Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 172001 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#96188 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>It is a faith.

Reason: you have faith in many of the 'conclusions' that have now been shown to have fatal flaws.
And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96189 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
Great. Please point the way to the proof of Noah's flood. No one else has been able to.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96190 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it means you believe anything that is told to people if it has the title of being a 'scientific research paper'. You have made scientists your 'god'.
Do you not know that men will lie to you for money, career, power, prestige?
Science has became another political party, in a way.
There is plenty of proof of a global flood but just as Bible scripture states, the unbelievers will do anything to hide the truth of God, and that's exactly what the majority of scientist are doing.
Remember, everyone is born without faith in God.
Everyone is born as an enemy of God.
Everyone who is first born does not know God
and does not believe in God
and mocks God...
even every Christian on this thread.
When we tell you what we now know about God, its not to show pride in ourselves, it is ONLY to help you.
You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96191 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
So produce the evidence. All you are doing is saying there is some. That doesn't mean crap. Put up or shut up.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96192 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
You ooze pride and arrogance, bub.
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".

but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.

The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.

People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...

Big difference in the outcome too.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96193 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
imagine2011 wrote:
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
Blah, blah, blah.
imagine2011 wrote:
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#96194 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
and....look who is talking...so do you, "Bub".
but you guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects.
The race of scientific discoveries and competition between you guys only confirms that this is a recipe for lies and deception to the world AND to each other.
People who believe in God, don't compete, we work together, helping each other learn the truth...
Big difference in the outcome too.
Nice assertions!

If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",

Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?

And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.

How is that 'working together'?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96195 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?
Here are just a few, I'll be back with 'plenty' more.

The Taung child in South Africa. This fossil was once rejected as a human ancestor. It has since been accepted.

The Piltdown Hoax. A human skull and Orangutan’s jaw were altered to make evolution look credible.

The Nebraska Man. In 1917, geologist Harold Cook found a tooth. Scientists believed it was from an undiscovered ape, an ancestor of humans. However, in 1925 scientists discovered that the tooth actually belonged to an extinct pig.

Neanderthals. The original descriptions of the Neanderthal fossils were distorted to make the fossils seem more primitive than they are.

Ramapithecus. This species was once considered a human ancestor, but is now known only as a relative of the orangutan.

East African Volcanic Dating. There is a heated debate over the age of a volcanic layer that is associated with human fossils in East Africa.

Australopithecines. Paleoanthropologists Richard Leakey and Donald Johanson disagree on where the newer Lucy-type finds were located.

The Force of Change. There are ongoing conflicts about whether predation, hunting, or cooperation caused human evolution.

Lewin says this about the theory of human evolution:

In the physical realm, any theory of human evolution must explain how it was that an apelike ancestor, equipped with powerful jaws and long, daggerlike canine teeth and able to run at speed on four limbs, became transformed into a slow, bipedal animal whose natural means of defense were at best puny. Add to this the power of intellect, speech, and morality, upon which we “stand raised as upon the mountain top” as Huxley put it, and one has the complete challenge to the evolutionary theory.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96196 Aug 7, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps. But I make attempt to fake humility as you do.
<quoted text>
Blah, blah, blah.
<quoted text>
Oh sure. You and the Muslims are getting along just famously, huh?
Not the same God.

Doesn't matter what they claim, its not the same God.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96197 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no logical difference between saying God always existed or the "NOTHING NEVER EXISTED".
I know which one makes more sense and that is God always existed.
When you read scripture and compare it to this universe, it all makes sense.
There is tons of proof there was a global flood. When you finally see that, then you will understand.
But, the scientist have wagered everything on the old statement that there was no flood.
Because if they acknowledge the flood, then they would have to acknowledge God and their house of 'evolution' cards would come falling down, and 'fast'.
Sorry, if you are saying God had to exist to make the universe then you are only moving the goalposts. Who had to make god then? If you say God has always been that is exactly the same as saying the universe has always been in existence.

And no, there is no evidence of a flood.

Only people who are ignorant of geology would say anything so foolish.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96198 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
And an example of one of those 'fatal flaws', please?
This is just a few more, will be back with even more later.

Fossils prove a Flood


Evidence of an ancient worldwide Flood is very widespread in the fossil record. The mere fact that most fossils are embedded in deposits laid down by water indicates catastrophic formation.

Geologists recognize that "waterborne sediments are so much more widely distributed than all other agents of burial that they include the great majority of all fossils."i

Some fossils show immaculate preservation of detail and these creatures must have been buried instantly to prevent decay. The state of preservation can thus be an indication of how long the animals were exposed to the elements before they were buried.

