Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168955 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#97949 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You know your an idiot right?
You really believe God could not make a star and have its light shine out lightyears ahead of it?
He spoke everything into existence Including light. But deep down you know this.
A god that has been proven to be a myth time and time again? no the false idol you worship created nothing. your cult created that false idol and you worship like the idiot you continue to prove yourself to be...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#97950 Aug 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The only credibility he has is from paying his utility bills on time.
you think his mom's basement has a separate utility hookup?

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#97951 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
You know your an idiot right?
It's "you're", as in "you are".
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#97952 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution does not claim that. That is a mischaracterization of what evolution says. In fact once you define a clade all of the offspring, no matter how many generations down the road, still belong to the same clade.

The problem is that I see creationists always refer to "kinds" without ever properly defining them.

I was a bit trickier earlier and exploited Tzar's ignorance. I asked if bacteria were a "kind". He said yes. Since there is more diversity in bacteria than all of plant, animals, fungi, and I forgot protozoa, that means all of the eukaryotes can be said to be one kind.

In fact from an intelligent bacteria's point of view all animals would look pretty much the same. A creationist one would have no problem with animals evolving since there would be no change of kind. They would still be animals.
"Evolution does not claim that"

Evolution claims all life came from the first single cell life form. And with billions and billions of lucky mutations a lizard came forth a few more billions of mutations all for the good (what a lucky run of luck we had) atheist came forth and walked across Africa and met man and man offered his new monkey friend a beer and said "took you long enough"
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#97953 Aug 18, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>I note you don't actually quote what Darwin actually said.

I wonder why?
I did there are a few quotes keep looking.
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#97954 Aug 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>Humanity began as black, dumbass.
You know this how?

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Elmont, Long Island NY

#97955 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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LOL
Think for one minute. Evolution believes that all life came from one cell. What about that genetic diversity?
Adam and Eve had perfect DNA intelligently designed to populate the world.
who said life originated from one cell? Multiple cells probably started around the same time, in many pools of goo.

then over BILLIONS OF YEARS, different species developed. recent advances in micro-biology show that all life on Earth have similarities in their DNA make up
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#97956 Aug 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>The "God faked everything to fool us" is one of my favorite stupid fundie arguments.
No it Satan that is fooling you.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#97957 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Nope.
bacteria is one kind.
Dogs, wolves, etc. is one kind
Cats is a kind
Trees are one kind
Grass is one kind
Makes no difference how diverse bacteria is they are one kind.
But here a new updated category for you.
Evolutionist are of the ape kind
The rest of humanity are of the man kind.
This has been changed to reflect your dying aspiration to be a monkey.
Nope if you call bacteria one kind then almost all other life is one kind. There is as much diversity in bacteria as there is in all other life on the Earth.

So when we show how bacteria have evolved that is the sort of major "macroevolution" that you are talking about. We have seen in bacteria the same sort of evolution that you want to see that separates man from other apes.

Of course your problem is that you are not consistent. Your side cheats whenever one of its demands are met.

Why do creatards always lie? Because if they were honest they would accept the theory of evolution.

You are and always will be an idiot when it comes to science.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#97958 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"Evolution does not claim that"
Evolution claims all life came from the first single cell life form. And with billions and billions of lucky mutations a lizard came forth a few more billions of mutations all for the good (what a lucky run of luck we had) atheist came forth and walked across Africa and met man and man offered his new monkey friend a beer and said "took you long enough"
no, not even close to correct.

again, you clearly show your ignorance of the very ideas you are attempting to debunk...

another clear example of you trying to think for yourself with embarrassing results...

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Elmont, Long Island NY

#97959 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Your science is real good in this department.
"We have found that this is the oldest known star with a well-determined age," said Howard Bond of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, Pa., and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, Md.
The star could be as old as 14.5 billion years (plus or minus 0.8 billion years), which at first glance would make it older than the universe's calculated age of about 13.8 billion years, an obvious dilemma.
http://www.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-...

Unlike religious dogma, science can advance its calculations with new knowledge.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#97960 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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No it Satan that is fooling you.
More proven false myths...

perhaps it was the Tooth fairy that is fooling them?

your cult lied to you...again...

