Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 204762 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#96495 Aug 8, 2013
Think about it wrote:
From starting with just one simple single cell, what was/is the source of the digital coding in DNA that makes up life as we know it? Where did that source/information come from?
DNA is not a "digital code".

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#96496 Aug 8, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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well, it would be difficult because the particles would be unstable.
What if we can split a heavier element and create hydrogen out of that?
It is easy to make hydrogen.

Do you mean anti-hydrogen?

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#96497 Aug 8, 2013
Think about it wrote:
From starting with just one simple single cell, what was/is the source of the digital coding in DNA that makes up life as we know it? Where did that source/information come from?
We don't know, but there is no evidence to suggest it the work of a designer. That we do not know is not sufficient evidence to conclude a designer. Research is being done to determine this. The thing is the DNA or more likely RNA does not have to be able to code for people, or sparrows, or fruit flies or rhinoceruses or dingos or kangaroos, etc. It would have to be sufficient to code for very simple life. We are not proficient in our techniques and technology yet to create the proper experiments to show this yet, but work is being conducted.
Think about it

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#96498 Aug 8, 2013
Some say that our consciousness is separate from our physical body. So does that mean when one’s physical body dies that they still exist?
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#96499 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no. Here we go again with all the name dropping and unsubstantiated dogma and pseudoscience.

Evolution is not a belief system. You don't even have the right lies, let alone the right questions. You avoid my questions everytime I ask one and twist like a fish on the line hoping to get loose.

I will have to look up this glaciologist you mention. Is he dead too and unable to refute what you say?
"Evolution is not a belief system."

Yes it is.

http://m.youtube.com/watch... #
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#96500 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood ld.
Yes there is

Rapid Burial

Fossils all over the world show evidence of rapid burial. Many fossils, such as fossilized jellyfish,a show by the details of their soft, fleshy portionsb that they were buried rapidly, before they could decay.(Normally, dead animals and plants quickly decompose.) The presence of fossilized remains of many other animals, buried in mass graves and lying in twisted and contorted positions, suggests violent and rapid burials over large areas.c These observations, plus the occurrence of compressed fossils and fossils that cut across two or more layers of sedimentary rock, are strong evidence that the sediments encasing these fossils were deposited rapidly—not over hundreds of millions of years. Furthermore, almost all sediments that formed today’s rocks were sorted by water. The worldwide fossil record is, therefore, evidence of rapid death and burial of animal and plant life by a worldwide, catastrophic flood. The fossil record is not evidence of slow change.d [See "A Whale of a Tale" on page 133.]

Figure 7: Fossil of Fish Swallowing Fish. Burial and fossilization must have been quite rapid to have preserved a fish in the act of swallowing another fish. Thousands of such fossils have been found.

Figure 8: Fish in Long Fish. In the belly of the above 14-foot-long fish is a smaller fish, presumably the big fish’s breakfast. Because digestion is rapid, fossilization must have been even more so.

Figure 9: Fish in Curved Fish. The curved back shows that this fish died under stress.

Figure 10: Dragonfly Wing. This delicate, 1 1/2-foot-long wing must have been buried rapidly and evenly to preserve its details. Imagine the size of the entire dragonfly!

a . Thousands of jellyfish, many bigger than a dinner plate, are found in at least seven different horizons of coarse-grained, abrasive sandstone in Wisconsin.[See James W. Hagadorn et al.,“Stranded on a Late Cambrian Shoreline: Medusae from Central Wisconsin,” Geology, Vol. 30, February 2002, pp. 147–150.]

Coarse grains slowly covering a jellyfish would allow atmospheric oxygen to migrate in and produce rapid decay. Burial in clay or mud would better shield an organism from decay. If coarse-grain sand buried these jellyfish in a storm, turbulence and abrasion by the sand grains would tear and destroy the jellyfish. To understand how thousands of jellyfish were gently collected and preserved in coarse-grained sand, see pages 186–198.

Charles Darwin recognized the problem of finding fossilized soft-bodied organisms, such as jellyfish. He wrote:

No organism wholly soft can be preserved. Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 330.

