAKE THE SITUATION WORSENED.
How could US say about chemical weapons with fake and falsehood by calling convincing evidence, by killing 350,000 people in Iraq in the first place, without being charged for such crime?
How could there be any allowance this time of US of doing the same thing again by saying to Syria as US tries to falsify again by using August 21 incident to strike Syria, as US already killed more than 350,000 people for being wrongful as nothing US said was true before?
Yet, chemical weapons usage in the Mideast had not been found as real and true by proven facts WHILE FEW HUNDRED DEATHS WERE RESULTED in Syria FROM UNTRUE scheme (SATELLITE MAPS AND SO ON) as WRONGFULNESS.
THERE IS NOT PERMITTED ANY such case of wrongly calling convincing evidence for satellite maps, medical findings to the saying of 8/21 incident of chemical weapons usage ( by saying chemical weapons were used just by pointing to true facts, with no real truth, as were the same FAKES from satellite map about the previous Iraq case as all untrue.)
THIS IS THE STAND OF SYRIA THAT NO STRIKE BY US OR FRANCE IS TO TAKE PLACE in order not to escalate the situation and to commit atrocity by trying to strike.
US STRIKE TO SYRIA must be IMPOSSIBLE
As conditions and situation worsened in Syria, very poor, ill and disease-infected environment existed, there are doubts about how people died. Many children and others died of hunger or from infested conditions instead. But US and others say they died from sarin gas poisoning.
There is no proof whatsoever in their unreal jargon of putting on the unreal showing, for THAT is NOT THE SUCH CONVINCING EVIDENCE. But this is totally wrong by increasing the wrong direction to tone up the situation as that is not convincing evidence. Whether convincing evidence or not exists as that is not the proof absolutely in the determining, there rules out any saying of the upholding to strike Syria as the determined finding and position.
Accordingly Not just according to learning and examining from the past wrongs, No One would be permitted in the wrongful scheme to wrongly commit genocide of a few hundreds of thousands of people again, in addition to knowing chemical weapons usage in the Mideast had not been found as real and true by proven facts, especially in the killing of a lot of people.
Iraq case ought to CHARGE PENALTIES and impose large punitive damages TO US AS WMD WERE NOT THERE BY doing atrocity of 350,000 people.
THUS US CANNOT MOVE ON SYRIA by coming up with untrue but the false 8/21 incident again (with anything, or whatever, satellite map, or former Syria officer's words,or other things else), to do genocide again to Syria.
Nothing about Syria is ever possible, including the attempt to strike Syria, which is totally impossible.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#99459 Sep 8, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me give you some information and see what you think of it.
Just recently (2011) it was found that most non-African people alive today carry a small percentage of Neanderthal genes/blood in their body.
That means that somewhere in our distant past Homo-sapiens (us) and Homo-Neanderthalensis mated and produced fertile offspring.
Now that fact means that we and the Neanderthals are closely related (share a common ancestor), and that fact opens the door to our being related to the long line of other deceased Homo genus that anthropologists/archaeologists have found all over the old world,such as: Homo-heidelbergensis, Homo-erectus, Homo-habilis, etc.
In other words, science is telling us we ARE related to the great apes, and they now have a second line of proof.
Your evidence is irrelevant because you are sitting here imposing that nature contradict it’s self by saying that the great apes and human beings was once the same, but now we are not because we shared the same common ancestor according to the theory of evolution some time ago.

Let me explain something to you! The great apes and human beings are not the same biological reproductive species today and the universal law of non-contradiction states if us humans and the great apes are not the same biological reproductive species today then we NEVER were the same biological reproductive species, and time is irrelevant to this universal law because it is eternal/infinite and so is the laws that govern nature because it does not contradict it’s self like you are imposing!

>>>> http://www.natureinforce.org/science-nature-i...

