Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216866 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“e pluribus unum”

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#96259 Aug 7, 2013
JBH wrote:
Obama is wrong all the time with a lot of stands of radicalism. This is a total embarrassment of ALL TIME as Obama is the light weight, by making lots of deception.
He HAS USED the Snowden story in the mixed-up of calling G-20 Summit with no one single fact proven, nor with demonstrating any substance to the degree of what Snowden really has done, as he even whispered opinion on the case by by saying of going back to cold war.
Obama always thinks he is progressive by calling forward, yet everything he does is indeed beyond being backward, ridiculous and silly, which shows by doing the backwardness policy of his saying of cold war, and that contradicts and confronts what he says he is a forward progressive.
He would also use the very small tiny matter of feeling upset by making gay stand as being extremely confused and agitated about Russia's Scohi Olympic, which is totally impertinent and improper in the relevant business.
When he had high anxiety in the chemical weapons subject about Syria by calling red line, yet he could not demonstrate with one substantial single fact of clues, and why and what-unsuitable-that he is not, by being so pushy into shuffling into Syria, with no valid findings,like former Bush to Iraq.
Everything Obama says is lack of ground and that is why he is always discredited from what he says, by the world
IN respect to global business and agenda as the vast and big agenda related to G-20 Summit and International OLympics in modern forward direction of especially in these new times, not that everything Obama thinks and says is wrong , the advocacy of wrongs in the damages so caused to US people, the great weight of global importance of G-20 and International Sochi Olympics, would make the silly stocks of embarrassment and laughters of Obama.
Just who defies who--as it indicates that Obama defies global democracy, of which huge majority of world public deny everything of what Obama says, about Snowden, G-20, International Sochi Olympics policy ? When one asks any country around the world will do that reaction like Obama , that is highly impossible, because worldwide people are much better than Obama, as Obama is merely a lone soul in his opinion among huge global populations.
How can US be a Superpower, with no basic grasp and weight measure of big events as to facts realized, adjusted and knowing when Obama demonstrates such, which makes no sense in every case?
As Obama seems to be very immature in his conducts and shows inapt attitude, there is no question why US is going downhill and increasingly lacking weight stand on the world stage, simply he demonstrates the lack of capability, being totally irrational and unreasonable beyond the over limit in the nature of being so odd as the extremism of unfit position undertaken by him.
It's even worse than that.

imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96260 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have shown in post after post how little you know about science. Now you are impressed by one bozo who even from this summary is clearly making the most elementary errors before he even gets started.
Learn what evolution ACTUALLY claims by reading ACTUAL materials about evolution by the scientists who understand it.
The level of ignorant criticism you present would be like me criticising the Bible if I have never read it and took all my information from anti-Christian Muslim commentators! What chance would there be that my criticisms were valid?
THAT is EXACTLY what you are doing.
I love watching you guys get your feathers up, claws out and tongues of fire lit up. All it takes is showing how wrong you are, evidence to the contrary and boy do the criticisms and attacks fly.

There is plenty of evidence in God, that is so obvious that a child can see it, and billions of people around the world laughing at your unbelievable 'crazy evo' ideas.
Dak-Original

Cardiff, UK

#96261 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yoga as a physical stretching exercise is fine, but when you use it spiritually, emptying and opening your mind up to any thoughts, you are inviting spirits, of any kind, to invade your mind.
This is forbidden by God.
So you believe in the authority of God! Inviting "spirits" to invade one's mind? You are fully detached from reality due to your blind following of a belief system.

Dak-Original

Cardiff, UK

#96262 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a faith.
Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.
There will be faulty fringes in the now mainly proved fact of the Evolution of the Species and after the Human Genome Project of 2003 you are crazy to use words "fatal flaws". Wake up now!
Dak-Original