In a flood scenario, some creatures would have remained uncovered longer than others. For example, we find perfectly preserved specimens of fossil fish, as well as specimens without heads or scales, and sometimes we find only the bones or pieces of specimens. During putrefaction, the scales and heads of fish drop off quite rapidly, and so it is clear that some were buried instantly while some floated before burial.

There are four major types of fossils:

1. Molds and casts, comprising footprints and molds that have been filled in with rock forming material.

2. Petrified fossils, or fossils turned to stone by replacement of the tissue with the elements of the surrounding strata.

3. Carbonized fossils, such as coal.

4. Unchanged fossils such as animals trapped in amber or the preserved parts of animals trapped in tar pits. Seashells and tooth and bone fragments also belong to this group.

Since fossilization requires very specific, complex conditions, the vastness of the fossil record does not support the idea of uniformitarianism. When we consider the giant dinosaur fossil, we ask, "What buried these creatures so quickly?"

Dinosaurs are sometimes found in relatively large numbers. They are mostly washed into position, with many of them showing distinct stream orientation. Scientists explain this by stating that these creatures lived in the plains and were periodically overcome by floods. However, these fossil beds often stretch over thousands of square kilometers, which would not be consistent with such a scenario.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96199 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not the same God.
Doesn't matter what they claim, its not the same God.
Because you speak for god, of course. Pride and arrogance.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96200 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice assertions!
If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",
Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?
And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.
How is that 'working together'?
Not all spirits are from God, remember Satan controls evil spirits that can actually control people who do not have the Holy Spirit inside of them.

Many denominations are not following the Spirit of God.

Does that make sense to you?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96201 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are just a few, I'll be back with 'plenty' more.
The Taung child in South Africa. This fossil was once rejected as a human ancestor. It has since been accepted.
The Piltdown Hoax. A human skull and Orangutan’s jaw were altered to make evolution look credible.
The Nebraska Man. In 1917, geologist Harold Cook found a tooth. Scientists believed it was from an undiscovered ape, an ancestor of humans. However, in 1925 scientists discovered that the tooth actually belonged to an extinct pig.
Neanderthals. The original descriptions of the Neanderthal fossils were distorted to make the fossils seem more primitive than they are.
Ramapithecus. This species was once considered a human ancestor, but is now known only as a relative of the orangutan.
East African Volcanic Dating. There is a heated debate over the age of a volcanic layer that is associated with human fossils in East Africa.
Australopithecines. Paleoanthropologists Richard Leakey and Donald Johanson disagree on where the newer Lucy-type finds were located.
The Force of Change. There are ongoing conflicts about whether predation, hunting, or cooperation caused human evolution.
Lewin says this about the theory of human evolution:
In the physical realm, any theory of human evolution must explain how it was that an apelike ancestor, equipped with powerful jaws and long, daggerlike canine teeth and able to run at speed on four limbs, became transformed into a slow, bipedal animal whose natural means of defense were at best puny. Add to this the power of intellect, speech, and morality, upon which we “stand raised as upon the mountain top” as Huxley put it, and one has the complete challenge to the evolutionary theory.
Plagiarist.

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-fos...

And pals of Walter Veith no less. Haven't the Germans locked him up yet?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#96202 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just a few more, will be back with even more later.
Fossils prove a Flood
Evidence of an ancient worldwide Flood is very widespread in the fossil record. The mere fact that most fossils are embedded in deposits laid down by water indicates catastrophic formation.
Geologists recognize that "waterborne sediments are so much more widely distributed than all other agents of burial that they include the great majority of all fossils."i
Some fossils show immaculate preservation of detail and these creatures must have been buried instantly to prevent decay. The state of preservation can thus be an indication of how long the animals were exposed to the elements before they were buried.
In a flood scenario, some creatures would have remained uncovered longer than others. For example, we find perfectly preserved specimens of fossil fish, as well as specimens without heads or scales, and sometimes we find only the bones or pieces of specimens. During putrefaction, the scales and heads of fish drop off quite rapidly, and so it is clear that some were buried instantly while some floated before burial.
There are four major types of fossils:
1. Molds and casts, comprising footprints and molds that have been filled in with rock forming material.
2. Petrified fossils, or fossils turned to stone by replacement of the tissue with the elements of the surrounding strata.
3. Carbonized fossils, such as coal.
4. Unchanged fossils such as animals trapped in amber or the preserved parts of animals trapped in tar pits. Seashells and tooth and bone fragments also belong to this group.
Since fossilization requires very specific, complex conditions, the vastness of the fossil record does not support the idea of uniformitarianism. When we consider the giant dinosaur fossil, we ask, "What buried these creatures so quickly?"
Dinosaurs are sometimes found in relatively large numbers. They are mostly washed into position, with many of them showing distinct stream orientation. Scientists explain this by stating that these creatures lived in the plains and were periodically overcome by floods. However, these fossil beds often stretch over thousands of square kilometers, which would not be consistent with such a scenario.
There's hardly a geologist that wouldn't laugh his or her ass off at this nonsense.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#96203 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all spirits are from God, remember Satan controls evil spirits that can actually control people who do not have the Holy Spirit inside of them.
Many denominations are not following the Spirit of God.
Does that make sense to you?
PERFECT sense!

