Evolution vs. Creation

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imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96178 Aug 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Then why aren't you asking where length or height or depth came from?
Time came from the same place they did.
We got them at the dimension store.
They came together in a package deal.
We don't have to ask where length, height or depth came from, we have already been told.

It's you guys that are still scratching your heads for an answer because you're too hardheaded to hear the truth.

Every "TRUTHFUL" discovery that you make, only proves God's existence and power.

Isaiah 44:24
This is what the LORD says&#8209;your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.

Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#96179 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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If you say we haven't proof that God exist, how can you say with certainty that the Bible has been proven to be a myth?
Answer: You can't...and you still don't know the truth about the origin of life (and you never will without faith in God) because you are blinded by "YOUR" religion and your "FAITH" of evolution ALONE.
*sigh*

Evolution is not a faith.

It's a conclusion.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96180 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Aspects of the bible have been proven myths in many ways. Especially the earliest parts. They simply do not stack up with the observable universe.
None of that means God doesn't exist but it does mean you are pretty silly to take the bible literally.
No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.

Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?

Science has became another political party, in a way.

There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.

Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.

Everyone is born as an enemy of God.

Everyone who is first born does not know God

and does not believe in God

and mocks God...

even every Christian on this thread.

When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
Dak-Original

Caerphilly, UK

#96181 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Aspects of the bible have been proven myths in many ways. Especially the earliest parts. They simply do not stack up with the observable universe.
None of that means God doesn't exist but it does mean you are pretty silly to take the bible literally.
All religions are invention of humans but some of the interesting myths and tales may have some historical content/connection. However, religions then did shape societies and history and at times contributed to the richness of architectural and cultural developments. Some discoveries like yoga, etc are now used by all open minded modern lot.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#96182 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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So, when we say that God always existed, you respond by saying "Who created God, He had to have a creator, He didn't come from nothing" ...or 'NOW' you say ..."NOTHING NEVER EXISTED"...or "The world was created from nothing"
If nothing never existed, who created the things that have 'always' existed?
Make up your mind.
You really, really don't understand how ANYTHING works, do you?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#96183 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We don't have to ask where length, height or depth came from, we have already been told.
It's you guys that are still scratching your heads for an answer because you're too hardheaded to hear the truth.
Every "TRUTHFUL" discovery that you make, only proves God's existence and power.
Isaiah 44:24
This is what the LORD says&#8209;your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Nehemiah 9:6
You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
Mythology. Not evidence.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96184 Aug 7, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed and the universe always existed in some form even before the big bang.
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".

I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.

When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.

There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.

But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.

Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96185 Aug 7, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
All religions are invention of humans but some of the interesting myths and tales may have some historical content/connection. However, religions then did shape societies and history and at times contributed to the richness of architectural and cultural developments. Some discoveries like yoga, etc are now used by all open minded modern lot.
Yoga as a physical stretching exercise is fine, but when you use it spiritually, emptying and opening your mind up to any thoughts, you are inviting spirits, of any kind, to invade your mind.

This is forbidden by God.
lil Abnoid

Los Angeles, CA

#96186 Aug 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You really, really don't understand how ANYTHING works, do you?
No... the statement is valid. It's just mathematically leads to divide-by-zero form of interpreting all existence.

Along with that flavor of irrationality, it's absurd to imagine a creator that would be able to pre-plan every aspect of our existence and who would be inclined to create us anyway.

For now, I still assume that any person preaching a creator is actually preaching a parental authority that they see themselves as and as being an authority over the rest of us.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96187 Aug 7, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*
Evolution is not a faith.
It's a conclusion.
It is a faith.

Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#96188 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>It is a faith.

Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.
And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96189 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
Great. Please point the way to the proof of Noah's flood. No one else has been able to.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96190 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96191 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
So produce the evidence. All you are doing is saying there is some. That doesn't mean crap. Put up or shut up.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96192 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".

but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.

The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.

People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...

Big difference in the outcome too.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96193 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
imagine2011 wrote:
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
Blah, blah, blah.
imagine2011 wrote:
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#96194 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Nice assertions!

If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",

Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?

And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.

How is that 'working together'?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96195 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?
Here are just a few, I'll be back with 'plenty' more.

The Taung child in South Africa. This fossil was once rejected as a human ancestor. It has since been accepted.

The Piltdown Hoax. A human skull and Orangutan’s jaw were altered to make evolution look credible.

The Nebraska Man. In 1917, geologist Harold Cook found a tooth. Scientists believed it was from an undiscovered ape, an ancestor of humans. However, in 1925 scientists discovered that the tooth actually belonged to an extinct pig.

Neanderthals. The original descriptions of the Neanderthal fossils were distorted to make the fossils seem more primitive than they are.

Ramapithecus. This species was once considered a human ancestor, but is now known only as a relative of the orangutan.

East African Volcanic Dating. There is a heated debate over the age of a volcanic layer that is associated with human fossils in East Africa.

Australopithecines. Paleoanthropologists Richard Leakey and Donald Johanson disagree on where the newer Lucy-type finds were located.

The Force of Change. There are ongoing conflicts about whether predation, hunting, or cooperation caused human evolution.

Lewin says this about the theory of human evolution:

In the physical realm, any theory of human evolution must explain how it was that an apelike ancestor, equipped with powerful jaws and long, daggerlike canine teeth and able to run at speed on four limbs, became transformed into a slow, bipedal animal whose natural means of defense were at best puny. Add to this the power of intellect, speech, and morality, upon which we “stand raised as upon the mountain top” as Huxley put it, and one has the complete challenge to the evolutionary theory.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96196 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
<quoted text>
Blah, blah, blah.
<quoted text>
Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?
Not the same God.

Doesn't matter what they claim, its not the same God.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96197 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
Sorry, if you are saying God had to exist to make the universe then you are only moving the goalposts. Who had to make god then? If you say God has always been that is exactly the same as saying the universe has always been in existence.

And no, there is no evidence of a flood.

Only people who are ignorant of geology would say anything so foolish.

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