Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Links please and the prison population is easy, they are a minority, thus there will be less of them. How many aborigines are in out prisons? Yep not many if any.
No problem. It started with this study that showed a prison population of 0.2% atheists when the claimed percentage was 2%:

http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

This is a bit on the questionable side. More recently there is this study:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

It shows an even lower percentage of atheists in prison when now we know that they are roughly 5% of the population.

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No problem. It started with this study that showed a prison population of 0.2% atheists when the claimed percentage was 2%:
http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
This is a bit on the questionable side. More recently there is this study:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
It shows an even lower percentage of atheists in prison when now we know that they are roughly 5% of the population.
I already said the prison population is easy, they are a minority, thus there will be less of them. How many aborigines are in our prisons? Yep not many if any. Links on the rest of your claims of 'they are the most honest of minorities' and 'more atheists are in jobs where honesty is demanded than Christians or other theists'.

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No problem. It started with this study that showed a prison population of 0.2% atheists when the claimed percentage was 2%:
http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
This is a bit on the questionable side. More recently there is this study:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
It shows an even lower percentage of atheists in prison when now we know that they are roughly 5% of the population.
Sub what percent of the US is Atheist?

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I already said the prison population is easy, they are a minority, thus there will be less of them. How many aborigines are in our prisons? Yep not many if any. Links on the rest of your claims of 'they are the most honest of minorities' and 'more atheists are in jobs where honesty is demanded than Christians or other theists'.
No fool. You misunderstand. The population of atheists in the U.S. is roughly 5% of the total. Therefore if there was a proportional population of them in the prison they would be 5% of the prisoners. They are a much smaller number than that.

Now atheists usually are better educated and come from better homes, so that would explain that to some extent. But underrepresented at a rate of greater than 10 times? That is really saying something.

Scientists have a high proportion of atheists. If a scientist is caught lying professionally his career is over. You can look up the statistics of atheist scientists for yourself.

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Sub what percent of the US is Atheist?
The latest and most accurate study says at least 5%:

http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/201...

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The latest and most accurate study says at least 5%:
http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/201...
The population is the US is 313,914,040. Atheist make up according to studies 5%-15% of the population in the US. Let’s use 10% as a medium. Now 10% of 313,914,040 = 31,391,404 now of that 2% are in prison = 627,828. The prison population was roughly 14 million in 2012 which would make Atheist stand at 4.48% prison population.(627,828 is 4.48% of 14,&#8201;000,&#8201;0 00).

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The population is the US is 313,914,040. Atheist make up according to studies 5%-15% of the population in the US. Let’s use 10% as a medium. Now 10% of 313,914,040 = 31,391,404 now of that 2% are in prison = 627,828. The prison population was roughly 14 million in 2012 which would make Atheist stand at 4.48% prison population.(627,828 is 4.48% of 14,000,000).

Sorry I don't know where all that other crap got in my post there at the last of the other one.

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I already said the prison population is easy, they are a minority, thus there will be less of them. How many aborigines are in our prisons? Yep not many if any. Links on the rest of your claims of 'they are the most honest of minorities' and 'more atheists are in jobs where honesty is demanded than Christians or other theists'.
Native Americans make up roughly 1% of our population and roughly 1% of our prison population.

The fact remains that claims that Christians are more moral than atheists are simply wishful thinking on the part of Christians.

And fears by Christians that atheists are rampaging rape machines are merely projection of those Christians internal desires.

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The population is the US is 313,914,040. Atheist make up according to studies 5%-15% of the population in the US. Let’s use 10% as a medium. Now 10% of 313,914,040 = 31,391,404 now of that 2% are in prison = 627,828. The prison population was roughly 14 million in 2012 which would make Atheist stand at 4.48% prison population.(627,828 is 4.48% of 14,&#8201;000,&#8201;0 00).
Your math is ridiculous.

Where did you get the 2% figure from? I can assure you that it is wrong. It seems that you do not know how to work with statistics.