Again, a prediction of evolution is seen to be wrong.

b . Donald G. Mikulic et al.,“A Silurian Soft-Bodied Biota,” Science, Vol. 228, 10 May 1985, pp. 715–717.

u “... preconditions for the preservation of soft-bodied faunas: rapid burial of fossils in undisturbed sediment; deposition in an environment free from the usual agents of immediate destruction—primarily oxygen and other promoters of decay, and the full range of organisms, from bacteria to large scavengers, that quickly reduce most carcasses to oblivion in nearly all earthly environments; and minimal disruption by the later ravages of heat, pressure, fracturing, and erosion.... But the very conditions that promote preservation also decree that few organisms, if any, make their natural homes in such places.” Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life(New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1989), pp. 61–62.

c . Presse Grayloise,“Very Like a Whale,” The Illustrated London News, 1856, p. 116.

d . Harold G. Coffin, Origin By Design (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Assn., 1983), pp. 30–40.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
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#96501 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood at 4300 years ago or anytime in the last 200,000 years. Not only no evidence, but nothing even supporting the possibility of a flood under the conditions described in Genesis. This does not refute the existence of God or gods and does not change my belief at all. I thought it was a nice little story even when I was a child.
More evidence:


Evidence for a Global Flood

by Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed

Email: [email protected] m

Webpage: www.unmaskingevolution.com

[Free to print and distribute. Copy must be in full.]

In the past, scientists largely dismissed Noah's flood as a myth, or a local flood, as it was believed that there could not have been enough rainwater to cover the world as high as Mount Everest. Recent discoveries in plate tectonics and crustal physics have shown that a much flatter Earth could have easily been flooded, with the resultant volcanic and geologic activity altering the land surface. These details have demolished the main argument against a global flood, but the tag of "local flood" has remained because atheists do not want any evidence that supports the existence of an Almighty, Creator/God.



Here are over 100 evidences in support of a global flood, rather than a local one.

FROM LOGIC.........[12 reasons]

(1) For rain to fall for forty uninterrupted days on one localized area is currently close to impossible.

(2) A rainbow appeared for the first time after the flood, indicating a radical change in atmospheric conditions as a consequence of a cataclysmic event.

(3) The waters remained for over a year. This would not occur in a local flood.

(4) To be higher than the highest mountains, the flood could not have been local.

(5) To cover the mountains continually for 9 months, the flood could not have been local.

(6) The purpose of the flood was to destroy all human beings. This could only refer to a worldwide flood.

(7) If the flood was local, people living elsewhere in the world would have escaped.

(8) The enormous size of the ark (equivalent to the capacity of 500 railroad freight carriages) would hold much more than local species of animals.

(9) The purpose of the ark to "keep seed [species - NKJ] alive upon the face of the earth" is only rational if the flood was global.

(10) Noah and his family could have migrated to a locality away from the local area to be flooded. There would have been no need to spend 120 years building an ark.

(11) Many of the animals in the flooding area could have easily migrated to escape the deluge if the flood was local. There would have been no need to build an ark to provide them with a safe haven.

(12) If God made a promise based on a lie (ie. that the flood being local rather than global), then he can't be trusted to save us from our sins.

http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm
Think about it

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#96502 Aug 8, 2013
Not one change of species into another is on record. We cannot prove that a single species has ever changed (into another)- Darwin
Darwin C.R., letter to G. Bentham, May 22 1863, in Darwin F., ed., "The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin," [1898], Basic Books: New York NY, Vol. II., 1959, reprint, p.210. Parentheses in original
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#96503 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood
Continued......

FROM SCIENCE.......[45 reasons]

(13) There is a worldwide tradition among natives of a global flood.

(14) According to current archaeological evidence, civilization appears to have originated in the Ararat/Babylon region.

(15) The genealogical records of many of the European kings can be traced back to Japheth, son of Noah.

(16) An analysis of population growth statistics confirms that there was zero population at the estimated time of the end of the flood. This indicates the global demise of humans by Noah's flood.

