Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98210 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Hey Sub I see a lot of arguing about evolution and abiogenesis being different. As by definition they are but doesn't both
abiogenesis and evolution have in their theory that all life came from a last universal ancestor that lived 3.5 to 3.8 billion years ago? Don't they support each other for one to be the other had to be as well?
Does the theory of gravity explain the origin of mass? If not then the theory of gravity is in serious poop, man. TEACH INTELLIGENT FALLING!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98211 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You do realize that most of the arguments on here are just not about evolution, they are about people think evolutionists are attacking God by saying "Why do you believe in a lying God" or "God is fake because the bible has flaws" or "life has no creator therefore God cannot exist" so on and so on. There is a possibility of God and that he created life. I don't think you all want to but if you all laid of the Fake God stuff, you would get through them more. As I have said several times I think God created life with the ability to evolve to adapt/become better/change to survive as things branched out to live in different environments and as our earth changes.
Who cares?

Can you provide us with *evidence* of a non-fake God?

Can you present us with *evidence* that your non-fake God does not or cannot lie?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98212 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You can no more prove He is not as I can prove He is.
Just as you can no more disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98213 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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btw way you are the time expert right? I have not seen you address what I said about time the other day. Lets hear your input on this.
Time has no time, no beginning, and no end. Time is a perspective of existence.
The true concept of space and time is understandable but the main concept of time is not i.e its general description. We cannot say both must come as pairs, although both are used together in a more realistic description of time. In physics, space-time is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single continuum. Only mathematically are they part of one thing. Physically they are quite different.
Uh, sorry, but cosmologists disagree with you. Quite profoundly I might add. Go seek Polymath, he will explain.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98214 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Dude, something is really wrong with you.
Time for your meds???
Help him out DOGEN!!!!
No, that was DanfromSmithville, I'm the Dude. If you can't tell the difference then I'd better tell Dogen that you've missed YOUR meds.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98215 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Again to bend space-time (which is different than time itself) you have to have mass, weight and gravity. Come back when you learn.
http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/gravi...
Sorry, linky does not support your claims. In fact it supports the contention that time and space are inextricably linked.

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Since: Nov 12

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#98216 Aug 20, 2013
Hey I have a question for everyone to ponder. I know the answer and it is not a supernatural one.

How did all the fish get into the lakes?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98217 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Space time is referring to outer space time as we know it.
Spacetime refers to our entire current universal expansion, which includes planet Earth. It's been known since at least Einstein that there is no one objective single reference to "time".
replaytime wrote:
Now time would pass even slower on the surface of a Jupiter or a planet the size of Jupiter,
Jupiter or a Jupiter, right...
replaytime wrote:
which we consider outer space.
Actually most of us consider to be a gas giant.

A gas giant which is NOT currently occupying our present position in the spacetime continuum.
replaytime wrote:
But if Jupiter was inhabitable
It is.
replaytime wrote:
then time would still be slower there
Hence habitability is irrelevant.
replaytime wrote:
but would it would not be considered outer space to its inhabitants.
It's not considered outer space to anyone sane.
replaytime wrote:
So again time is physically different than space.
Non-sequitor, does not follow. But then you are claiming that time is not actually physical at all, but rather an abstract concept completely separate from our spacetime continuum which we exist in. This is a common mistake amongst those who didn't quite grasp what Einstein was saying (bear in mind that he's since been superceded by quantum physics which only adds more technicality while little altering the original point).
replaytime wrote:
Only mathematical are they part of one thing.
Wrong. This is why you're quite confused. Math in itself IS a purely abstract thing. It is a tool, which can be applied to reality. And when applied correctly it measures reality. And when we measure that space and time are one and the same it's because they ARE. Just as some people can't quite grasp the concept of "nothing" when referring to "beyond" the boundaries of our universe, you appear to not be able to grasp the concept of no time beyond the boundaries of our universe.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98218 Aug 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Five random questions on fossils.
1) Life’s Unexpected Explosion
Forty major animal groups appear out of nowhere at the bottom of the fossil record. Where did this “Cambrian Explosion” come from?
2) Those Not-So-Dry Bones
If dinosaurs died millions of years ago, how can their fossils still contain soft tissue?
3) Without a Leg to Stand On
Birds are vastly different from dinosaurs, even in the way they walk. How could one come from the other?
4) Amazingly Preserved Leaves
When leaves die, they shrivel up and crumble. So why is the fossil record full of well-preserved, flat leaves?
5) Tracks But No Trilobites
Why do we find lots of trilobite tracks in lower rock layers, but we don’t find any trilobite fossils until higher up?
Icr.org
Because your website is stupid and dishonest.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98219 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Blah, blah, blah
Hateful little winch
Irony meter go boom.