To claim that we were the same biological reproductive species in the distant past and not the same now violates the universal law of non-contradiction, because you are stating WE ARE AND WE ARE NOT THE SAME BIOLOGICAL REPRODUCTIVE SPECIES OVER TIME:

NOTE: TIME IS IRRELEVANT TO BECAUSE THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTIOIN HOLDS AN INFINITE STANCE ON IF SOMETHING IS OR IS NOT!

The universal law of non-contradiction never changes when it comes to if something is or is not and this is why the great apes always been the great apes, because imposing the great apes were not the same but they are the same today is a violation of the universal law of non-contradiction.

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#99460 Sep 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Your evidence is irrelevant because you are sitting here imposing that nature contradict it’s self by saying that the great apes and human beings was once the same, but now we are not because we shared the same common ancestor according to the theory of evolution some time ago.
Let me explain something to you! The great apes and human beings are not the same biological reproductive species today and the universal law of non-contradiction states if us humans and the great apes are not the same biological reproductive species today then we NEVER were the same biological reproductive species, and time is irrelevant to this universal law because it is eternal/infinite and so is the laws that govern nature because it does not contradict it’s self like you are imposing!
>>>> http://www.natureinforce.org/science-nature-i...
To claim that we were the same biological reproductive species in the distant past and not the same now violates the universal law of non-contradiction, because you are stating WE ARE AND WE ARE NOT THE SAME BIOLOGICAL REPRODUCTIVE SPECIES OVER TIME:
NOTE: TIME IS IRRELEVANT TO BECAUSE THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTIOIN HOLDS AN INFINITE STANCE ON IF SOMETHING IS OR IS NOT!
The universal law of non-contradiction never changes when it comes to if something is or is not and this is why the great apes always been the great apes, because imposing the great apes were not the same but they are the same today is a violation of the universal law of non-contradiction.
Your over simplistic view of life is fundamentally flawed. You need to read up on the basics of evolution.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evoluti...

You may have noticed that you don't look exactly like your parents and any children you have won't look exactly like you either. It's this variation that evolution works on.

If a species becomes separated into two groups it's possible that over many generations enough genetic changes occur that the two populations can no longer breed. They will then be two species rather than one.
This can be seen in ring species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

Species aren't fixed. They can and do change.

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#99461 Sep 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Your evidence is irrelevant because you are sitting here imposing that nature contradict it’s self by saying that the great apes and human beings was once the same, but now we are not because we shared the same common ancestor according to the theory of evolution some time ago.
Let me explain something to you! The great apes and human beings are not the same biological reproductive species today and the universal law of non-contradiction states if us humans and the great apes are not the same biological reproductive species today then we NEVER were the same biological reproductive species, and time is irrelevant to this universal law because it is eternal/infinite and so is the laws that govern nature because it does not contradict it’s self like you are imposing!
>>>> http://www.natureinforce.org/science-nature-i...
To claim that we were the same biological reproductive species in the distant past and not the same now violates the universal law of non-contradiction, because you are stating WE ARE AND WE ARE NOT THE SAME BIOLOGICAL REPRODUCTIVE SPECIES OVER TIME:
NOTE: TIME IS IRRELEVANT TO BECAUSE THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF NON-CONTRADICTIOIN HOLDS AN INFINITE STANCE ON IF SOMETHING IS OR IS NOT!
The universal law of non-contradiction never changes when it comes to if something is or is not and this is why the great apes always been the great apes, because imposing the great apes were not the same but they are the same today is a violation of the universal law of non-contradiction.
Your same silly law applied to language would "prove" that french, spanish,and italian could never have developed from their common ancestor latin.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

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#99462 Sep 8, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Your over simplistic view of life is fundamentally flawed. You need to read up on the basics of evolution.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evoluti...
You fail to realize this is a grammatical argument and you need to learn what a contradictory statement is because you are supporting that life is the same and not the same as humans over time when time is not a factor.

IT CAN BE ONLY EITHER/OR;

A. GREAT APES ARE THE SAME AS HUMANS BY SHARING THE SAME COMMON ANCESTOR.

Or...

