Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 172070 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96208 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Plagiarist.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-fos...
And pals of Walter Veith no less. Haven't the Germans locked him up yet?
I think he is South African. Still probably descended from a Nazi escapist father.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96209 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Because you speak for god, of course. Pride and arrogance.
I'm called to speak for Him. All of His children are called to speak for Him.

Lol! Pride and arrogance!

Why would I submit myself to this thread of mocking, being called every name under the sun, just to try and show you a truth that is being purposely hidden from you (purposely hidden by the unbelievers) if I was proud and arrogant???

If you don't believe what I tell you, then why would you think I'm proud of something you don't even believe?

Doesn't make common sense.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96210 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Plagiarist.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-fos...
And pals of Walter Veith no less. Haven't the Germans locked him up yet?
You must have know something that I didn't know. Walter Veith is banned from lecturing in German Adventist churches:

http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2012/12/05/u...

Now I am not so sure how I feel about that. Germany does have very strong antisemitism laws. And Veith is a total loon when it comes to religion. I don't know if I would classify him as an antisemite.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96211 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I'm called to speak for Him. All of His children are called to speak for Him.
Lol! Pride and arrogance!
Why would I submit myself to this thread of mocking, being called every name under the sun, just to try and show you a truth that is being purposely hidden from you (purposely hidden by the unbelievers) if I was proud and arrogant???
If you don't believe what I tell you, then why would you think I'm proud of something you don't even believe?
Doesn't make common sense.
Martyr complex.

Many incompetents suffer from it. They think that even though they are complete idiots that they are still accomplishing something for their "Lord".

The martyr complex combines arrogance, incompetence with a an inner revenge factor.

Perhaps if you got some psychological help you could get over your inner stupid.

Now usually it is not nice to make fun of stupid people. That is because for them it is an accident of birth. We do not make fun of the mentally retarded.

Creationists on the other hand are willfully stupid. That means it is always open season on creatards.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96212 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I think he is South African. Still probably descended from a Nazi escapist father.
I see, attacking the messenger and not actually listening to the message.

He used to be atheist and an evolution university professor until he came to know God and realized the instability of evolution.

He lost his job at the university because he told the truth about the flaws in evolution.

Well, he has now climbed his way back up out of poverty after being 'shunned' by the atheistic education system.

Why don't you listen to a few of his lectures before you can claim its nonsense.

Why do you always have to blindly follow your 'peers' who could well be lying thru their teeth to you, and you wouldn't even know it if you don't search for the truth on your own.



FLOOD:
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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96213 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I see, attacking the messenger and not actually listening to the message.
He used to be atheist and an evolution university professor until he came to know God and realized the instability of evolution.
He lost his job at the university because he told the truth about the flaws in evolution.
Well, he has now climbed his way back up out of poverty after being 'shunned' by the atheistic education system.
Why don't you listen to a few of his lectures before you can claim its nonsense.
Why do you always have to blindly follow your 'peers' who could well be lying thru their teeth to you, and you wouldn't even know it if you don't search for the truth on your own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =nfDB7OUBh-kXX
FLOOD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I doubt if he was ever an atheist.

And yes I have seen some of his videos. He openly lies in some of them. That means he is a hypocrite.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96214 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, most sedimentary rocks are from water borne deposits.
So what?
They are not from flood deposits.
We can tell how long it would take certain deposits to lay down. Varves for example are a yearly and extremely rarely twice a year process. There are some varves over a million layers in extent, that means it took more than a million years to lay them down.
Here is a simple question even you can answer:
Does ice float in your world? There are over 500,000 years of ice layers in the Antarctic. If there was a flood it would have all floated away.
Huh?

If there is water, and it's cold enough (as in the poles), ice will reform.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96215 Aug 7, 2013
I went to check out one of imagine's videos and found that typical of chickenshit creatards that the ability to comment had been turned off.

Creationists hate it when others point out how their nonsense is debunked by the real world.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#96216 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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It is a faith.
Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.
I do? Really?

Cite one.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96217 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You must have know something that I didn't know. Walter Veith is banned from lecturing in German Adventist churches:
http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/2012/12/05/u...
Now I am not so sure how I feel about that. Germany does have very strong antisemitism laws. And Veith is a total loon when it comes to religion. I don't know if I would classify him as an antisemite.
There is certainly some undertone in his speeches that modern Israel is not the Israel of the bible and should not be accorded any legitimacy.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#96218 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
Doesn't make common sense.
Let's talk about common sense...

SCENARIO #1:
You are claiming that evolution is false. Yet, many scientists work in fields that deal directly or indirectly with evolution.

If evolution is false, then the work they produce must either be faulty or falsified. It either can't work because it's based on something that's broken, or it works because they are cheating.

If that's the case, then everyone in these fields must know that evolution is false. Not "they have their opinion" the way someone outside of the field thinks. They work IN THE FIELD, they _MUST_ know that it's absolutely fake.

So, these people (let's say 200 million worldwide, though it's probably MUCH higher) all _KNOW_ for a fact that evolution is absolutely false and, by extension, must therefore know that Creationism is correct.

They _KNOW_, therefore, that they are going against God's will and will suffer in Hell forever as a result. They know the same fate will befall their loved ones.

AND, they are constantly having to fake all their work so that they can still produce results but without the primary mechanism involved in generating those results.

