Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209638 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#96154 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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dan do you believe there is a God or gods?
I am a Christian and believe in God. I am a Methodist if that helps. Now was that so hard to actually ask a meaningful question?

Of course now you will perhaps feel justified in calling me a false Christian or a liar. Feel free if that is what you choose to do. Keep in mind that I don't consider religious views directly relevant to science and that this is a science forum.

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#96155 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I am quite aware that time does have different speed depending on gravity.
That's not the question.
The question is.
In the Big Bang theory where did time come from.
We know for a fact that nothing can exist with out time. The BB claims time started 13.7 billion years ago.
So where did time come from?
Oh, and now you can stop complaining that the question was dodged. I think I covered that too.

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#96156 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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WRONG. Time cannot be stopped.
If time stopped all matter, space, and energy would stop existing.
You seem to be considering time as a physical property, which is most certainly not - time is a reference, a dimension. Time can be slowed in reference to C, and may also be absent.

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#96157 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
I am quite aware that time does have different speed depending on gravity.
That's not the question.
The question is.
In the Big Bang theory where did time come from.
We know for a fact that nothing can exist with out time. The BB claims time started 13.7 billion years ago.
So where did time come from?
No the questions are....
1. "Does time even exist?"
2. "Does time exist beyond human perception?"

1a. As a inseparable and intertwined property of this universe.

2. I think it does but humans are limited to a single perception of it, where clearly there is a dimensional quality we struggle to comprehend. We are physically bound to a single clock, but we can alter our clock's rate. Once we have changed our clock, it is no longer synchronized with the first clock.

1b. There could be clocks not associated with the clock we were originally bound to.

2b. We cannot tell where the original clock started, possibly in another universe.
But our proper clock (The one we are bound to)
started 13.7 +- a billion years ago.

Understanding these things makes the question where did time come from irrelevant. But for posterity understand time is a dimensional
quality that always existed in any instance requiring a clock.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96158 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You are dead wrong time cannot be stopped. There are black holes all over the universe but yet here I am experiencing Time. That's either weird or the two of you are wrong.
I'm guessing that later.
Yes, time is local. It is not the same everywhere.

You were given two examples of how time could be stopped. Did you not understand them or are you just a denying idiot?

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#96159 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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WRONG. Time cannot be stopped.
If time stopped all matter, space, and energy would stop existing.
Clearly that isn't the truth.
The evidence says if time stops the clock simply quits ticking.
If time stopped on a universal scale, we wouldn't even have ever known it. But we can alter the ticks of clocks within the original
clock that started 13.7 bya.

Your question should be is the original clock, within another clock, or are there other clocks ? We simply cannot answer that.
But there most likely is. But more importantly ask the question
of whether we can detect the presence of a previous clock.
It maybe possible, and we maybe able to do this soon, with the Webb telescope after it gets in position and looks back toward the beginning.
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#96160 Aug 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>No the questions are....
1. "Does time even exist?"
2. "Does time exist beyond human perception?"

1a. As a inseparable and intertwined property of this universe.

2. I think it does but humans are limited to a single perception of it, where clearly there is a dimensional quality we struggle to comprehend. We are physically bound to a single clock, but we can alter our clock's rate. Once we have changed our clock, it is no longer synchronized with the first clock.

1b. There could be clocks not associated with the clock we were originally bound to.

2b. We cannot tell where the original clock started, possibly in another universe.
But our proper clock (The one we are bound to)
started 13.7 +- a billion years ago.

Understanding these things makes the question where did time come from irrelevant. But for posterity understand time is a dimensional
quality that always existed in any instance requiring a clock.
1) yes
2) at this time we can not say for sure
1a) yes
2b) a guess

"Understanding these things makes the question where did time come from irrelevant."

WRONG.
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#96161 Aug 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, time is local. It is not the same everywhere.