(17) Human palaeontological evidence exists even in the earliest geologic 'ages'(eg human footprints in Cambrian, Carboniferous, and Cretaceous rocks). If the layers of rock were laid down by a global flood and then interpreted as evolutionary long-ages, human remains and artefacts would appear to be in such positions.

(18) The most ancient human artefacts date to the post-flood era. This indicates that the earlier hardware could have been buried beyond reach by a huge flood.

(19) Calculations have shown that there is nearly the same amount of organic material present today, worldwide, as there would have been if all the fossils were still alive (Morris p:685). This indicates the demise of all living things in a single global event.

(20) Paleontological evidence indicates that the early earth had a warm/humid climate. This is consistent with the destruction of the old atmosphere by the processes of a global flood as described in Genesis.

(21) The glacial period started very quickly. This would require a cataclysmic event such as a global flood to trigger such a rapid climatic change.

(22) Similar geologic formations exist in rocks of all ages (eg rifts, folds, faults, thrusts, etc.). These can just as easily be explained as being created in the same cataclysmic global event.

(23) Studies show that much of the world's folded beds of sediment have no compression fractures, indicating that they were contorted while they were still wet and soft. For this to occur on a global scale, and on sediment thousands of metres thick, it would have required a catastrophic global flood.

(24) Rocks of different geologic 'ages' have similar physical features indicating that they could have been created by a single worldwide event - such as a global flood.

(25) There is an absence of physical evidence that indicates a time change between rocks of 'successive ages'. Sedimentary rock layers worldwide appear to have been laid down very quickly, as by a global flood.

(26) Globally, there is an almost complete absence of any evidence of animal and plant root activity within the tiny layers of sediment. Slowly deposited layers should show this activity, flood deposits wouldn't.

(27) All types of rocks (eg limestone, shale, granite, etc) occur in all geologic 'ages'. This indicates a common formation on a global scale - the situation that would have been created by the mixing of sediment in a global flood.

(28) Many geological processes have a recent geological date. If the long-age evolutionary time scale is ignored, these processes would have occurred in the very recent past - ie. as a result of the flood cataclysm.

(29) Recent volcanic rocks are distributed widely.(see last point above)

(30) The uplift of the major mountain ranges are relatively young, based on evolutionary chronology. If the long-age evolutionary time scale is ignored, these processes would have occurred in the very recent past - ie as a result of the flood cataclysm.

http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm

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#96504 Aug 8, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"Evolution is not a belief system."
Yes it is.
http://m.youtube.com/watch... #
It is. What have you got to cut and paste to support that assertion? Can you explain your cut and paste for the group?

Oh, I see you want to show me a video. What is it about? I hope it isn't your bris.
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#96505 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood d.
Continued..........

(31) There is a lack of correlation between radiometric 'ages' and assumed palaeontological 'ages'(Morris p:686). A global flood could easily create an illusion of geologic 'ages'. The consequent conflict between dating methods confirms the illusion.

(32) Fossil 'graveyards' are found worldwide, and in rocks of all 'ages'. Only a catastrophic global flood could achieve this.

(33) The burial of fossil deposits worldwide had to have occurred in a catastrophic event. Only massive flooding could bury in such a fashion.

(34) Marine fossils can be found on the crests of mountains. Apart from mountain uplifting, this can also be explained as the marine animals being washed there and then buried. A global flood could do this.

(35) There is a worldwide distribution of most of the fossil types, indicating transportation on a global scale by a global flood.

(36) Fossils from different 'ages' are often found mixed. This indicates a huge mixing of animal bones that is not consistent with a local flood.

(37) Worldwide, fossils from different 'ages' are often found in the wrong order. This indicates a global mixing of fossils as a consequence of a global flood.

(38) Supposed evolutionary fossil sequences often parallel the ecological zonation that occurs today (Morris p:686). If a global flood mixed organisms from different areas, it would create the illusion of a fossil sequence over time.

(39) Dinosaurs and many other prehistoric creatures died out suddenly. A catastrophe such as a global flood could have produced this result.