B. GREAT APES ARE NOT THE SAME AS HUMANS.

It’s either A or B that the theory of evolution can choose because the answer cannot be Both A and B because this violates the universal law of non-contradiction.

Time is irrelevant when it comes to the universal law of non-contradiction!

You can’t say humans are and are not great apes and this is what you are doing!

“See how you are?”

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#99463 Sep 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
You fail to realize this is a grammatical argument and you need to learn what a contradictory statement is because you are supporting that life is the same and not the same as humans over time when time is not a factor.
IT CAN BE ONLY EITHER/OR;
A. GREAT APES ARE THE SAME AS HUMANS BY SHARING THE SAME COMMON ANCESTOR.
Or...
B. GREAT APES ARE NOT THE SAME AS HUMANS.
It’s either A or B that the theory of evolution can choose because the answer cannot be Both A and B because this violates the universal law of non-contradiction.
Time is irrelevant when it comes to the universal law of non-contradiction!
You can’t say humans are and are not great apes and this is what you are doing!
Logic has always been you weakness.
By your reasoning tangerines are limes because they are both citrus fruits, or neither one is a citrus fruit because the other one is.

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St. Croix valley

#99464 Sep 8, 2013
you guys are attempting a discussion with a guy who believes he is an extra-terrestial being... any rational discussion would appear to be futile, wouldn't it?

“Wrath”

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Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#99465 Sep 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
you guys are attempting a discussion with a guy who believes he is an extra-terrestial being... any rational discussion would appear to be futile, wouldn't it?
Maybe extra-tarded, but all hope of meaningful correspondence, is lost in a mixture of mythological malarkey.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#99466 Sep 8, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
You fail to realize this is a grammatical argument and you need to learn what a contradictory statement is because you are supporting that life is the same and not the same as humans over time when time is not a factor.
IT CAN BE ONLY EITHER/OR;
A. GREAT APES ARE THE SAME AS HUMANS BY SHARING THE SAME COMMON ANCESTOR.
Or...
B. GREAT APES ARE NOT THE SAME AS HUMANS.
It’s either A or B that the theory of evolution can choose because the answer cannot be Both A and B because this violates the universal law of non-contradiction.
Time is irrelevant when it comes to the universal law of non-contradiction!
You can’t say humans are and are not great apes and this is what you are doing!
You are not your cousin. You are similar to your cousin and share a common ancestor but he is not you.

We are very smart apes.
Other apes are our distant cousins.
Some people don't like this idea but then family is always embarrassing.

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#99467 Sep 8, 2013
JBH wrote:
OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST LOSER OF ALL TIMES.
OBAMA LOOKS VERY BAD AND is being VIEWED POORLY IN THE SHOWING DURING G-20 SUMMIT.
Obama is tremendously being put down.
Obama is already damned and downed in Russia's G-20 Summit.
Obama is already downgraded and burnt in boiling water deep trouble. Obama has fear as a downout loser coming out from G-20.
Pictures show when Putin is looking at the G-20 Summit people in the line up, Obama is very afraid of Putin, by trying to close his eyes by being scared, while some others just laugh, like Germany's Merkel.
Obama could have fainted when Putin keeps the focus on rejecting and disapproving, as if denouncing Obama.
Obama talks as if he does not know what is going on, while communicates in lost term that he knows he is a degrading person not making it all the way.
Obama is totally bruised and feels burnt out in Russia, that he has become as a frightened freak.
Hello, nincompoop. This thread is about how our universe came to be. Take your political narrow-mindedness elsewhere where more of your mental dwarves will salivate with you.

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#99468 Sep 8, 2013
See you in Hell, Beatles and 1970s kids.

Leviticus 19:27
"You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99469 Sep 8, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Hello, nincompoop. This thread is about how our universe came to be. Take your political narrow-mindedness elsewhere where more of your mental dwarves will salivate with you.
in fact, the thread is about evolution, which is a totally different field of study than cosmology. just FYI...

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