Evolution vs. Creation

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#98659 Aug 25, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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I think they are saying that new species are being created all the time. The Bible is apparently wrong when it said God was done in six days.
Excellent point. Another possibility I hadn't considered, but it was hard to follow the logic of the original post.

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#98660 Aug 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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No, its not.
And the "explosion" you refer to took over 70 million years including the preceding Ediacaran.
Darn those pesky biologists, paleontologists and geologists and their continual search for evidence.

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#98661 Aug 25, 2013
So bacteria are a "kind"?

How is it possible when the Bible doesn't mention bacteria at all?

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#98662 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Time is part of the universe so no it does not take time for God to do anything, he also knows the beginning just as he knows the end. It all there for him to see.
It's impossible for you to know anything about your god's universe so no you can't claim he doesn't need time.

Why wouldn't time be part of God's universe as well?
God's actions still needs a start and an end which means he needs time.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
"creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?"
Because God always existed. The universe had a beginning 13.7 billion years ago.
It makes no more sense to say God always exists than to say an eternal universe outside of ours exists.
It also makes no more sense for a God/universe to have eternally existed than for one to just pop into existence.
A God just existing without explanation makes no sense.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Time had a starting point.
Nothing can exist with out time
Nothing can happen with out time.
For time to pop into existence requires Time. "Paradox"
If nothing can happen without time then your God can't do anything without time.

How the universe began is still a mystery but invoking a preexisting God is hardly a solution as you just have another mystery and yes God does need to be explained.

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#98663 Aug 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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It's impossible for you to know anything about your god's universe so no you can't claim he doesn't need time.
Why wouldn't time be part of God's universe as well?
God's actions still needs a start and an end which means he needs time.
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It makes no more sense to say God always exists than to say an eternal universe outside of ours exists.
It also makes no more sense for a God/universe to have eternally existed than for one to just pop into existence.
A God just existing without explanation makes no sense.
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If nothing can happen without time then your God can't do anything without time.
How the universe began is still a mystery but invoking a preexisting God is hardly a solution as you just have another mystery and yes God does need to be explained.
His god has a "get out of explanation free card" and...
He was awarded the Russell's tea pot award.
But when all else fails, his irrefutable logic is based on...
Why?..... Because he said so.
With his mentality, it's a wonder man ever made it past 19th century technology.
xianity is EVIL

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#98664 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Because God is outside of the universe and created Time it may be hard for you to grasp that he always existed and will always exist.
god couldnt create time,

god Definitions:
God is defined as The Conscious First Cause -
The First Cause is That which caused Time
Consciousness is that which lets one make a decision.
A Decision is the action of changing ones mind from undecided to decided.
Time is the measure of change.

Conclusions:
Time is required for Change,
A Decision is a Change.
Decisions require Time.
Consciousness can't let one make a decision without Time.
Consciousness requires Time.
God is Conscious.
God requires Time.
God can't be the cause of Time if God requires Time.
God isn't the cause of Time.
God isn't The First Cause.

you FAIL again kristain!

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#98665 Aug 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
With his mentality, it's a wonder man ever made it past 19th century technology.
Evangelicals should not be allowed to use the technologies that the scientists created. They should live like the Amish.
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#98666 Aug 25, 2013
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#98667 Aug 25, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Evangelicals should not be allowed to use the technologies that the scientists created. They should live like the Amish.
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have read! Would that be bigotry? raciest? control? trying to hold people back because of what they believe? Keeping people that believe differently down? communism? discrimination? all of them?

So basically you are saying if people agree with what they say their reward will be technology but if people don't agree with what they say then they should be denied technology.

Reminds me of a creationist saying that live by God's word and go to heaven but if you don't live by it you will go to hell.

That would be like St Mary's Hospital screening patients and saying "Oh! I see here you don't believe in God. For that we cannot treat you so you must go elsewhere and seek help.
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#98668 Aug 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>That's right.

I don't have to be an idiot to see that you are an idiot.

Very good. This was your first correct post here. Congratulations.

Perhaps even you can learn.
So I can then Know that atheist do in fact know God but don't want to abide by his law so they pretend he's not real.
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#98669 Aug 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, the Bible has been shown to be error filled.

It has over four hundred, that is right count them over 400 self contradictions.

It is filled with bad science. Sheep mating in front of sticks will have striped young. Doves blood can cure leprosy. And of course the debunked myths of Genesis.

It has bad history, there was no Exodus. An event of that "Biblical proportion" would have left evidence. There is none.

It is filled with bad morals. If you had a single daughter and a man raped her would it be okay with you if he paid you $500.00 and married your daughter? Would it be okay with your daughter? Sorry, no complaining allowed, the Bible says that will absolve him.
"No, the Bible has been shown to be error filled."

