Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#98067 Aug 18, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I tend not to notice the young ones for obvious reasons but I couldn't help noticing a young lady in her Chivas de Guadalujara jersey at Mass this morning. I wonder if she knows.
http://www.soccerzonevegas.com/media/catalog/...
I noticed them between the ages of 18 and up, but I don't really have much in common with those much below 30. I still enjoy the view.

She probably knows. It seems to be a badge of honor these days.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98068 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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That may be, however that was not an answer to the question proposed to you.
So, I am left with the following assumptions,
Either you have not studied Newton or Kant and may get exposed in a lack of understanding, thus your desire to change how the argument is framed...
or,
You are only interested in attacking your opposition and their viewpoint...
You want to provide anything more for me to consider?
I have not studied Kant. I have studied Newton's physics. He did much more than that, oops, I have also learned some calculus which he discovered too.

And I did not try to change how the argument, and actually it was not an argument it was a question. anyway how the question was formed. I tried to answer it the best I could.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98069 Aug 18, 2013
So EXPERT, why ask such an inane question?

It has nothing to do with evolution. Since neither of the two had any real knowledge of the Big Bang it was a rather pointless question.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98070 Aug 18, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Hey Sub, what is all this I hear about dinosaur collagen and soft tissue? Can you explain or point me towards some scientific links about it?
RED FLAG WARNING!

Before you go jumping on the subwayzone to never never land...notice the source he provided you was over a decade and a half old...Hmmm?

Now a lesson in deductive reasoning...

You have an individual that is looking to justify their position and is not aware of a popular review that took place over 13yrs ago..so ask yourself why would this person not be aware?

May it reveal youth and inexperience? Ignorance?

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#98071 Aug 18, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Hey Sub, what is all this I hear about dinosaur collagen and soft tissue? Can you explain or point me towards some scientific links about it?
Try a google search using this term: annurev-earth-final-published. It will take you to a pdf file of Mary Higby Schweitzer's annual review article Soft Tissue Preservation in Terrestrial Mesozoic Vertebrates. This should get you started. I am reading it now myself.

Sorry for the round about way, but I couldn't get a direct link for some reason. Must be something I am not doing right with Research Gate.

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#98072 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
And an article from a professional journal:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/316/5822/27...
Thanks. Here I thought it was all a bunch of horse hockey.

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Since: Nov 12

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#98073 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
RED FLAG WARNING!
Before you go jumping on the subwayzone to never never land...notice the source he provided you was over a decade and a half old...Hmmm?
Now a lesson in deductive reasoning...
You have an individual that is looking to justify their position and is not aware of a popular review that took place over 13yrs ago..so ask yourself why would this person not be aware?
May it reveal youth and inexperience? Ignorance?
Yeah, you gotta watch out for that National Geographic. They'll print any old BS.

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#98074 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
RED FLAG WARNING!
Before you go jumping on the subwayzone to never never land...notice the source he provided you was over a decade and a half old...Hmmm?
Now a lesson in deductive reasoning...
You have an individual that is looking to justify their position and is not aware of a popular review that took place over 13yrs ago..so ask yourself why would this person not be aware?
May it reveal youth and inexperience? Ignorance?
What are you babbling about?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98075 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
RED FLAG WARNING!
Before you go jumping on the subwayzone to never never land...notice the source he provided you was over a decade and a half old...Hmmm?
Now a lesson in deductive reasoning...
You have an individual that is looking to justify their position and is not aware of a popular review that took place over 13yrs ago..so ask yourself why would this person not be aware?
May it reveal youth and inexperience? Ignorance?
It is an old story.

If you have a better more recent one please supply it.

Please use valid sources.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98076 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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RED FLAG WARNING!
Before you go jumping on the subwayzone to never never land...notice the source he provided you was over a decade and a half old...Hmmm?
Now a lesson in deductive reasoning...
You have an individual that is looking to justify their position and is not aware of a popular review that took place over 13yrs ago..so ask yourself why would this person not be aware?
May it reveal youth and inexperience? Ignorance?
By the way. How good are your math skills.

