Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Everett, WA

#96323 Aug 7, 2013
So we analyze the spectrum of light coming off of a star, which they can do quite accurately. Now we need to know how big the star is. That is going to be directly related to its mass. I am not sure how astronomers get mass. I can think of a couple. If they know how far away from a star the planet is and its orbital period that gives you its mass. I am betting they can get it from spectrum, distance away from Earth, and relative brightness too, but I could not show you the math on that.

So now we have brightness and size. Temperature at any distance is easy to calculate using the flux of energy passing through that particular orbit.

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#96324 Aug 7, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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And this "black body radiation" they know for a fact that it will be the same results of a planet that is 1250 light years away that has water. land and a atmosphere as they claim it has?
It is the star that is radiating and not the planet, and the answer is yes. They are not measuring light from the planet when they measure its temperature.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#96325 Aug 7, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I guess I missed that post somewhere. How can they tell the temp of a planet that is 1225 light years away?
An 'EXACT' temperature probably will never be known. However, we can estimate the temperature based upon several factors including the distance to the parent star and any greenhouse gasses detected in that planet's atmosphere.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n71...

The temperature of the parent stars are estimated by several factors. See http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeedu/kstars/a...

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Valley Village, CA

#96326 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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http://geology.about.com/od/flooding/qt/flood...
The Comeback of Noah's Flood
In 1997 two marine geologists, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, published a book about Noah's Flood—the real one they discovered themselves. It's a geologic event that they say occurred several thousand years before the ancient Hebrews wrote the story down in its familiar 40-days/40-nights form. The response among Ryan and Pitman's readers was approving interest and follow-up research, the cultural equivalent of polite applause.(See my review.)
The very first "theories of the Earth" assumed a universal Flood for two good reasons: the word of God described it in convincing detail and the majority of the rocks of Europe were obviously formed under water (and having never seen lava flows, many early thinkers considered even basalt a marine sediment). But the geologic evidence grew and its contradictions with scripture could no longer be denied.
That's not what the article says. They are talking about a flood in the Black Sea _ONLY_.

To the people living in THAT area, it was very dramatic (as ALL regional floods are to the people in those areas). However, that is not evidence of a _GLOBAL_ flood.

The whole point of this article is that you can't take the Bible literally because it's not meant to be taken literally.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96327 Aug 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>So which video am I supposed to watch? The first one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96328 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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http://geology.about.com/od/flooding/qt/flood...
The Comeback of Noah's Flood
In 1997 two marine geologists, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, published a book about Noah's Flood—the real one they discovered themselves. It's a geologic event that they say occurred several thousand years before the ancient Hebrews wrote the story down in its familiar 40-days/40-nights form. The response among Ryan and Pitman's readers was approving interest and follow-up research, the cultural equivalent of polite applause.(See my review.)
The very first "theories of the Earth" assumed a universal Flood for two good reasons: the word of God described it in convincing detail and the majority of the rocks of Europe were obviously formed under water (and having never seen lava flows, many early thinkers considered even basalt a marine sediment). But the geologic evidence grew and its contradictions with scripture could no longer be denied.
You are misusing the word "theory".

And yes, very early geologists did assume a flood. They went looking for evidence for it. They found evidence against a flood instead. A few fools since have tried to deny the obvious and have given the geology world hours of laughter.

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#96329 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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The video I wanted you to see was the right one. Did you watch it?
I watched a video with some guy named Matt Mira. I didn't see anything alarming on it.

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Everett, WA

#96330 Aug 7, 2013
And imagine, you should have read the article you linked. It does not substantiate Noah's Flood at all. It only describes how the Black Sea flooded in the past. But this was hardly Noah's Flood. Yes, villages had to be moved. No one died. That flood was so slow that you could not have just walked away from it, you could have crawled away from it.

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#96331 Aug 7, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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That's not what the article says. They are talking about a flood in the Black Sea _ONLY_.
To the people living in THAT area, it was very dramatic (as ALL regional floods are to the people in those areas). However, that is not evidence of a _GLOBAL_ flood.
The whole point of this article is that you can't take the Bible literally because it's not meant to be taken literally.
It was not even that dramatic of a flood. Yes, they had to move villages. As I said in my previous post, people could have crawled away from that flood. I ran the numbers once and it was a slow permanent influx of water.

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#96332 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is the star that is radiating and not the planet, and the answer is yes. They are not measuring light from the planet when they measure its temperature.
How are they accurately measuring its temp when it takes 1250 light years for even the light from it to get here?

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#96333 Aug 7, 2013
I will say this, i have not been thru this forum with a fine tooth comb. With that said, for all of you who do not acknowledge the BIBLE. Ha...Look around people science, monkey, or fish did not create your world, nor did they create you, I feel sorrow for all those who do not trust in GOD's Word....but in the end it's ok, God is forgiving, even of you! That's IT.....

