Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221438 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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spOko

Oakland, CA

#99138 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Most scientist actually believe life can survive in places other than earth. Many believe there is other life in the universe and some believe there is other life within our solar system. Some think it may be microscopic organisms like bacteria. Some think there may be more than that.
So fact is they would not be looking for other life if they did not think it existed.
Biologically speaking, the human body is nothing but an elaborate vessel optimized for the growth and spread of our microbial inhabitants several hundred microbial species numbering in the hundreds of trillions that call our body home! It turns out that we are only 10 percent human: for every human cell that is intrinsic to our body, there are about 10 resident microbes yuck! Clearly, bacteria are beneficial and essential to our little lives.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#99139 Sep 2, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Where did timelessness come from?
Don't know but it sounds good - no?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99140 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Dude since you like to talk so much and supposedly know so much. The universe is 13.7 billion years old, the earth 4.7 billion years old. What was there and going on for the 9 billion years before earth was formed?
For the previous 8 billion or so it was doing the same thing it's doing now.

Notice that this is a thread about biological evolution as opposed to creationism, and in order for you to avoid dealing with the fact of evolution's validity you have to wind the clock back BILLIONS of years before the evolution of life was even relevant. All so you can go to a nebulous point of knowledge so you can say "HA HA YOU DON'T KNOW THEREFORE GODDIDIT LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLL!!!111!!!1!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99141 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Most scientist actually believe life can survive in places other than earth. Many believe there is other life in the universe and some believe there is other life within our solar system. Some think it may be microscopic organisms like bacteria. Some think there may be more than that.
So fact is they would not be looking for other life if they did not think it existed.
Actually they would still look. Why? Because there's no way to get any real idea of the possibility before we start looking.

It's a very big universe out there...

“It is what it is”

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#99142 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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For the previous 8 billion or so it was doing the same thing it's doing now.
Notice that this is a thread about biological evolution as opposed to creationism, and in order for you to avoid dealing with the fact of evolution's validity you have to wind the clock back BILLIONS of years before the evolution of life was even relevant. All so you can go to a nebulous point of knowledge so you can say "HA HA YOU DON'T KNOW THEREFORE GODDIDIT LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLL!!!111!!!1!
WOW!! "For the previous 8 billion or so it was doing the same thing it's doing now"? That's brilliant! Just brilliant!!

A thread about biological evolution where also the evolutionists say that the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the earth is 4.7 billion years old, life arose from a muddy soup of nothing, and that is where life came from thus we have been evolving since. So it is relevant to evolution because according to most here that is when things started that led up to evolution.

“It is what it is”

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#99143 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually they would still look. Why? Because there's no way to get any real idea of the possibility before we start looking.
It's a very big universe out there...
There is no credible evidence that God exists.
There is no credible evidence that God cannot exist.
There is no credible evidence that life exists elsewhere.
There is no credible evidence that life cannot exist elsewhere.

So far, all our efforts to find any life other than on Earth have been inconclusive. And we must have covered at least 0.0000000001% of the observable universe so far, which keeps expanding. We have a long way to go before we can rule out anything.

Your best argument for evidence against God is a book written by people that would be considered uneducated compared to the knowledge we have now. Just the word of people, who aren't perfect and make mistakes, cannot be considered evidence for or against anything in science.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99144 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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WOW!! "For the previous 8 billion or so it was doing the same thing it's doing now"? That's brilliant! Just brilliant!!
Yes, stars blowing apart and creating nebula and gas clouds, other gas clouds collapsing under gravity and condensing to form more stars and planetary systems and adding to the local galaxies, the universe expanding, you know. The usual.
replaytime wrote:
A thread about biological evolution where also the evolutionists say that the Universe is 13.7 billion years old, the earth is 4.7 billion years old, life arose from a muddy soup of nothing
How is "nothing" muddy?

Oh wait, you been taking straw-man lessons off Bohart?

Aka Nelson Muntz? What's next, puddle goo jokes?
replaytime wrote:
and that is where life came from thus we have been evolving since. So it is relevant to evolution because according to most here that is when things started that led up to evolution.
Actually you're wrong. Since, as I already pointed out, for at least 9.91 BILLION YEARS, none of the universe was even RELEVANT to biological evolution. Evolution starts once abiogenesis occurs. Since it DID occur we have since established that evolution is a reality. Not our problem if you can't deal.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99145 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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There is no credible evidence that God exists.
There is no credible evidence that God cannot exist.
Just as there is no credible evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Cosmic Sheep do not exist.
replaytime wrote:
There is no credible evidence that life exists elsewhere.
Actually there is, in the fact that comets have been known to harbour the building blocks of life.
replaytime wrote:
There is no credible evidence that life cannot exist elsewhere.
So far, all our efforts to find any life other than on Earth have been inconclusive. And we must have covered at least 0.0000000001% of the observable universe so far, which keeps expanding. We have a long way to go before we can rule out anything.
Your best argument for evidence against God is a book written by people that would be considered uneducated compared to the knowledge we have now.
I don't CARE about evidence against God. You can't HAVE evidence against a non-falsifiable non-scientific concept. Atheism is not relevant to me. Simple as that.
replaytime wrote:
Just the word of people, who aren't perfect and make mistakes, cannot be considered evidence for or against anything in science.
Actually the words of scientists can provide evidence FOR science. That is WHY you're posting to me from a computer right now. Science works. Bozos like Urb are here to tell you it doesn't. He doesn't even believe in the geology that provided the plastic for his PC.

