Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Chimney1 wrote:
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Aspects of the bible have been proven myths in many ways. Especially the earliest parts. They simply do not stack up with the observable universe.
None of that means God doesn't exist but it does mean you are pretty silly to take the bible literally.
All religions are invention of humans but some of the interesting myths and tales may have some historical content/connection. However, religions then did shape societies and history and at times contributed to the richness of architectural and cultural developments. Some discoveries like yoga, etc are now used by all open minded modern lot.

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So, when we say that God always existed, you respond by saying "Who created God, He had to have a creator, He didn't come from nothing" ...or 'NOW' you say ..."NOTHING NEVER EXISTED"...or "The world was created from nothing"
If nothing never existed, who created the things that have 'always' existed?
Make up your mind.
You really, really don't understand how ANYTHING works, do you?

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We don't have to ask where length, height or depth came from, we have already been told.
It's you guys that are still scratching your heads for an answer because you're too hardheaded to hear the truth.
Every "TRUTHFUL" discovery that you make, only proves God's existence and power.
Isaiah 44:24
This is what the LORD says&#8209;your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
Mythology. Not evidence.
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There is no logical difference between saying God always existed and the universe always existed in some form even before the big bang.
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".

I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.

When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.

There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.

But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.

Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
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Dak-Original wrote:
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All religions are invention of humans but some of the interesting myths and tales may have some historical content/connection. However, religions then did shape societies and history and at times contributed to the richness of architectural and cultural developments. Some discoveries like yoga, etc are now used by all open minded modern lot.
Yoga as a physical stretching exercise is fine, but when you use it spiritually, emptying and opening your mind up to any thoughts, you are inviting spirits, of any kind, to invade your mind.

This is forbidden by God.
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<quoted text>You really, really don't understand how ANYTHING works, do you?
No... the statement is valid. It's just mathematically leads to divide-by-zero form of interpreting all existence.

Along with that flavor of irrationality, it's absurd to imagine a creator that would be able to pre-plan every aspect of our existence and who would be inclined to create us anyway.

For now, I still assume that any person preaching a creator is actually preaching a parental authority that they see themselves as and as being an authority over the rest of us.
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macumazahn wrote:
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Evolution is not a faith.
It's a conclusion.
It is a faith.

Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.

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imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>It is a faith.

Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.
And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?

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No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
Great. Please point the way to the proof of Noah's flood. No one else has been able to.

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No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.

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There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
So produce the evidence. All you are doing is saying there is some. That doesn't mean crap. Put up or shut up.
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You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".

but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.

The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.

People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...

Big difference in the outcome too.

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and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
imagine2011 wrote:
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
Blah, blah, blah.
imagine2011 wrote:
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?

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and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Nice assertions!

If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",

Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?

And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.

How is that 'working together'?
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And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?
Here are just a few, I'll be back with 'plenty' more.

The Taung child in South Africa. This fossil was once rejected as a human ancestor. It has since been accepted.

The Piltdown Hoax. A human skull and Orangutan’s jaw were altered to make evolution look credible.

The Nebraska Man. In 1917, geologist Harold Cook found a tooth. Scientists believed it was from an undiscovered ape, an ancestor of humans. However, in 1925 scientists discovered that the tooth actually belonged to an extinct pig.

Neanderthals. The original descriptions of the Neanderthal fossils were distorted to make the fossils seem more primitive than they are.

Ramapithecus. This species was once considered a human ancestor, but is now known only as a relative of the orangutan.

East African Volcanic Dating. There is a heated debate over the age of a volcanic layer that is associated with human fossils in East Africa.

Australopithecines. Paleoanthropologists Richard Leakey and Donald Johanson disagree on where the newer Lucy-type finds were located.

The Force of Change. There are ongoing conflicts about whether predation, hunting, or cooperation caused human evolution.

Lewin says this about the theory of human evolution:

In the physical realm, any theory of human evolution must explain how it was that an apelike ancestor, equipped with powerful jaws and long, daggerlike canine teeth and able to run at speed on four limbs, became transformed into a slow, bipedal animal whose natural means of defense were at best puny. Add to this the power of intellect, speech, and morality, upon which we “stand raised as upon the mountain top” as Huxley put it, and one has the complete challenge to the evolutionary theory.
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Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
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Blah, blah, blah.
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Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?
Not the same God.

Doesn't matter what they claim, its not the same God.

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There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
Sorry, if you are saying God had to exist to make the universe then you are only moving the goalposts. Who had to make god then? If you say God has always been that is exactly the same as saying the universe has always been in existence.

And no, there is no evidence of a flood.

Only people who are ignorant of geology would say anything so foolish.
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Kong_ wrote:
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And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?
This is just a few more, will be back with even more later.

Fossils prove a Flood


Evidence of an ancient worldwide Flood is very widespread in the fossil record. The mere fact that most fossils are embedded in deposits laid down by water indicates catastrophic formation.

Geologists recognize that "waterborne sediments are so much more widely distributed than all other agents of burial that they include the great majority of all fossils."i

Some fossils show immaculate preservation of detail and these creatures must have been buried instantly to prevent decay. The state of preservation can thus be an indication of how long the animals were exposed to the elements before they were buried.

In a flood scenario, some creatures would have remained uncovered longer than others. For example, we find perfectly preserved specimens of fossil fish, as well as specimens without heads or scales, and sometimes we find only the bones or pieces of specimens. During putrefaction, the scales and heads of fish drop off quite rapidly, and so it is clear that some were buried instantly while some floated before burial.

There are four major types of fossils:

1. Molds and casts, comprising footprints and molds that have been filled in with rock forming material.

2. Petrified fossils, or fossils turned to stone by replacement of the tissue with the elements of the surrounding strata.

3. Carbonized fossils, such as coal.

4. Unchanged fossils such as animals trapped in amber or the preserved parts of animals trapped in tar pits. Seashells and tooth and bone fragments also belong to this group.

Since fossilization requires very specific, complex conditions, the vastness of the fossil record does not support the idea of uniformitarianism. When we consider the giant dinosaur fossil, we ask, "What buried these creatures so quickly?"

Dinosaurs are sometimes found in relatively large numbers. They are mostly washed into position, with many of them showing distinct stream orientation. Scientists explain this by stating that these creatures lived in the plains and were periodically overcome by floods. However, these fossil beds often stretch over thousands of square kilometers, which would not be consistent with such a scenario.

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Not the same God.
Doesn't matter what they claim, its not the same God.
Because you speak for god, of course. Pride and arrogance.
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Kong_ wrote:
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Nice assertions!
If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",
Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?
And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.
How is that 'working together'?
Not all spirits are from God, remember Satan controls evil spirits that can actually control people who do not have the Holy Spirit inside of them.

Many denominations are not following the Spirit of God.

Does that make sense to you?

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