This of course is incorrect.

"It has bad history, there was no Exodus"

Lack of evidence is not proof. You should know this.

" If you had a single daughter and a man raped her would it be okay with you if he paid you $500.00 and married your daughter?"

Different laws for a different times. What this hasn't occurred to you? Really?

Wow talk about blinders.
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#98670 Aug 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, its not.

And the "explosion" you refer to took over 70 million years including the preceding Ediacaran.
It millions of new life forms popping into existence with out any fossil clues as to where they came from.
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#98671 Aug 25, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
So bacteria are a "kind"?

How is it possible when the Bible doesn't mention bacteria at all?
You then must believe that the bible list every kind of life?
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#98672 Aug 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>It's impossible for you to know anything about your god's universe so no you can't claim he doesn't need time.

Why wouldn't time be part of God's universe as well?
God's actions still needs a start and an end which means he needs time.

The Almighty Tzar wrote, "
"creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?"
Because God always existed. The universe had a beginning 13.7 billion years ago.
"

It makes no more sense to say God always exists than to say an eternal universe outside of ours exists.
It also makes no more sense for a God/universe to have eternally existed than for one to just pop into existence.
A God just existing without explanation makes no sense.

The Almighty Tzar wrote, "
Time had a starting point.
Nothing can exist with out time
Nothing can happen with out time.
For time to pop into existence requires Time. "Paradox"
"

If nothing can happen without time then your God can't do anything without time.

How the universe began is still a mystery but invoking a preexisting God is hardly a solution as you just have another mystery and yes God does need to be explained.
"It's impossible for you to know anything about your god's universe so no you can't claim he doesn't need time."

Why? There is only one universe our God does not exists in it.
I can look around touch, smell, and hear all kinds of thing in the universe.

God works outside of time and all the law of physics that he created.

Sad that you can't figure that out.
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#98673 Aug 25, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>god couldnt create time,

god Definitions:
God is defined as The Conscious First Cause -
The First Cause is That which caused Time
Consciousness is that which lets one make a decision.
A Decision is the action of changing ones mind from undecided to decided.
Time is the measure of change.

Conclusions:
Time is required for Change,
A Decision is a Change.
Decisions require Time.
Consciousness can't let one make a decision without Time.
Consciousness requires Time.
God is Conscious.
God requires Time.
God can't be the cause of Time if God requires Time.
God isn't the cause of Time.
God isn't The First Cause.

you FAIL again kristain!
God is not limited by rules you think he has to follow.

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#98674 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have read! Would that be bigotry? raciest? control? trying to hold people back because of what they believe? Keeping people that believe differently down? communism? discrimination? all of them?
So basically you are saying if people agree with what they say their reward will be technology but if people don't agree with what they say then they should be denied technology.
Reminds me of a creationist saying that live by God's word and go to heaven but if you don't live by it you will go to hell.
That would be like St Mary's Hospital screening patients and saying "Oh! I see here you don't believe in God. For that we cannot treat you so you must go elsewhere and seek help.
Glad you liked my post and thank you for responding.

There are Christians who agree that they should not have technology or even modern medical care. Are they dumb? Are they held back? Well, of course they are but that is what religious freedom is all about. When evangelicals come up with new theologies, they can feel free to withhold them from me.

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#98675 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I am curious too. The oldest living tree I could find is 5,062 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_t...
After doing a little more looking, I found this;

Oldest living trees;

Continuously standing trees - Methuselah (Pinus longaeva), Age; One member of this species, at 5063 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_longaeva

Trees with cloning ability - Pando (Populus tremuloides), Age; 80,000 years or older.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populus_tremuloi...

http://www.treenames.net/types/oldest_trees.h...

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#98676 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
" If you had a single daughter and a man raped her would it be okay with you if he paid you $500.00 and married your daughter?"
Different laws for a different times. What this hasn't occurred to you? Really?
Then why follow anything the Bible says if you can throw out that part? Why not throw it all out then?

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#98677 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"It's impossible for you to know anything about your god's universe so no you can't claim he doesn't need time."
Why? There is only one universe our God does not exists in it.
I can look around touch, smell, and hear all kinds of thing in the universe.
God works outside of time and all the law of physics that he created.
Sad that you can't figure that out.
You're still making unknowable claims about your god.

If he can just exist without cause then so can some quirk of physics that sets of a chain reaction that results in the Big Bang.

Invoking God solves nothing, it just results in another mystery that needs explaining.

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#98678 Aug 25, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Glad you liked my post and thank you for responding.
There are Christians who agree that they should not have technology or even modern medical care. Are they dumb? Are they held back? Well, of course they are but that is what religious freedom is all about. When evangelicals come up with new theologies, they can feel free to withhold them from me.
It is called choice!

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