Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221446 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#97837 Aug 17, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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http://evolutionfairytale.com/articles_debate...
Whenever an evolutionist presents his line of evidence for evolution in the fossil record, he will without fail, virtually every time, present a vertebrate transitional fossil. Why is this important? The evolutionist is failing to mention to his audience that vertebrates constitute less than .01% of the entire fossil record, and of these fossils, most species are represented by a bone or less!1 What about the other 99.99% of the fossil record? That’s the other key piece of information the evolutionist is withholding from you. Complex invertebrates make up the vast majority of this portion of the record, roughly 95%. We have cataloged literally millions of different species of these very complex creatures, and we have entire fossils, not just pieces here and there. In this rich and virtually complete portion of the fossil record, there is not a single sign of evolution, whatsoever!!!2
If evolution were true, the fossil record should be littered with countless examples showing many different transitions leading up to the millions of species of these complex creatures. YET WE DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE EXAMPLE! NOT EVEN ONE! The remarkable completeness of this vast portion of the fossil record thwarts evolutionists from cooking up "transitionals" because speculation is not so easy when you have entire specimens. There is not the wild guesswork inherent when dealing with willy-nilly fragments of a tooth here, a leg bone there.
In Their Own Words
Even if we ignore the evolutionist’s sleight-of-hand described above, their own words reveal convincingly that the fossil record does not support evolution. Consider the following predictions (or expectations) of the fossil record if evolution were true:
1) Gradualism
2) Simple to complex
3) Clear-cut lineages
4) Identifiable common ancestors
Now consider the predictions of the fossil record if special creation is true:
1) Sudden appearance
2) Fully formed
3) Stasis
All of the predictions for evolution have failed miserably, while all of the predictions for creation have been overwhelmingly borne out by the evidence.
Found some more opinion on line that you don't understand, but can cut and paste. Who would have guessed.

There are examples of transitional series in the fossil record. This has been shown numerous times and is well supported by the evidence.

Your post shows the best that creationist can offer in the face of evidence. LIE and LIE and LIE again.

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#97838 Aug 17, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Oh STFU. You lecturing us on evolution is the height of arrogance. You know damn little about the subject except what you read on your moronic fundie sites.
But thanks for solving my problem. You are pitiful.
Is it that only the stupidest fundamentalist post on here or is it that they are all this stupid and some of them post on here? Functionally, it amounts to the same thing so it probably doesn't matter.

I wish some of them had at least a little understanding of science, but then we probably wouldn't have anything to argue if they did.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#97839 Aug 17, 2013
“Because God has revealed himself “through nature” there is no need for scientific evidence that Creation is real”.
Ken Ham, Creation Museum

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#97840 Aug 17, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Oh STFU. You lecturing us on evolution is the height of arrogance. You know damn little about the subject except what you read on your moronic fundie sites.
But thanks for solving my problem. You are pitiful.
Past pitiful and well into pathetic.

Pitiful = Inadequate.
Pathetic = Miserably inadequate.

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#97841 Aug 17, 2013
spocko wrote:
“Because God has revealed himself “through nature” there is no need for scientific evidence that Creation is real”.
Ken Ham, Creation Museum
Who is Kanned Ham?

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#97842 Aug 17, 2013
"Four out of Five Americans Know Earth Revolves Around Sun"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gaug...

The theory that the Earth revolves around the sun has gained popularity in the last few centuries. I predict that soon evolution will gain as much acceptance.

The Cult is losing members.

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#97845 Aug 17, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You're making Jim Ryan look intelligent.
I would rather try and bring your puddle of goo to life, than to try and make you look intelligent,...now THAT would be a miracle.

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#97846 Aug 17, 2013
This looks pretty cool.

If the Moon were replaced with some of our planets as close as the moon.

Day version:


Night version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Orlando

#97847 Aug 17, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, that Kanned Ham. I thought he meant Hormel.
Is that the same Ken Ham who is in prison for tax fraud?

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#97848 Aug 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I would rather try and bring your puddle of goo to life, than to try and make you look intelligent,...now THAT would be a miracle.
Uh-huh. Keep telling yourself that, peckerhead.

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#97849 Aug 17, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Is that the same Ken Ham who is in prison for tax fraud?
I think that is another canned ham, but with the same substance and value (or lack of).

It seems that the evolution of a fundamentalist movement is driven by financial selection.

SBT
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#97850 Aug 17, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>A typo is an error. You repeated the same error throughout you post. I agree it is an error, but not that it is a typographical one.
You are just another spammer with nothing substantive to report. If you were serious about any sort of debate on the facts, you wouldn't post it like you were the Fonz. For sure dude.
It doesn't change the fact that you make assertions that it shows recent existence and fail to post evidence to support that it is.
Where is your evidence that supports the soft tissue form "monasaur"? Saying it is so isn't science "Mr. Science".
I do mean accepted scientific evidence regarding your post and not a double posted link to the T-rex story, or AIG, or any creationist website.
I see you are drowning and I would throw you a rope, but you wouldn't accept it because it is made of fibers from a plant that evolved.
Your overreactions are glaring, changing the subject isn't working.

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Orlando

#97851 Aug 17, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I think that is another canned ham, but with the same substance and value (or lack of).