(40) Polystrate fossils (viz. vertical fossil tree trunks) that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

(41) Polystrate fossils also form when water-logged timber sinks in a large body of water. A year long global flood could produce worldwide polystrate fossils formed in this way.

(42) Animal tracks and other ephemeral markings (ripple-marks and raindrop imprints) have been preserved throughout the geological column. Rapid covering of these markings is required for this preservation worldwide - ie. by a global flood.

(43) Meteorites are basically absent from the geologic column. With the large number of meteorites hitting the earth each year, they should be very plentiful throughout the sedimentary rocks - unless much of the world's sedimentary rocks were laid down in one year.

(44) Sedimentary rocks contain fossil ripple-marks and raindrop imprints, but no hail imprints. A global flood (with associated rain), that was not caused by storms would not leave hail imprint marks.

(45) Some desert areas show evidence of 'recent' water bodies. Water from a recent global flood would remain in large pools (bodies of water) for some time before evaporating.

(46) There is evidence of a recent drastic rise in sea level. A global flood could easily have created this feature.

http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm

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#96506 Aug 8, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"Evolution is not a belief system."
Yes it is.
http://m.youtube.com/watch... #
You really can't be that stupid and foolish as to give Ray Comfort any credibility at all, can you?
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#96507 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood at 4300 years ago or anytime in the last 200,000 years. Not only no evidence, but nothing even supporting the possibility of a flood under the conditions described in Genesis. This does not refute the existence of God or gods and does not change my belief at all. I thought it was a nice little story even when I was a child.
Continued..........

(47) Raised shorelines are found worldwide indicating a time when the world had a different sea level. A consistent interpretation of this is that a global flood altered the levels of the oceans and seas.

(48) Mountain-high water level marks found throughout the world are consistent with the recession of a global flood.

(49) River terraces are found worldwide.(Morris p:685)

(50) There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.

(51) Only modern sediments show any evidence of surface drainage systems. If the majority of the world's sedimentary rocks were laid down by a global flood there would not be any sign of drainage erosion except for the top layers eroded during the recession of the flood waters off the land.

(52) Hydrologic evidence points to the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock layers. Therefore, the thousand's of metres of sediment must have been deposited by a catastrophic global flood.

(53) Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

(54) Hydrologic experiments show that flowing sediment automatically settles out in distinct layers. Therefore, sedimentary rock layers can be just as easily explained as flood debris, as slow deposition.

(55) There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood.

(56) There is a near-random deposition of formational sequences.(Morris p:685)

(57) Nowhere in the world is it possible to see the complete geologic column as a single structure. It is always found in bits and pieces, and mostly with pieces missing. Globally, a worldwide flood could create the illusion of a geologic column.

(58) The oldest organisms still alive on Earth today, the Californian Redwoods, Sequoias and Bristlecone Pines, are around 3,000-4,000 years old. Nothing is older that the date of Noah's flood.

FROM THE GENESIS NARRATIVE........[47 reasons]

(59) The account in Genesis speaks of the flood being a universal event at least thirty times.

(60) God promised three times not to "smite [destroy - NKJ] every living thing" by a flood (Gen8:21; 9:11; 9:15). Three occurrences in Scripture indicates absolute truth.

(61) Following the flood, Eden was no longer discussed geographically. If it was a local flood, its general whereabouts would still be known. The total obliteration of the whole earth's geography is therefore inferred - such as by a global flood.

(62) The "waters above the firmament [earth - NKJ]" would not have been localised into a small area.(Gen 1:7)

(63) No rain on the earth before the flood speaks of a worldwide condition.(Gen 2:5)

http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm

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#96508 Aug 8, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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More evidence:
Evidence for a Global Flood
by Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed
Oh my!!!

You are that stupid!
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#96509 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood ld.
Continued........

(64) The whole earth was watered by a mist, prior to the flood.(Gen 2:6)

(65) The dawn of civilization had a high civilization (Genesis chapter 4). This was wiped out and did not recover for a long time.

