Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173962 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#98197 Aug 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hitler was christian manipulating christian ideals and christian belief to achieve his ends.
As for Obama, the reason he is currently in the lofty position he occupies is because the majority (MAJORITY) of US citizens believed he could do a better job than his opposition and voted for him in a free and popular vote - TWICE.
This voting for a majority candidate is called DEMOCRACY, if you want to live in a democratic country then this is the system you adhere too. Your alternative is somewhere that employs less democratic methods like North Korea for example.
Tell me, do you think that your vote at the presidential primary truly counts or do you think that the person with the most money and power backing them wins?

Do you believe that some states primary and caucus votes are manipulated?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#98198 Aug 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hitler was christian manipulating christian ideals and christian belief to achieve his ends.
As for Obama, the reason he is currently in the lofty position he occupies is because the majority (MAJORITY) of US citizens believed he could do a better job than his opposition and voted for him in a free and popular vote - TWICE.
This voting for a majority candidate is called DEMOCRACY, if you want to live in a democratic country then this is the system you adhere too. Your alternative is somewhere that employs less democratic methods like North Korea for example.
Do you think that when politicians RE-DISTRICT the state, that they are doing this for 'our' benefit or 'theirs'?

Do we get to vote on re-districting?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#98199 Aug 20, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You are a great example of the basic fundamentalist on this thread.
1. You don't understand science. Not a clue.
2. You fear science.
3. You don't have knowledge or understanding of the Bible. No clue.
4. You don't have an opinion except what you have gleaned from some anti-science website.
5. You can't explain what you do post. You often are unaware that the arguments of others that you embrace are old, outdated and widely refuted.
6. An underlying political agenda that creeps out increasingly as you post.
7. Your posts often take the form of apologetic rants, laced with misunderstanding, arrogance and unfounded righteous superiority mixed with political conspiracy theories.
I'm sure I have missed some, but I think that covers some of the main observations.
Blah, blah, blah

Hateful little winch

Level 2

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#98200 Aug 20, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
"We've done the paternity tests, we've traced back the genealogy, and we’re doing all kinds of in-depth testing of the human species. People are apes and the descendants of apes, who were the descendants of rat-like primates, who were the children of reptiles, who were the spawn of amphibians, who were the terrestrial progeny of fish, who came from worms, who were assembled from single-celled microorganisms, who were the products of chemistry. Your daddy was a film of chemical slime on a Hadean rock, and he didn't care about you—he was only obeying the laws of thermodynamics.
You are you not because of some grand design but because of chance, contingency, and selection.--P.Z. Myers
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/So-Alone.aspx
Finally , here is the puddle sludge faith described in all it's grandeur! You are a product of slime and random chance.

It's astonishing that a sentient being would believe this,...and it is a belief, totally backed by faith, nothing more.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Newport, OR

#98201 Aug 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hitler was christian manipulating christian ideals and christian belief to achieve his ends.
As for Obama, the reason he is currently in the lofty position he occupies is because the majority (MAJORITY) of US citizens believed he could do a better job than his opposition and voted for him in a free and popular vote - TWICE.
This voting for a majority candidate is called DEMOCRACY, if you want to live in a democratic country then this is the system you adhere too. Your alternative is somewhere that employs less democratic methods like North Korea for example.
OK, defining what "Christians" are using Hitler as an example is getting really old to me.

Jesus defines what His followers are; "If you love me you will follow my commands" "My command is this, that you love one another." and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." "Do not judge". From the book of John. Murdering innocent millions = not a "Christian". Thank you.

Level 2

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#98202 Aug 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and all you need is that first teensy, weensy shred of evidence that might even possibly suggest that maybe some god, gods or goddesses, could have maybe, possibly have existed...
do you have that teensy weensy shred yet? cus no human in the history of mankind has found it yet...
until you get that shred, the discussion you started can go no further, rationally...
get back to us when you find it...
Hey Ticky,...all you need is the first teensy, weensy shred of evidence that might even possibly suggest that maybe life started on it's own on a warm rock.

Got any yet? Nope, cause no human in history has found it.

But that doesn't stop you from believing it does it? Because your's is a faith based belief. Faith, you know like Osama Bin Ladin's and Billy Graham's,..just like them you have faith in the unseen!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#98204 Aug 20, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Finally , here is the puddle sludge faith described in all it's grandeur! You are a product of slime and random chance.
It's astonishing that a sentient being would believe this,...and it is a belief, totally backed by faith, nothing more.
Much more. It is backed by evidence. It's astonishing that a sentient being is incapable of understanding this simple concept.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98205 Aug 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Much more. It is backed by evidence. It's astonishing that a sentient being is incapable of understanding this simple concept.
Ah! There's your problem.