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Everett, WA

#97961 Aug 18, 2013
Tzar, your problem is that you cannot define "kind" whenever creationists put a proper definition on the term evolution has shown to be true.

For example I thought, and quite reasonably, that genetic variation was a very good basis to use to define the word "kind". Since so called "macroevolution" would be limited by the amount of diversity possible in a kind then if all bacteria are a kind, and you said they were, then all other life is a kind.

So I am still waiting working definition of a kind. Just pointing to two animals and declaring them to be different kinds is not good enough. Science needs something measurable. Something quantifiable.

We CAN trace the evolution from Australopithecus on.

The links from what any creationist would say is not man onward has been found.

There is a reason that your side loses battles in court and our side wins. Our beliefs are based upon evidence. All of the evidence supports us. Your side has none. Court battles are won with evidence.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#97962 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I did there are a few quotes keep looking.
No, you quoted what someone else said he said not what he actually said.

Do you have the actual quotes?
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#97963 Aug 18, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>who said life originated from one cell? Multiple cells probably started around the same time, in many pools of goo.

then over BILLIONS OF YEARS, different species developed. recent advances in micro-biology show that all life on Earth have similarities in their DNA make up
Or a common creator.
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#97964 Aug 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Nope if you call bacteria one kind then almost all other life is one kind. There is as much diversity in bacteria as there is in all other life on the Earth.

So when we show how bacteria have evolved that is the sort of major "macroevolution" that you are talking about. We have seen in bacteria the same sort of evolution that you want to see that separates man from other apes.

Of course your problem is that you are not consistent. Your side cheats whenever one of its demands are met.

Why do creatards always lie? Because if they were honest they would accept the theory of evolution.

You are and always will be an idiot when it comes to science.
Sorry sub you don't make those rules.

bacteria is one kind.
Dogs, wolves, etc. is one kind
Cats is a kind
Trees are one kind
Grass is one kind
Makes no difference how diverse bacteria is they are one kind.

But here a new updated category for you.

Evolutionist are of the ape kind
The rest of humanity are of the man kind.

This has been changed to reflect your dying aspiration to be a monkey.
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#97965 Aug 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, not even close to correct.

again, you clearly show your ignorance of the very ideas you are attempting to debunk...

another clear example of you trying to think for yourself with embarrassing results...
Ok tick lets hear from the high and mighty were did evolution start?

Where did time come from?
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#97966 Aug 18, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-...

Unlike religious dogma, science can advance its calculations with new knowledge.

Why should I believe science when they give a ridiculous statement like "the universe start with the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago"

So cocky to give such a date when they have nothing to back it up. Oh they claim they can trace the radiation back to that point and all so that's when it had to happen.

Then ooopposey they find stars a billion years older.

Oh we'll just rework all the figures to include our new findings.

That's science for ya always ready to cover their ass with new figures.

So why are they right this time?
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#97967 Aug 18, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>No, you quoted what someone else said he said not what he actually said.

Do you have the actual quotes?
Yes and I have quote Darwin him self.

Look around.....

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#97968 Aug 18, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"Evolution does not claim that"
Evolution claims all life came from the first single cell life form. And with billions and billions of lucky mutations a lizard came forth a few more billions of mutations all for the good (what a lucky run of luck we had) atheist came forth and walked across Africa and met man and man offered his new monkey friend a beer and said "took you long enough"
Its not a core requirement of evolution. For example, evolution could conceivably have tracked back to 1, 5, or 50 original life-forms, and there would still be evolution.

However, given the commonality of the basic building blocks, its considered far more likely that life originated once and diversified from there, rather than that multiple proto-cells developing with coincidentally the same machinery.

As for your arbitrary distinction of "kinds", its pretty absurd. You say dogs are one kind, cats another. Yet the fossil record shows convergence of these two "kinds" as we go back to the miacids around 25 million years ago. That is the story everywhere we look. Humans converging with apes, birds converging with dinosaurs, mammals converging with reptiles, amphibians converging with lobe finned fish.

Exactly as predicted by evolution and explainable by evolution, but not predicted or explainable by your creation nonsense.

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