Whoever is not thinking EXACTLY like you specific denomination, using YOUR version of the Bible is being controlled by Satan.

Right?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96204 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice assertions!
If we "guys try and find discoveries while hiding your information from each other, while you work on your projects",
Then how is it YOU happened to stumble upon this 'hidden' information?
And there are about 41,000 different Christian denominations, and about 50 different English language versions of the Bible itself.
How is that 'working together'?
Where were you going in such a secretive hurry?

Kong wrote:
Went to the web site.

Saw the following in scanning the website:

"A New Type Of Science"

~ and ~

"‘The Parkes Principle of Attraction and Expansion’ is an entirely new type of science. It cannot be proven wrong because it uses everyday knowledge with very precise evidence. Some of which you will see on this web site.

This controversy has the same challenges as those discoveries of …..Copernicus, Galileo and Columbus."

I...okay...I'm uh, just going to back v - e - r - y slowly out of there.

"Nope. Nothing to see there! Gee, look at the time! Gotta go!"

<door slams>

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TRL...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96205 Aug 7, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
PERFECT sense!
Whoever is not thinking EXACTLY like you specific denomination, using YOUR version of the Bible is being controlled by Satan.
Right?
Either you have or you have not come to understand the spiritual world by now, it's only one or the other.

If you haven't yet, then this is the response I would expect.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96206 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just a few more, will be back with even more later.
Fossils prove a Flood
Evidence of an ancient worldwide Flood is very widespread in the fossil record. The mere fact that most fossils are embedded in deposits laid down by water indicates catastrophic formation.
Geologists recognize that "waterborne sediments are so much more widely distributed than all other agents of burial that they include the great majority of all fossils."i
Some fossils show immaculate preservation of detail and these creatures must have been buried instantly to prevent decay. The state of preservation can thus be an indication of how long the animals were exposed to the elements before they were buried.
In a flood scenario, some creatures would have remained uncovered longer than others. For example, we find perfectly preserved specimens of fossil fish, as well as specimens without heads or scales, and sometimes we find only the bones or pieces of specimens. During putrefaction, the scales and heads of fish drop off quite rapidly, and so it is clear that some were buried instantly while some floated before burial.
There are four major types of fossils:
1. Molds and casts, comprising footprints and molds that have been filled in with rock forming material.
2. Petrified fossils, or fossils turned to stone by replacement of the tissue with the elements of the surrounding strata.
3. Carbonized fossils, such as coal.
4. Unchanged fossils such as animals trapped in amber or the preserved parts of animals trapped in tar pits. Seashells and tooth and bone fragments also belong to this group.
Since fossilization requires very specific, complex conditions, the vastness of the fossil record does not support the idea of uniformitarianism. When we consider the giant dinosaur fossil, we ask, "What buried these creatures so quickly?"
Dinosaurs are sometimes found in relatively large numbers. They are mostly washed into position, with many of them showing distinct stream orientation. Scientists explain this by stating that these creatures lived in the plains and were periodically overcome by floods. However, these fossil beds often stretch over thousands of square kilometers, which would not be consistent with such a scenario.
Yes, most sedimentary rocks are from water borne deposits.

So what?

They are not from flood deposits.

We can tell how long it would take certain deposits to lay down. Varves for example are a yearly and extremely rarely twice a year process. There are some varves over a million layers in extent, that means it took more than a million years to lay them down.

Here is a simple question even you can answer:

Does ice float in your world? There are over 500,000 years of ice layers in the Antarctic. If there was a flood it would have all floated away.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96207 Aug 7, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where were you going in such a secretive hurry?
Kong wrote:
Went to the web site.
Saw the following in scanning the website:
"A New Type Of Science"
~ and ~
"‘The Parkes Principle of Attraction and Expansion’ is an entirely new type of science. It cannot be proven wrong because it uses everyday knowledge with very precise evidence. Some of which you will see on this web site.
This controversy has the same challenges as those discoveries of …..Copernicus, Galileo and Columbus."
I...okay...I'm uh, just going to back v - e - r - y slowly out of there.
"Nope. Nothing to see there! Gee, look at the time! Gotta go!"
<door slams>
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TRL...
Do we need a better example that creatards do not have a sense of humor? Even when other creatards are not involved.

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