It seems that the evolution of a fundamentalist movement is driven by financial selection.
My mistake. You're correct.

I was thinking of Hammy's buddy, Kent Hovind.
Just wondering

Oakland, CA

#97852 Aug 17, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, that Kanned Ham. I thought he meant Hormel.
In either case - the Ham appears to be half cooked ...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97853 Aug 17, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Pssss...... Gillette
Science got the date [of the "Cambrian Explosion] wrong too.
And even more shockingly, the only people who know this are a handful of American Protestant fundamentalist Christians who know nothing about science! Praise Cheeses! It's a miracle!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97854 Aug 17, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Well, looks like there is more to it than talkorigins is telling you.
http://www.ksl.com/...
http://www.ksl.com/...
Now look at this, we have a Monasaur with soft tissue and dinner in his mouth in the high basin of South Dakota,(buried in turbidites), Plesiosaurs found the high deserts(4000 ft+)level in Oregon and Montana,(buried in turbidites), all dated around 70-80 MY. But wait a minute, when we find Mastodons in the same condition,(buried in turbidites), excavated in the same manner, in the same condition, evolutionists date them recent. But why? Both have soft parts? But wait! we have the geologic column to help us here, lucky us, Mastodons can't be that old!, they were not even around waaaaayyy back then, or were they? And of course we have to stick to this line of Dogma for the Jurassic, or the Column would be dead wrong, and that would be a publicity nightmare. Fossils are doing evolution in.
Now tell us how to bury a Monasaur while he's alive having dinner, "here nice little monasaur, lay your little head down and go nighty while you hav din din, and we will through some nice mud on you to sleep under, just like what happened to all your little Plesiosaur playmates today." That are 50ft long, sure.
No, it was the same world-wide catastrophe that got them all. Its over 4000 ft up there and there are Plesiosaurs found world-wide buried the same way. This is telling a story.
The Talkorigins link is discussing the same find as the one you link to.

The tissue was only "soft" after it was chemically rehydrated.

It's interesting that neither Mary Schweitzer nor any other scientist or scientific organization thinks the so-called "soft tissue findings" in ANY WAY refute the long history of evolution.

As Talkorigins says so pointedly, if you Jesus Freaks are right, then virtually EVERY fossil find would have flesh and blood dangling on it, etc. yet it's been found once out of many millions of fossil finds.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97855 Aug 17, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Here you go sucking zone! notice how your fellow idiot says exactly what you denied, quadrillions of shit coming together at the same time ,ha,ha,ha,. You damn fools will believe in anything
You hillbilly MORON...

Your claim was that only one single cell gave birth to all life on earth.

My response is that, in all likelihood, when life came together chemically in the oceans of the early earth, it was in countless trillions of different molecules at the same time.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97856 Aug 17, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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The evolutionist is failing to mention to his audience that vertebrates constitute less than .01% of the entire fossil record, and of these fossils, most species are represented by a bone or less!1 What about the other 99.99% of the fossil record? That’s the other key piece of information the evolutionist is withholding from you. Complex invertebrates make up the vast majority of this portion of the record, roughly 95%. We have cataloged literally millions of different species of these very complex creatures, and we have entire fossils, not just pieces here and there. In this rich and virtually complete portion of the fossil record, there is not a single sign of evolution, whatsoever!!!
The lies come thinck and fast form you Jesus Freaks, don't they?

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC211.h...

Creationsit Claim CC211:

No fossils have been found transitional between invertebrates and vertebrates.

Response:

1. There are Cambrian fossils transitional between vertebrate and invertebrate:
• Pikaia, an early invertebrate chordate. It was at first interpreted as a segmented worm until a reanalysis showed it had a notochord.
• Yunnanozoon, an early chordate.
• Haikouella, a chordate similar to Yunnanozoon, but with additional traits, such as a heart and a relatively larger brain (Chen et al. 1999).
• Conodont animals had bony teeth, but the rest of their body was soft. They also had a notochord (Briggs et al. 1983; Sansom et al. 1992).
• Cathaymyrus diadexus, the oldest known chordate (535 million years old; Shu et al. 1996).
• Myllokunmingia and Haikouichthys, two early vertebrates that still lack a clear head and bony skeletons and teeth. They differ from earlier invertebrate chordates in having a zigzag arrangement of segmented muscles, and their gill arrangement is more complex than a simple slit (Monastersky 1999).

2. There are living invertebrate chordates (Branchiostoma [Amphioxus], urochordates [tunicates]) and living basal near-vertebrates (hagfish, lampreys) that show plausible intermediate forms.

Links:

Monastersky, Richard, 1999. Waking up to the dawn of vertebrates. Science News 156: 292. http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc99/11_6_99/f...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97857 Aug 17, 2013
As a longtime Topix poster, a retired professional geologist named FossilBob used to say (about these Creationist "science websites"):

"They know that you don't know, and they know that you won't check."

And so the Christian lies, distortions, creative "omissions" etc., get passed on over and over again by sheeple like you guys.

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#97858 Aug 17, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Your overreactions are glaring, changing the subject isn't working.
In other words, you have nothing.

Why don't you just make some more shit up.

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