Yet, they all keep doing it. And for all this effort and eternal damnation for themselves and everyone they love, they earn a modest Middle Class income.

However, if they switched to any other profession, their lives would be a lot easier (since they wouldn't have to fake their work all the time), they'd make the same or more money, and they wouldn't face eternal damnation.

SCENARIO #2:
All 200 Million scientists are actually producing result using real science that actually works. They aren't lying to themselves and everyone else. They aren't involved in a massive global cover up.

But, the book that was written 6,000 years ago based on earlier Babylonian mythology is meant to be taken as an _ANALOGY_(which incidentally, is _EXACTLY_ what the Jews say and it is, after all, THEIR book).

It's just that a few religious fundamentalists in the US have forgotten the _ANALOGY_ part and are trying to look at the stories as if they are 100% scientifically accurate despite the fact that no evidence supports them and all evidence contradicts them.

So, using "common sense", which of these two scenarios makes the most sense?

#1) Massive worldwide scientific conspiracy involving fake results (which actually work) by scientists who have no reason to do so.

#2) A small group of American worshipers are misunderstanding the point of the stories (exactly like the people who's stories they are are saying is happening).

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96219 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I'm called to speak for Him. All of His children are called to speak for Him.
Oh really? I understand you are charged with spreading his word. I didn't realize he had also given you power-of-attorney.
imagine2011 wrote:
Lol! Pride and arrogance!
Precisely.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why would I submit myself to this thread of mocking, being called every name under the sun, just to try and show you a truth that is being purposely hidden from you (purposely hidden by the unbelievers) if I was proud and arrogant???
Martyr complex, I'd imagine. You guys love that stuff.
imagine2011 wrote:
If you don't believe what I tell you, then why would you think I'm proud of something you don't even believe?
No idea.
imagine2011 wrote:
Doesn't make common sense.
Nor does that sentence.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#96220 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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So, when we say that God always existed, you respond by saying "Who created God, He had to have a creator, He didn't come from nothing" ...or 'NOW' you say ..."NOTHING NEVER EXISTED"...or "The world was created from nothing"
If nothing never existed, who created the things that have 'always' existed?
Make up your mind.
If it were nothing (there wouldn't have even been a god)
Or the potential energy we say created it.
It's not a matter of making up my mind , my description fits the reality. Existence cannot be reduced to absolutely nothing, only to
appears to be nothing at a glance. There had to have been the potential of something, the singularity formed from this potential
or ground state.

If this potential or ground state had not existed, there would be nothing. It's that simple, but lets try it your way, you reduce everything to god. Then god is the potential to be something, but we can't find a god.

But we can find potentials in nothing, because nothing still contains something, we call it ZPE. maybe you think ZPE is god
but I call it the potential that exists when you take everything else away. It's the ground state energy.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#96221 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We don't have to ask where length, height or depth came from, we have already been told.
It's you guys that are still scratching your heads for an answer because you're too hardheaded to hear the truth.
Every "TRUTHFUL" discovery that you make, only proves God's existence and power.
Isaiah 44:24
This is what the LORD says&#8209;your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
Then you should have no problem communicating with god, and would have no need to ask me anything. So go ask god where time came from and quit spamming the forum with your ignorance of science. You and god can recite bible verses together.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96222 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I see, attacking the messenger and not actually listening to the message.
He used to be atheist and an evolution university professor until he came to know God and realized the instability of evolution.
He lost his job at the university because he told the truth about the flaws in evolution.
Well, he has now climbed his way back up out of poverty after being 'shunned' by the atheistic education system.
Why don't you listen to a few of his lectures before you can claim its nonsense.
Why do you always have to blindly follow your 'peers' who could well be lying thru their teeth to you, and you wouldn't even know it if you don't search for the truth on your own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =nfDB7OUBh-kXX
FLOOD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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He lost his job because he's a friggin loony.

http://janalanmckenzie.wordpress.com/2008/12/...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96223 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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There is certainly some undertone in his speeches that modern Israel is not the Israel of the bible and should not be accorded any legitimacy.
I have only listened to his comments about the Flood. He is so laughably wrong there it is ridiculous. And he does openly lie in those lectures.

I would not doubt that he could have some antisemitic leaning too.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96224 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I went to check out one of imagine's videos and found that typical of chickenshit creatards that the ability to comment had been turned off.
Creationists hate it when others point out how their nonsense is debunked by the real world.
You haven't had time to watch any of the videos. I see how much you want to be open minded to the other side of these issues.

What did you do? Just go there and try to make negative statements and then you left when you couldn't degrade someone?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96225 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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He lost his job because he's a friggin loony.
http://janalanmckenzie.wordpress.com/2008/12/...
Oh please, give me a break. These people are the loonies.

I can show you hundreds, if not thousands of comments from people who love his work.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96226 Aug 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I have only listened to his comments about the Flood. He is so laughably wrong there it is ridiculous. And he does openly lie in those lectures.
I would not doubt that he could have some antisemitic leaning too.
Like I said, you haven't had time to listen to the video.

You just have the mindset that you're not going to be open to any other ideas than your 'scientist' have brainwashed you to.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96227 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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He lost his job because he's a friggin loony.
http://janalanmckenzie.wordpress.com/2008/12/...
Oh, I forgot to add, the same university, after a few months of firing him, re-hired him saying he didn't have to teach evolution anymore.

Check it out.

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