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Did you not read the articles that I linked that said atheists are 0.2% of the prison population?

I don't know where you got your seriously retarded figures from replaytime, you did not get them from my articles.

At the end of 2011 the U.S. prison population was:

1,571,013

0.2% of that would be about 3,000.

Your math seriously sucks.

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Your math is ridiculous.
Where did you get the 2% figure from? I can assure you that it is wrong. It seems that you do not know how to work with statistics.
Uhm,,, your post of "No problem. It started with this study that showed a prison population of 0.2% atheists when the claimed percentage was 2%".

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

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"When 70% of the world does not believe in your God, I think that puts the onus on the Christians to prove his/her beliefs."
What? You don't really believe this?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
Yup 2% not 70% and normally your much more accurate what the hell are you smoking tonight? Can I get some?
Just guessing as I wrote. There are about 3 billion people in the world that follow 1 of about 2 or 3 thousand different interpretations of Christianity. There are over 7 billion humans on earth....I would guess that they don't believe in your God any more then you believe in theirs.

So the break is about 60-40 with 60 percent of the earths population atheist about your God.....my bad.

We are getting off target here. there is no need to argue the small crap....I'm saying your God does not exist, and the proof is the Bible is full of proven lies and mistakes.

A book that is the inspired word of God would not have ANY lies or discrepancies, and it IS full of them. Your only defense is to deny the facts. That's all you creationists have--denial

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Did you not read the articles that I linked that said atheists are 0.2% of the prison population?
I don't know where you got your seriously retarded figures from replaytime, you did not get them from my articles.
At the end of 2011 the U.S. prison population was:
1,571,013
0.2% of that would be about 3,000.
Your math seriously sucks.
You are right. It said 1.4 million and I misread it as 14 million.

And now I am getting too tired to do all the math again lol.

But I made the mistake and I will admit it.

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Uhm,,, your post of "No problem. It started with this study that showed a prison population of 0.2% atheists when the claimed percentage was 2%".
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
That was a prison population of 0.2% atheists while the population as a whole was 2% atheists.

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You are right. It said 1.4 million and I misread it as 14 million.
And now I am getting too tired to do all the math again lol.
But I made the mistake and I will admit it.
Yes it is very late.

See you tomorrow.

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Aug 24, 2013
 
"There are over 7 billion humans on earth....I would guess that they don't believe in your God any more then you believe in theirs."

Meant to say 4 billion out of 7 billion are not followers of Christianity.

To many mistakes today....I'm going to bed.:-)

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One thing we all should be able to agree on is this:

Much can be seen but we can't see everything. Much can be explained but we can’t explain everything. As much as we understand there is more we don’t understand. That is life for we will never see, be able to explain or understand everything. At least not in our lifetime!

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Is fire alive?
Is stupidity a virtue?

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If God is supernatural and science examines the natural, then science (as it currently stands) cannot be used to prove or disprove God.
How can you measure a miracle? How can doctors or science explain healing that should not have been? How can science disprove the presence of God that so many say they have felt? What scientific tools do we have to prove or disprove any of these events?
If we think God can be proven by a man made system, then we clearly have a warped (and very human) sense of who God is (or would be) and the God we are looking for is not one who made man, but one that man made.
Additionally, how can you prove God doesn't exist when you don't know what His properties are to test? What kind of test can you run against an element that you think doesn't exist?
Even a supposed "supernatural" has an effect that is measurable, just not understood. You don't even have an "effect" to claim is supernatural, just a belief. Beliefs are not supernatural, they are superstitious.

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But science is pretty clear that the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
I know you feel now that you must retreat to an always existing universe because of the time paradox.
But science isn't following your lead.
The figure is as it stands, the universe appears to have been born 13.7 bya, but this is not written in stone like a prophesy.
That figure can change, and figures do change in science as new information and knowledge becomes available.
Just like the word multiverse that you struggle with.
Please grace us with some more of your pig headed stupidity now.

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