You were given two examples of how time could be stopped. Did you not understand them or are you just a denying idiot?
You are wrong time can't be stopped.
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#96162 Aug 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Clearly that isn't the truth.
The evidence says if time stops the clock simply quits ticking.
If time stopped on a universal scale, we wouldn't even have ever known it. But we can alter the ticks of clocks within the original
clock that started 13.7 bya.

Your question should be is the original clock, within another clock, or are there other clocks ? We simply cannot answer that.
But there most likely is. But more importantly ask the question
of whether we can detect the presence of a previous clock.
It maybe possible, and we maybe able to do this soon, with the Webb telescope after it gets in position and looks back toward the beginning.
You're half right. If time stopped we would not know it. But we do know we would no longer exist. We exist so time has never stopped.

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St. Croix valley

#96163 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
I am quite aware that time does have different speed depending on gravity.
That's not the question.
The question is.
In the Big Bang theory where did time come from.
We know for a fact that nothing can exist with out time. The BB claims time started 13.7 billion years ago.
So where did time come from?
a singularity can exist without time, and for our purposes the singularity of the big bang was everything...

sorry charlie...
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#96164 Aug 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>a singularity can exist without time, and for our purposes the singularity of the big bang was everything...

sorry charlie...
"our purposes the singularity of the big bang was everything"

That's how you work leave the real world out of your guess that you call theory's. LOL

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#96165 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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1) yes
2) at this time we can not say for sure
1a) yes
2b) a guess
"Understanding these things makes the question where did time come from irrelevant."
WRONG.
Then why aren't you asking where length or height or depth came from?
Time came from the same place they did.
We got them at the dimension store.
They came together in a package deal.

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St. Croix valley

#96166 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"our purposes the singularity of the big bang was everything"
That's how you work leave the real world out of your guess that you call theory's. LOL
nice sentence structure much?

what i stated IS the real world.

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#96167 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You are wrong time can't be stopped.
Aah, you are a denying idiot.

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Everett, WA

#96168 Aug 6, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You're half right. If time stopped we would not know it. But we do know we would no longer exist. We exist so time has never stopped.
Yes, for you it is impossible to stop time. You will never find yourself falling into a black hole. Nor will you ever approach the speed of light.

For a photon or something that falls into a black hole that is not the case. A photon experiences no time. To a photon it is everywhere along its path instantaneously.

I gave you a reference that supported my beliefs, what do you have that supports yours??

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St. Croix valley

#96169 Aug 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, for you it is impossible to stop time. You will never find yourself falling into a black hole. Nor will you ever approach the speed of light.
For a photon or something that falls into a black hole that is not the case. A photon experiences no time. To a photon it is everywhere along its path instantaneously.
I gave you a reference that supported my beliefs, what do you have that supports yours??
a book full of proven myths....

his cult lied to him...again...

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#96171 Aug 7, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You are wrong time can't be stopped.
Time is a vector quantity.

Now imagine 2 time vectors, one at right angles to the other. An infinity of time can elapse on one before a moment passes on the other. In that sense you would say time has stopped for whatever reference frame is at right angles to your own.

And thats about the size of it. Time slowing or stopping is merely one vector out of parallel with another.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96172 Aug 7, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>a book full of proven myths....
his cult lied to him...again...
If you say we haven't proof that God exist, how can you say with certainty that the Bible has been proven to be a myth?

Answer: You can't...and you still don't know the truth about the origin of life (and you never will without faith in God) because you are blinded by "YOUR" religion and your "FAITH" of evolution ALONE.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#96174 Aug 7, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> When did nothing ever exist?
"Nothing" never existed.
It is impossible for nothing to exist.
If nothing existed, there would be nothing.
Time existed the whole time it existed.
So, when we say that God always existed, you respond by saying "Who created God, He had to have a creator, He didn't come from nothing" ...or 'NOW' you say ..."NOTHING NEVER EXISTED"...or "The world was created from nothing"

If nothing never existed, who created the things that have 'always' existed?

Make up your mind.
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#96175 Aug 7, 2013
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