Cardiff, UK

#96263 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are just a few, I'll be back with 'plenty' more.
The Taung child in South Africa. This fossil was once rejected as a human ancestor. It has since been accepted.
The Piltdown Hoax. A human skull and Orangutan’s jaw were altered to make evolution look credible.
The Nebraska Man. In 1917, geologist Harold Cook found a tooth. Scientists believed it was from an undiscovered ape, an ancestor of humans. However, in 1925 scientists discovered that the tooth actually belonged to an extinct pig.
Neanderthals. The original descriptions of the Neanderthal fossils were distorted to make the fossils seem more primitive than they are.
Ramapithecus. This species was once considered a human ancestor, but is now known only as a relative of the orangutan.
East African Volcanic Dating. There is a heated debate over the age of a volcanic layer that is associated with human fossils in East Africa.
Australopithecines. Paleoanthropologists Richard Leakey and Donald Johanson disagree on where the newer Lucy-type finds were located.
The Force of Change. There are ongoing conflicts about whether predation, hunting, or cooperation caused human evolution.
Lewin says this about the theory of human evolution:
In the physical realm, any theory of human evolution must explain how it was that an apelike ancestor, equipped with powerful jaws and long, daggerlike canine teeth and able to run at speed on four limbs, became transformed into a slow, bipedal animal whose natural means of defense were at best puny. Add to this the power of intellect, speech, and morality, upon which we “stand raised as upon the mountain top” as Huxley put it, and one has the complete challenge to the evolutionary theory.
But the Human Genome Project of 2003 has the last word and the above is copy paste of matters raised by creation apologists prior to 2003.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96264 Aug 7, 2013
JBH wrote:
Obama is wrong all the time with a lot of stands of radicalism. This is a total embarrassment of ALL TIME as Obama is the light weight, by making lots of deception.
He HAS USED the Snowden story in the mixed-up of calling G-20 Summit with no one single fact proven, nor with demonstrating any substance to the degree of what Snowden really has done, as he even whispered opinion on the case by by saying of going back to cold war.
Obama always thinks he is progressive by calling forward, yet everything he does is indeed beyond being backward, ridiculous and silly, which shows by doing the backwardness policy of his saying of cold war, and that contradicts and confronts what he says he is a forward progressive.
He would also use the very small tiny matter of feeling upset by making gay stand as being extremely confused and agitated about Russia's Scohi Olympic, which is totally impertinent and improper in the relevant business.
When he had high anxiety in the chemical weapons subject about Syria by calling red line, yet he could not demonstrate with one substantial single fact of clues, and why and what-unsuitable-that he is not, by being so pushy into shuffling into Syria, with no valid findings,like former Bush to Iraq.
Everything Obama says is lack of ground and that is why he is always discredited from what he says, by the world
IN respect to global business and agenda as the vast and big agenda related to G-20 Summit and International OLympics in modern forward direction of especially in these new times, not that everything Obama thinks and says is wrong , the advocacy of wrongs in the damages so caused to US people, the great weight of global importance of G-20 and International Sochi Olympics, would make the silly stocks of embarrassment and laughters of Obama.
Just who defies who--as it indicates that Obama defies global democracy, of which huge majority of world public deny everything of what Obama says, about Snowden, G-20, International Sochi Olympics policy ? When one asks any country around the world will do that reaction like Obama , that is highly impossible, because worldwide people are much better than Obama, as Obama is merely a lone soul in his opinion among huge global populations.
How can US be a Superpower, with no basic grasp and weight measure of big events as to facts realized, adjusted and knowing when Obama demonstrates such, which makes no sense in every case?
As Obama seems to be very immature in his conducts and shows inapt attitude, there is no question why US is going downhill and increasingly lacking weight stand on the world stage, simply he demonstrates the lack of capability, being totally irrational and unreasonable beyond the over limit in the nature of being so odd as the extremism of unfit position undertaken by him.
He's using Snowden, G20 summit and Russia heavily in the news to divert attention away from his illegal actions with the IRS and his spying on the news channel and all other countries.

I agree, he took on a job that was way over his head, his very large, conceited, egotistical head.

SBT
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Since: Jun 13

United States

#96265 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/Veith_Curri...
Why when you disagree with another person's views, you ALWAYS call them a "LYING IDIOT" or worse.
very childish
Yes, and the more you show them their error, the madder they get, accusing, stereotyping and attacking you personally, offering nothing to refute the evidence but taking sidestreets and offering paper arguments. But they did the same to Christ.

Dr. Maynard Miller, Americas most experienced glaciologist in his day, told me that there is not a single ice cap in the world with more than 5000 yrs of cyclic ice accumulation, as after those depths the ice homogenizes and then they estimate age by compression and length; as far as varves, they have found fossilized fish in multiple varves, covered and killed catastrophically. Hence ice core dating and varves prove nothing for evolution but support a creation model.

I have spent over 30 years working underground world-wide and in every case, I have never once seen strata that shows nothing less than the picture the Bible paints - That this world was made out of water with water and was subsequently destroyed by water.(See Great Unconformity link) I approach this with fear. Uniformity in general has been operating with the exception of local catastrophic events like St. Helens, which only more prove a flood model.

The comment venue of blogs and bantering sounds nice if your education is evolutionary and field experience is google and talk-origins. Evolution is a belief system based on faith easily refuted. You just have to ask the right questions -



http://youngearth.com/grand-canyon-nautiloids

http://www.icr.org/article/2032/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Unconformi...

“e pluribus unum”

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primus inter pares

#96266 Aug 7, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and the more you show them their error, the madder they get, accusing, stereotyping and attacking you personally, offering nothing to refute the evidence but taking sidestreets and offering paper arguments. But they did the same to Christ.
Dr. Maynard Miller, Americas most experienced glaciologist in his day, told me that there is not a single ice cap in the world with more than 5000 yrs of cyclic ice accumulation, as after those depths the ice homogenizes and then they estimate age by compression and length; as far as varves, they have found fossilized fish in multiple varves, covered and killed catastrophically. Hence ice core dating and varves prove nothing for evolution but support a creation model.
I have spent over 30 years working underground world-wide and in every case, I have never once seen strata that shows nothing less than the picture the Bible paints - That this world was made out of water with water and was subsequently destroyed by water.(See Great Unconformity link) I approach this with fear. Uniformity in general has been operating with the exception of local catastrophic events like St. Helens, which only more prove a flood model.
The comment venue of blogs and bantering sounds nice if your education is evolutionary and field experience is google and talk-origins. Evolution is a belief system based on faith easily refuted. You just have to ask the right questions -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zaKryi3605gXX
http://youngearth.com/grand-canyon-nautiloids
http://www.icr.org/article/2032/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Unconformi...
You idiot!