“It is what it is”

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#99146 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes, stars blowing apart and creating nebula and gas clouds, other gas clouds collapsing under gravity and condensing to form more stars and planetary systems and adding to the local galaxies, the universe expanding, you know. The usual.
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How is "nothing" muddy?
Oh wait, you been taking straw-man lessons off Bohart?
Aka Nelson Muntz? What's next, puddle goo jokes?
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Actually you're wrong. Since, as I already pointed out, for at least 9.91 BILLION YEARS, none of the universe was even RELEVANT to biological evolution. Evolution starts once abiogenesis occurs. Since it DID occur we have since established that evolution is a reality. Not our problem if you can't deal.
Exactly! Evolution starts once abiogenesis occurs! Which means the rest had to occur as well. Without abiogenesis, no evolution. With out the BBT, no abiogenesis. Without the 9 million years of the universe expanding, no BBT.

Something (A) is relevant to a task (B) if it increases the likelihood of accomplishing the goal (C).

If something needs something to be or happen, that makes them connected thus they are relevant. You are learning.

“It is what it is”

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Since: Mar 13

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#99147 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually the words of scientists can provide evidence FOR science. That is WHY you're posting to me from a computer right now. Science works. Bozos like Urb are here to tell you it doesn't. He doesn't even believe in the geology that provided the plastic for his PC.
Actually I am talking to you from this computer from actions of science that brought the computer about <<tested evidence, then the internet <<tested evidence, etc etc all from actions. Now they all may have started with words and thought but words and thought are not evidence. They can give you a piece of paper with the words on it that this is a computer and you can surf the internet with it but it will be nothing but words on paper.

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#99148 Sep 2, 2013

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99149 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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A young boy enters a barber shop and the barber whispers to his customer, "This is the dumbest kid in the world. Watch this and I prove it to you."
The barber puts a dollar bill in one hand and two quarters in the other, then calls the boy over and asks, "Which do you want, son?" The boy takes the quarters and leaves.
"What did I tell you?" said the barber. "That kid never learns!"
Later, when the customer leaves, he sees the same young boy coming out of the ice cream store. "Hey son, may I ask you a question? Why did you take the quarters instead of the dollar bill?"
The boy licked his ice cream cone and replied, "Because the day I take the dollar the game's over and no more free ice cream!"
Moral. Not all people are a dumb as people think they are. But by acting as if they are, they can have fun at others expense and in reality it shows how dumb they are.
i bet you freakin jumped for joy when you heard this story.

you must win oscars for stupidity then....

if only you would do the rest and ever say anything smart to prove you weren't just going for the ice cream i might possibly believe you, but again, as always, the evidence remains elusive...

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#99150 Sep 2, 2013
spOko wrote:
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Im afraid the jokes on you, life is such a restless journey with the after-life as a contrasting rest. An eternal instant of timelessness ... cheer up and forget about your misery :-)
Ugh huh...but truthfully, I gotten better advice from a fortune cookie.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99151 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Most scientist actually believe life can survive in places other than earth. Many believe there is other life in the universe and some believe there is other life within our solar system. Some think it may be microscopic organisms like bacteria. Some think there may be more than that.
So fact is they would not be looking for other life if they did not think it existed.
yes, all the evidence clearly suggests there should be other life out there.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#99152 Sep 2, 2013
spOko wrote:
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Biologically speaking, the human body is nothing but an elaborate vessel optimized for the growth and spread of our microbial inhabitants several hundred microbial species numbering in the hundreds of trillions that call our body home! It turns out that we are only 10 percent human: for every human cell that is intrinsic to our body, there are about 10 resident microbes yuck! Clearly, bacteria are beneficial and essential to our little lives.
Sorry dude I'm 100% human and feel so sorry 4 u 10% human puss bags .
No worry though , my Katana can remove your 90% rotten crap in a hurry.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99153 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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There is no credible evidence that God exists.
There is no credible evidence that God cannot exist.
There is no credible evidence that life exists elsewhere.
There is no credible evidence that life cannot exist elsewhere.
So far, all our efforts to find any life other than on Earth have been inconclusive. And we must have covered at least 0.0000000001% of the observable universe so far, which keeps expanding. We have a long way to go before we can rule out anything.
Your best argument for evidence against God is a book written by people that would be considered uneducated compared to the knowledge we have now. Just the word of people, who aren't perfect and make mistakes, cannot be considered evidence for or against anything in science.
Actually, the bible is only evidence against that particular god, which the bible proves cannot be true.

the evidence against the other man-made gods is in those god myths and legends.

as to date, not one teensy shred of evidence for any god, gods or goddesses anywhere. yes, we only know of a speck of the universe, but wouldn't a real god be in all of the universe?
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Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#99154 Sep 2, 2013
gotnatas wrote:
<quoted text>^^^You misspelled Iq^^^
Ha ha
Donovan Niwa

Ashburn, VA

#99155 Sep 2, 2013
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“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#99156 Sep 2, 2013
Huh wrote:
I have a serious question. Can not both be write. I mean what if some god or powerfull aliens made the earth and then evolution started.
That's called the 'Deist' position. A 'God' Made the universe, started life and then floated away, never to be seen again.
PCD

Jamaica, NY

#99159 Sep 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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If you can't hate was does not exist,,, how can you poke fun at what does not exist? So in other words you say you don't believe in them, they don't exist but yet you poke fun at something that you believe isn't there. What does your shrink think about that?
Oh come now, this is too easy. If you know (or, if you prefer, believe) Mickey Mouse is a fictional character, but someone insists he not only believes Mickey Mouse is real, but that he obeys Mickey Mouse's every order -- wouldn't you make fun of Mickey Mouse too? Wouldn't that be a more-than-sane response to an obviously insane situation? Clearly the point isn't to abuse a non-existent Mickey Mouse; the point is to disabuse a confused person of the notion that Mickey Mouse exists and is infallible.

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