You are assuming that bohart is a sentient being.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98206 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Yes, and Hitler was bright and manipulative too. Doesn't make either one of them worthy of being a leader.
Hitler. Theist. Not atheist. Sorry.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98207 Aug 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Yup I know.
Time is a paradox in the Big Bang.
Nothing can exist without time
Nothing can change without time
Nothing can move without time
Time started with the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.
Time is required for time to pop into existence. Time cannot be uncaused because it has to have been the first thing to come into existence.
Time cannot exist using the Big Bang theory.
It's a paradox.
Time had to be created.
The act of creation would need time also under your rules, but you'll let that slide because your god is always allowed special exemptions from any rules you make.

Time is not required to exist before time starts as that would be a paradox - your claim.

Also science is fine with the existence of time before our universe, in which case time did not start with our universe. All depends on what occurred at the point of singularity. You say invisible wizard. Maybe.

It used evolution though.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98208 Aug 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I simply tried to bring to light the racist views of the father of evolution.
If you want to remain eyes wide shut go ahead.
Don't worry, I addressed them on page 1:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Of course you can pretend to ignore the HIGHLY racist position of Genesis though, where it started with one pair of "perfect" humans (mostly depicted as white, what, with being made in GODS IMAGE and all) and then it allegedly went all downhill from there.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98209 Aug 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
"What is your evidence that "macro evolution" is a bust."
The simple fact that it has never happened and never will.
And you're sure to get around to addressing it sometime in the next millenia.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98210 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Hey Sub I see a lot of arguing about evolution and abiogenesis being different. As by definition they are but doesn't both
abiogenesis and evolution have in their theory that all life came from a last universal ancestor that lived 3.5 to 3.8 billion years ago? Don't they support each other for one to be the other had to be as well?
Does the theory of gravity explain the origin of mass? If not then the theory of gravity is in serious poop, man. TEACH INTELLIGENT FALLING!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98211 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You do realize that most of the arguments on here are just not about evolution, they are about people think evolutionists are attacking God by saying "Why do you believe in a lying God" or "God is fake because the bible has flaws" or "life has no creator therefore God cannot exist" so on and so on. There is a possibility of God and that he created life. I don't think you all want to but if you all laid of the Fake God stuff, you would get through them more. As I have said several times I think God created life with the ability to evolve to adapt/become better/change to survive as things branched out to live in different environments and as our earth changes.
Who cares?

Can you provide us with *evidence* of a non-fake God?

Can you present us with *evidence* that your non-fake God does not or cannot lie?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98212 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You can no more prove He is not as I can prove He is.
Just as you can no more disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98213 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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btw way you are the time expert right? I have not seen you address what I said about time the other day. Lets hear your input on this.
Time has no time, no beginning, and no end. Time is a perspective of existence.
The true concept of space and time is understandable but the main concept of time is not i.e its general description. We cannot say both must come as pairs, although both are used together in a more realistic description of time. In physics, space-time is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single continuum. Only mathematically are they part of one thing. Physically they are quite different.
Uh, sorry, but cosmologists disagree with you. Quite profoundly I might add. Go seek Polymath, he will explain.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98214 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Dude, something is really wrong with you.
Time for your meds???
Help him out DOGEN!!!!
No, that was DanfromSmithville, I'm the Dude. If you can't tell the difference then I'd better tell Dogen that you've missed YOUR meds.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98215 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Again to bend space-time (which is different than time itself) you have to have mass, weight and gravity. Come back when you learn.
http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/gravi...
Sorry, linky does not support your claims. In fact it supports the contention that time and space are inextricably linked.

Level 2

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#98216 Aug 20, 2013
Hey I have a question for everyone to ponder. I know the answer and it is not a supernatural one.

How did all the fish get into the lakes?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#98217 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Space time is referring to outer space time as we know it.
Spacetime refers to our entire current universal expansion, which includes planet Earth. It's been known since at least Einstein that there is no one objective single reference to "time".
replaytime wrote:
Now time would pass even slower on the surface of a Jupiter or a planet the size of Jupiter,
Jupiter or a Jupiter, right...
replaytime wrote:
which we consider outer space.
Actually most of us consider to be a gas giant.

A gas giant which is NOT currently occupying our present position in the spacetime continuum.
replaytime wrote:
But if Jupiter was inhabitable
It is.
replaytime wrote:
then time would still be slower there
Hence habitability is irrelevant.
replaytime wrote:
but would it would not be considered outer space to its inhabitants.
It's not considered outer space to anyone sane.
replaytime wrote:
So again time is physically different than space.
Non-sequitor, does not follow. But then you are claiming that time is not actually physical at all, but rather an abstract concept completely separate from our spacetime continuum which we exist in. This is a common mistake amongst those who didn't quite grasp what Einstein was saying (bear in mind that he's since been superceded by quantum physics which only adds more technicality while little altering the original point).
replaytime wrote:
Only mathematical are they part of one thing.
Wrong. This is why you're quite confused. Math in itself IS a purely abstract thing. It is a tool, which can be applied to reality. And when applied correctly it measures reality. And when we measure that space and time are one and the same it's because they ARE. Just as some people can't quite grasp the concept of "nothing" when referring to "beyond" the boundaries of our universe, you appear to not be able to grasp the concept of no time beyond the boundaries of our universe.

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