Antarctica is thought to have been covered by ice for over 30 million years. So far, scientists have drilled ice cores stretching back 800,000 years, and they are now working to extend their records back to 1.4 million years ago.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/environmen...
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#96267 Aug 7, 2013
Very good on Evolution vs God.

http://m.youtube.com/watch... #
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#96268 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>We have no idea of if there was time "before" the big bang or not. The question of where time came from is a genuine mystery. But papering over a genuine mystery with "therefore Goddidit" is senseless. You cannot know that. Nor can non-believers know its not true.

There is only one honest answer, and that is that we don't know why there is time or why there is anything at all. That would include "why is there God" if indeed there is one.

As for your claim that black holes cannot stop time, you seem to imagine that they would stop time everywhere, but that is not what relativity claims. Time will stop only at the event horizon - the "boundary surface" of the black hole itself. Time will continue to move forward above that horizon, the faster the further away until it reaches its "ground rate" when gravity approaches zero.

Therefore there can be many black holes in the universe without time as a whole stopping. And don't fret just because its hard to make sense of it. Physicists spend years getting their heads around it but A/ it makes sense when you understand how it works and B/ every experimental measure to date confirms it whether you like it or not.
But where did Time come from?
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#96269 Aug 7, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I am a Christian and believe in God. I am a Methodist if that helps. Now was that so hard to actually ask a meaningful question?

Of course now you will perhaps feel justified in calling me a false Christian or a liar. Feel free if that is what you choose to do. Keep in mind that I don't consider religious views directly relevant to science and that this is a science forum.
"I am a Christian"

Hitler said the same thing. I didn't believe him either.

"and believe in God."

This I have no doubt.
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#96270 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and now you can stop complaining that the question was dodged. I think I covered that too.
Where did time come from?

I must have missed it in your post. I went back and re read it but still I don't see where you explained where time came from?
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#96271 Aug 7, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to be considering time as a physical property, which is most certainly not - time is a reference, a dimension. Time can be slowed in reference to C, and may also be absent.
Where is time absent?

Nothing can exist without time.
Nothing can happen without time.
Nothing can change without time.

So where is time absent?
And where is the proof of this claim?
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#96272 Aug 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Clearly that isn't the truth.
The evidence says if time stops the clock simply quits ticking.
If time stopped on a universal scale, we wouldn't even have ever known it. But we can alter the ticks of clocks within the original
clock that started 13.7 bya.

Your question should be is the original clock, within another clock, or are there other clocks ? We simply cannot answer that.
But there most likely is. But more importantly ask the question
of whether we can detect the presence of a previous clock.
It maybe possible, and we maybe able to do this soon, with the Webb telescope after it gets in position and looks back toward the beginning.
Time is not a constant. This I am very aware of. Time is not a solid of this I'm aware. Science claims time started 13.7 billion years ago of this I'm aware. If time stopped we would not know it, I am aware of this.

Where did time come from?
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#96273 Aug 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Then why aren't you asking where length or height or depth came from?
Time came from the same place they did.
We got them at the dimension store.
They came together in a package deal.
I picked just one. Is there a rule that I can't question about just one?

Where did time come from?
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#96274 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Aah, you are a denying idiot.
Time still running! and according to science it's been running non stop for 13.7 billion years.

Now, where did time come from?
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#96275 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, for you it is impossible to stop time. You will never find yourself falling into a black hole. Nor will you ever approach the speed of light.

For a photon or something that falls into a black hole that is not the case. A photon experiences no time. To a photon it is everywhere along its path instantaneously.

I gave you a reference that supported my beliefs, what do you have that supports yours??
Prove that time would stop if I fell into a black hole.

Millions and millions of items have been sucked into black hole all over the universes. Time is still ticking non stop.
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#96276 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>Time is a vector quantity.

Now imagine 2 time vectors, one at right angles to the other. An infinity of time can elapse on one before a moment passes on the other. In that sense you would say time has stopped for whatever reference frame is at right angles to your own.

And thats about the size of it. Time slowing or stopping is merely one vector out of parallel with another.
I hear ya, and know exactly what your quoting. There truly is a lot of fascinating things about time. Time did not stop however.

Where did time come from?
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#96277 Aug 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*

Evolution is not a faith.

It's a conclusion.
Scientific theory have testable obvious able facts.

Just give us one proof of macro evolution. Not one species changing into another species. There are over 14 definitions of species. Macro evolution where one kind changes into another kind.

Evolutionist claim millions of time this has happened. Please just give one example.
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#96278 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.

Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?

Science has became another political party, in a way.

There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.

Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.

Everyone is born as an enemy of God.

Everyone who is first born does not know God

and does not believe in God

and mocks God...

even every Christian on this thread.

When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
"There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states"

Check out the thread
"Noah's Flood Real"

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