(66) The long life spans of the pre-diluvial people indicates an entirely different biosphere.(Gen 5:5; 5:8; 5:11; etc)

(67) The subsequent decline in life span following the flood indicates a radically different biosphere.(Gen 23:1; 25:7)

(68) God described the pre-flood people as universally evil (Gen 6:5). He never described the post-flood people as universally evil, so something universal (ie. worldwide) must have happened to weed it out.

(69) Mankind had multiplied all over the earth (Gen 6:1), so the flood had to be global to destroy them all.

(70) God was sorry that he created all living creatures, not just a localised population of animal creatures.(Gen 6:6-7)

(71) The whole earth was seen by God as corrupt.(Gen 6:11-12)

(72) God decided to destroy the whole earth.(Gen 6:13)

(73) Everything that had breath was to die.(Gen 6:17)

(74) The purpose of the ark was to keep two of every breathing animal (ie. worldwide species) alive.(Gen 6:19)

(75) Two of every kind of animal and bird came to Noah, not just local fauna.(Gen 6:20)

(76) Noah had to collect samples of all food eaten, not just local foodstuffs.(Gen 6:21)

(77) God wanted the ark "to keep seed [species - NKJ] alive upon the face of the earth".(Gen 7:3)

(78) God promised to destroy every living thing on the earth.(Gen 7:4)

(79) The Hebrew word for flood "mabbul" only refers to Noah's flood, so it must have been different to all other floods.(Gen 7:10)

(80) All the "fountains of the great deep" broke up in one incident.(Gen 7:11)

(81) The "fountains of the great deep" would not have affected a simple, local land-based flood.(Gen 7:11)
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#96510 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood at 4300 years ago or anytime in the last 200,000 years. Not only no evidence, but nothing even supporting the possibility of a flood under the conditions described in Genesis. This does not refute the existence of God or gods and does not change my belief at all. I thought it was a nice little story even when I was a child.
And these.....

(82) The opening of the windows of heaven (if this refers to "the waters above the firmament") would had a global impact.(Gen 7:11)

(83) The double superlative, "all the high mountains under all the heavens" ["all the high hills under the whole heaven" - NKJ], indicates a global covering.(Gen 7:19)

(84) The highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits (6.75m) of water.(Gen 7:20)

(85) The Hebrew word, "kasah", used to mean that the mountains were covered has a meaning of "overwhelming".(Gen 7:20)

(86) Every human died on the whole earth.(Gen 7:21)

(87) All living things on dry land, with "nephesh" life in them, died.(Gen 7:22)

(88) Every living thing on the earth was destroyed.(Gen 7:23)

(89) The floodwater remained at maximum height for 5 months.(Gen 7:24)

(90) The "fountains of the deep" were open for 5 months.(Gen 8:2)

(91) The "windows of heaven" were open for 5 months.(Gen 8:2)

(92) The floodwaters took 5 months to drain off the land.(Gen 8:3)

(93) The ark floated above the mountains for 5 months.(Gen 8:4)

(94) The waters receded for 2.5 months before the mountain tops were visible.(Gen 8:5)

(95) The dove couldn't find solid ground until the water had receded for 4 months.(Gen 8:9)

(96) Plants did not grow for 9 months.(Gen 8:11)

(97) Noah, his family, and the animals were in the ark for over a year.(Gen 8:14)

(98) All current life came out of the ark.(Gen 8:19)

(99) God promised that he would not destroy all living things again in the same way.(Gen 8:21)

(100) The current seasonal conditions date from the end of the flood (Gen 8:22), indicating a radical change from the previous environment.

(101) God commanded Noah and his family to breed and fill the earth with people again.(Gen 9:1)

(102) A flood will not be used by God to destroy the earth again.(Gen 9:11)

(103) The earth was re-populated from Noah's family.(Gen 9:19)

(104) Everyone spoke the same language after the flood (Gen 11:1), indicating decent from a single ancestor.