What is 13 - 5 ?

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#98077 Aug 18, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you gotta watch out for that National Geographic. They'll print any old BS.
Not the National Geographic. They are definitely a pro-science biased publication. Are you sure you can trust them?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98078 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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By the way. How good are your math skills.
What is 13 - 5 ?
Well, I know what the half-life of DNA is, that may be a cause of concern?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98079 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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Well, I know what the half-life of DNA is, that may be a cause of concern?
No you don't.

You may think you do, but that is only one study I am betting.

So no answer on what 13 - 5 is yet.

Do you think it is anywhere near 15?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98080 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I have not studied Kant. I have studied Newton's physics. He did much more than that, oops, I have also learned some calculus which he discovered too.
And I did not try to change how the argument, and actually it was not an argument it was a question. anyway how the question was formed. I tried to answer it the best I could.
Fair enough, my apologies if I am coming across as an adversary, I was just looking for an honest exchange of views.

I know from some previous post you show interest in a variety of fields, so I know you are not just a parrot and have views to offer...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98081 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No you don't.
You may think you do, but that is only one study I am betting.
So no answer on what 13 - 5 is yet.
Do you think it is anywhere near 15?
Do you have an opposing position? I would love to hear it?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98082 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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Fair enough, my apologies if I am coming across as an adversary, I was just looking for an honest exchange of views.
I know from some previous post you show interest in a variety of fields, so I know you are not just a parrot and have views to offer...
I try to be honest and will admit when I have not studied something.

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#98083 Aug 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>As do I. I like archæology.
I didn't know he worked in archaeology as well. I think this thread benefits from the people with varied expertise. Different perspectives and knowledge are always welcome. The fundies never bring anything useful from a science perspective, or often any perspective.

“I be me, and you are...”

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Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#98084 Aug 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Tinka, how very nice to hear from you again. How are you?
How am I...

That is a good question and honestly I do not know...
Seems every minute something different years days and then ????

Hopefully I will have myself enough together to recognize the feel of an all calm and still being able to enjoy the natural highs that always have been present...

I am awaiting the dead is what I think they are around the corner and soon will arrive...

How are you?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98085 Aug 18, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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Do you have an opposing position? I would love to hear it?
No. There has been only one study that I am aware of.

I would not bet that the whole genome deteriorates at the same rate from one study only. There is a reason that scientists repeat experiments and add variables to the original experiment. From the one experiment done they have a half life of 521 years which means there would be no DNA in a 65 million year old fossil. Now they have not found actual DNA in the fossil. What they have found is that chemicals that react with DNA in a specific fashion will react with the material from the T-Rex fossil. This is strongly indicative of DNA, but it is not finding actual DNA. Going back to the experiment they are from samples up to several thousand years old. I just looked it up again, I have read it before, anyway they had bones up to 7,000 years old. That means that in the oldest bones only 1/8000 of the original DNA was there. In a dinosaur fossil we should have none.

This is a bit out of my specialty too, but I do not see those who are experts in this science going "woe is me, we are undone" so I am not too worried.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98086 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No. There has been only one study that I am aware of.
I would not bet that the whole genome deteriorates at the same rate from one study only. There is a reason that scientists repeat experiments and add variables to the original experiment. From the one experiment done they have a half life of 521 years which means there would be no DNA in a 65 million year old fossil. Now they have not found actual DNA in the fossil. What they have found is that chemicals that react with DNA in a specific fashion will react with the material from the T-Rex fossil. This is strongly indicative of DNA, but it is not finding actual DNA. Going back to the experiment they are from samples up to several thousand years old. I just looked it up again, I have read it before, anyway they had bones up to 7,000 years old. That means that in the oldest bones only 1/8000 of the original DNA was there. In a dinosaur fossil we should have none.
This is a bit out of my specialty too, but I do not see those who are experts in this science going "woe is me, we are undone" so I am not too worried.
Now this is what I am talking about. You like information and are willing to put in an effort to research. I also like to be armed with knowledge that is why I try to find out where they are getting the information they use.

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