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#96334 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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This is just 2 paragraphs from site.
http://geology.about.com/od/flooding/qt/flood...
In 1997 two marine geologists, William Ryan and Walter Pitman, published a book about Noah's Flood—the real one they discovered themselves. It's a geologic event that they say occurred several thousand years before the ancient Hebrews wrote the story down in its familiar 40-days/40-nights form. The response among Ryan and Pitman's readers was approving interest and follow-up research, the cultural equivalent of polite applause.(See my review.)
The very first "theories of the Earth" assumed a universal Flood for two good reasons: the word of God described it in convincing detail and the majority of the rocks of Europe were obviously formed under water (and having never seen lava flows, many early thinkers considered even basalt a marine sediment). But the geologic evidence grew and its contradictions with scripture could no longer be denied.
Actually the biblical description is not clear and in places contradicts itself.

Ryan and Pitman proposed that a massive flood of the black see occurred around 5500BC. This very large, but localized flood is the basis of many of the flood myths including the biblical story of Noah.

You left this off of the page you linked.

"Just a few generations ago, though, the question of the Flood created whole decades of cultural flame wars. Geology won the argument and the Biblical literalists lost. The Flood could not have covered the whole world, it could not have laid down every sedimentary rock bed in a few months, and Noah could not have rescued every living species. The rocks put the lie to all that.

This debate, along with the equally ferocious argument over evolution as well as other trends of the 1800s, basically debunked the Bible as an authority for any physical truth. But while the Bible is of no use as a geology text, it does have value in its version of the Flood. In that sense, Ryan and Pitman have rehabilitated the good book."

The link doesn't claim that the story of Noah is true, but that it may have a factual basis in localized flooding. Science has never ruled out that possibility and even publicly made claims supporting that view. Here two scientists seem to be the ones that have evidence to support the possibility.

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#96335 Aug 7, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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That's not what the article says. They are talking about a flood in the Black Sea _ONLY_.
To the people living in THAT area, it was very dramatic (as ALL regional floods are to the people in those areas). However, that is not evidence of a _GLOBAL_ flood.
The whole point of this article is that you can't take the Bible literally because it's not meant to be taken literally.
Exactly. He was a bit picky with his selections to cut and paste in his post.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96336 Aug 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I watched a video with some guy named Matt Mira. I didn't see anything alarming on it.
Ok, just checking.

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#96337 Aug 7, 2013
This is off topic but I am going through some issues with someone. Any one here been adopted or know any one that has been?

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#96338 Aug 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. He was a bit picky with his selections to cut and paste in his post.
Dan do you know anyone that has been adopted? If someone I know is having trouble that they were adopted thinking their parents didn't want them and didn't love them what would you suggest me to tell them?

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#96339 Aug 7, 2013
WildMountainHoney wrote:
I will say this, i have not been thru this forum with a fine tooth comb. With that said, for all of you who do not acknowledge the BIBLE. Ha...Look around people science, monkey, or fish did not create your world, nor did they create you,
Nor did the Bible, which you apparently worship. If there is a Supreme Being, He/She/It will reveal His/Her/Its presence through nature. Not through a book written by Bronze Age nomads.

Despite this, I can accept the concept of a Supernatural Being. One that would be wise enough to judge me according to the quality of the life I've spent with His other creations, and not by my wearing a suit and tie in a pew in "God's House" absent-mindingly reciting empty words from a dusty book that holds little relevance to my life (although I did that for many years as well).
WildMountainHoney wrote:
I feel sorrow for all those who do not trust in GOD's Word....but in the end it's ok, God is forgiving, even of you! That's IT.....
I feel sorrow for those that fail to see the wonder and beauty of what **could be** God's ACTUAL HANDIWORK -- nature -- and instead focus on the words of MAN, fallable, error-prone MAN as written in the Bible.

The Bible was passed down from millenia of campfire stories by well-meaning, but highly superstitious Bronze-age Man, only then to be written down, and translated multiple times, then edited and RE-edited multiple times, often by committee that included and excluded entire books and sections of ancient text based purely on their own political bias. There are now over 50 different English versions of the Bible.

If there is a God, He left us with DIRECT evidence in the form of the entire UNIVERSE to inspire and awe us. He also would have given us the ability to use our minds to decipher the evidence of His creation.

THIS is what science is doing.

The Bible AT MOST is a loose guidebook, not to be taken literally.

NOT a science or history book.

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#96340 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Ok, just checking.
So I take it, that it was the right video. I'll check it out again.

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#96341 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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The video I wanted you to see was the right one. Did you watch it?
I don't think the video you wanted me to see came up when I took the link. I did agree with Matt Mira that Popeye was Robin Williams' worst film and I thought the Nissan Batmobile with the flamethrower was pretty cool. Probably not the video you were talking about.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96342 Aug 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>So I take it, that it was the right video. I'll check it out again.
This is it. Just to make sure it works correctly this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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