(105) Everyone lived in the same area after the flood.(Gen 11:9)



FROM ELSEWHERE IN SCRIPTURE......[9 reasons]

(106) The floodwaters overturned the earth.(Job 12:15)

(107) The floodwaters covered the whole earth.(Is 54:9)

(108) The flood took all people off the face of the earth.(Matt 24:39)- Jesus talking

(109) The flood destroyed all humans.(Luke 17:27)- Jesus talking

(110) The whole world was condemned.(Heb 11:7)

(111) God destroyed the old world.(II Peter 2:5)

(112) God flooded the whole world.(II Peter 2:5)

(113) The Greek word for flood, "kataklusmos", is only used to describe Noah's flood. This indicates that it was vastly different from any other flood.(II Peter 2:5)

(114) The old world perished by flood.(II Peter 3:6)



http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm

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#96511 Aug 8, 2013
Think about it wrote:
Not one change of species into another is on record. We cannot prove that a single species has ever changed (into another)- Darwin
Darwin C.R., letter to G. Bentham, May 22 1863, in Darwin F., ed., "The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin," [1898], Basic Books: New York NY, Vol. II., 1959, reprint, p.210. Parentheses in original
Things sure do change in 150 years, don't they?

Now we have countless examples that we can show.

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#96512 Aug 8, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Rapidly buried your citaitons for space.
Rapid Burial
Fossils all over the world show evidence of rapid burial. Many fossils, such as fossilized jellyfish,a show by the details of their soft, fleshy portionsb that they were buried rapidly, before they could decay.(Normally, dead animals and plants quickly decompose.) The presence of fossilized remains of many other animals, buried in mass graves and lying in twisted and contorted positions, suggests violent and rapid burials over large areas.c These observations, plus the occurrence of compressed fossils and fossils that cut across two or more layers of sedimentary rock, are strong evidence that the sediments encasing these fossils were deposited rapidly—not over hundreds of millions of years. Furthermore, almost all sediments that formed today’s rocks were sorted by water. The worldwide fossil record is, therefore, evidence of rapid death and burial of animal and plant life by a worldwide, catastrophic flood. The fossil record is not evidence of slow change.d [See "A Whale of a Tale" on page 133.]
Figure 7: Fossil of Fish Swallowing Fish. Burial and fossilization must have been quite rapid to have preserved a fish in the act of swallowing another fish. Thousands of such fossils have been found.
Figure 8: Fish in Long Fish. In the belly of the above 14-foot-long fish is a smaller fish, presumably the big fish’s breakfast. Because digestion is rapid, fossilization must have been even more so.
Figure 9: Fish in Curved Fish. The curved back shows that this fish died under stress.
Figure 10: Dragonfly Wing. This delicate, 1 1/2-foot-long wing must have been buried rapidly and evenly to preserve its details. Imagine the size of the entire dragonfly!
a . Thousands of jellyfish, many bigger than a dinner plate, are found in at least seven different horizons of coarse-grained, abrasive sandstone in Wisconsin.[See James W. Hagadorn et al.,“Stranded on a Late Cambrian Shoreline: Medusae from Central Wisconsin,” Geology, Vol. 30, February 2002, pp. 147–150.]
Coarse grains slowly covering a jellyfish would allow atmospheric oxygen to migrate in and produce rapid decay. Burial in clay or mud would better shield an organism from decay. If coarse-grain sand buried these jellyfish in a storm, turbulence and abrasion by the sand grains would tear and destroy the jellyfish. To understand how thousands of jellyfish were gently collected and preserved in coarse-grained sand, see pages 186–198.
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Oh, you cut and paste something you found on the web. I am surprised. I didn't expect that.

Fossilized jellyfish. An animal living in an aquatic environment that shows fossilization from rapid burial. The case cracker. You have done it. I am convinced.
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#96513 Aug 8, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence of a world wide flood at 4300 years ago or anytime in the last 200,000 years. Not only no evidence, but nothing even supporting the possibility of a flood under the conditions described in Genesis. This does not refute the existence of God or gods and does not change my belief at all. I thought it was a nice little story even when I was a child.
Then there this:

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-b...