Go cry, Muggins.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98220 Aug 20, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Finally , here is the puddle sludge faith described in all it's grandeur! You are a product of slime and random chance.
It's astonishing that a sentient being would believe this,...and it is a belief, totally backed by faith, nothing more.
Yeah, just like all the other times you failed to argue your case.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98221 Aug 20, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Hey Ticky,...all you need is the first teensy, weensy shred of evidence that might even possibly suggest that maybe life started on it's own on a warm rock.
Got any yet? Nope, cause no human in history has found it.
But that doesn't stop you from believing it does it? Because your's is a faith based belief. Faith, you know like Osama Bin Ladin's and Billy Graham's,..just like them you have faith in the unseen!
Since I've already demonstrated numerous times over why you're lying are you ever gonna get around to addressing any of the arguments presented the first few hundred times? Or you just gonna keep whining and throwing out ad-homs?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98222 Aug 20, 2013
Jay-Gee1992 wrote:
what do young Creationists have to say about Carbon dating?
Reality isn't real therefore Goddidit with magic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98223 Aug 20, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
Hey I have a question for everyone to ponder. I know the answer and it is not a supernatural one.
How did all the fish get into the lakes?
They swam.

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Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#98224 Aug 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
They swam.
Nope. I'm sure you have lakes in the UK. Don't you wonder how the fish got there?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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Since: Dec 10

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#98225 Aug 20, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Nope. I'm sure you have lakes in the UK. Don't you wonder how the fish got there?
Depends if they are indigenous, introduced or invasive and some are stocked from elsewhere. Some are hybrids engineered at hatchery's.
They say the snakehead was brought by Chinese to here to wreak havoc
it can devastate the fish population here.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/0...

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Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#98226 Aug 20, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Depends if they are indigenous, introduced or invasive and some are stocked from elsewhere. Some are hybrids engineered at hatchery's.
They say the snakehead was brought by Chinese to here to wreak havoc
it can devastate the fish population here.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/0...
It has nothing to do with humans.

“If It Is Possible”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

It Will Likely Happen

#98227 Aug 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Spacetime refers to our entire current universal expansion, which includes planet Earth. It's been known since at least Einstein that there is no one objective single reference to "time".
<quoted text>
Jupiter or a Jupiter, right...
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Actually most of us consider to be a gas giant.
A gas giant which is NOT currently occupying our present position in the spacetime continuum.
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It is.
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Hence habitability is irrelevant.
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It's not considered outer space to anyone sane.
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Non-sequitor, does not follow. But then you are claiming that time is not actually physical at all, but rather an abstract concept completely separate from our spacetime continuum which we exist in. This is a common mistake amongst those who didn't quite grasp what Einstein was saying (bear in mind that he's since been superceded by quantum physics which only adds more technicality while little altering the original point).
<quoted text>
Wrong. This is why you're quite confused. Math in itself IS a purely abstract thing. It is a tool, which can be applied to reality. And when applied correctly it measures reality. And when we measure that space and time are one and the same it's because they ARE. Just as some people can't quite grasp the concept of "nothing" when referring to "beyond" the boundaries of our universe, you appear to not be able to grasp the concept of no time beyond the boundaries of our universe.
In physics, spacetime (also spacetime, space time or spacetime continuum) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single continuum.Spacetime is usually interpreted with space as existing in three dimensions and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort from the spatial dimensions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

You think Jupiter is habitable? A gas planet with a toxic atmosphere. What do you think does or could inhabit it?

You don't think Jupiter is in outer space? Well then you must not be sane,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#98228 Aug 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Ah! There's your problem.
You are assuming that bohart is a sentient being.
Boy O' boy is that a very wrong assumption. He can't seem to understand the basics.
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Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#98229 Aug 20, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Boolocks. It's been happening since life began, and is still happening.

All species are transitional, and that's demonstrable.
Nope

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