"Long before the discovery of the scablands, geologists dismissed the role of catastrophic floods in interpreting European geology. By the end of the 19th century such ideas not only were out of fashion but were geological heresy. When J Harlen Bretz uncovered evidence of giant floods in eastern Washington in the 1920s, it took most of the 20th century for other geologists to believe him. Geologists had so thoroughly vilified the concept of great floods that they could not believe it when somebody actually found evidence of one.
Bretz was a classic field geologist and a controversial figure throughout his career. In 1925 he presented the story of the region’s giant floods, seeing what others at first could not—and then would not—see. He spent his lifetime piecing together the story of how a raging wall of water hundreds of feet high roared across eastern Washington, carving deep channels before cascading down the Columbia River Gorge as a wall of water high enough to turn Oregon’s Willamette Valley into a vast backwater lake.

Bretz found exotic granite boulders perched on basalt cliffs hundreds of feet above the highest recorded river level. In the scablands, a desolate region stripped of soil, he came across dry waterfalls and potholes hundreds of feet above the modern river. Gigantic gravel bars deposited within dry valleys implied deep, fast-flowing water. Streamlined hills rose like islands, extending more than 100 feet above the scoured-out channelways.

He realized the chaotic landscape had been carved by an enormous flood that chewed deep channels through hundreds of feet of solid basalt. The ancient flood deposited an enormous delta around Portland, Oregon, backing up flow into the Willamette Valley. The waters, he eventually realized, could have come from catastrophic drainage of Lake Missoula, an ancient, glacier-dammed lake in western Montana.

Bretz was ridiculed until 1940, when geologist Joe Pardee described giant ripple marks on the bed of Lake Missoula. The 50-foot-high ripples, he said, were formed by fast-flowing currents and not by the sluggish bottom water of a lake. Only sudden failure of the glacial dam could have released the 2,000-foot-deep lake. The catastrophic release of 600 cubic miles of water through a narrow gap would sweep away everything in its path. In 1979, when Bretz was 97 years old, the Geological Society of America awarded him its highest honor, the Penrose Medal."
Think about it

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#96514 Aug 8, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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More evidence:
Evidence for a Global Flood
by Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed
Email: [email protected] m
Webpage: www.unmaskingevolution.com
[Free to print and distribute. Copy must be in full.]
In the past, scientists largely dismissed Noah's flood as a myth, or a local flood, as it was believed that there could not have been enough rainwater to cover the world as high as Mount Everest. Recent discoveries in plate tectonics and crustal physics have shown that a much flatter Earth could have easily been flooded, with the resultant volcanic and geologic activity altering the land surface. These details have demolished the main argument against a global flood, but the tag of "local flood" has remained because atheists do not want any evidence that supports the existence of an Almighty, Creator/God.
Here are over 100 evidences in support of a global flood, rather than a local one.
FROM LOGIC.........[12 reasons]
(1) For rain to fall for forty uninterrupted days on one localized area is currently close to impossible.
(2) A rainbow appeared for the first time after the flood, indicating a radical change in atmospheric conditions as a consequence of a cataclysmic event.
(3) The waters remained for over a year. This would not occur in a local flood.
(4) To be higher than the highest mountains, the flood could not have been local.
(5) To cover the mountains continually for 9 months, the flood could not have been local.
(6) The purpose of the flood was to destroy all human beings. This could only refer to a worldwide flood.
(7) If the flood was local, people living elsewhere in the world would have escaped.
(8) The enormous size of the ark (equivalent to the capacity of 500 railroad freight carriages) would hold much more than local species of animals.
(9) The purpose of the ark to "keep seed [species - NKJ] alive upon the face of the earth" is only rational if the flood was global.
(10) Noah and his family could have migrated to a locality away from the local area to be flooded. There would have been no need to spend 120 years building an ark.
(11) Many of the animals in the flooding area could have easily migrated to escape the deluge if the flood was local. There would have been no need to build an ark to provide them with a safe haven.
(12) If God made a promise based on a lie (ie. that the flood being local rather than global), then he can't be trusted to save us from our sins.
http://unmaskingevolution.com/18-flood.htm
How did Noah and his family gather up 2 of every animal world wide before the flood?

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