Evolution vs. Creation

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#96033 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Nothing can exist with out time.
Nothing can change with out time.
Nothing can happen with out time.
Per science time started 13.7 billion years ago. Where did time come from?
no time, no cause and effect. No cause and effect, no need for a "place" for time to "come from", a "being" to "create" it or a "cause" to "start" it. Your reasoning is stuck on and in time.

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#96034 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You are wrong, evolution starts with the first life form to today, I would call that a pretty complete tale of the origin of life on this planet.
Correct. Evolution STARTS with the first life... it doesn't matter how that first life started.

Stick with stupid... it's what you do best.

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#96035 Aug 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Ya see?
There you go again. Just when we thought you had it correct.
Evolution does not start until the first living organism.
NOT in the development of that organism, but AFTER that critter got going!
He's to wrapped up in being stupid that he just can't admit the obvious things staring him in the face

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#96036 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing can exist with out time.
Nothing can change with out time.
Nothing can happen with out time.
Per science time started 13.7 billion years ago. Where did time come from?
"Nothing can exist with out time."

Nothing you know of can anyway, but how do you know "nothing" can exist. And why would "nothing" need time to exist?

"Nothing can change with out time."

Bingo, nothing can happen that we can observe without an elapsed time counting it. But if time were frozen right now , for an instant does anything exist in the duration, within the instant of frozen time?

"Nothing can happen with out time."

Time was frozen for an instant, can time resume?
If it cannot , nothing will happen again, but does it still exist?
If time cannot resume after the instant, then nothing ever existed.

Q- Can "nothing" exist? Answer the questions The Almighty Tzar.

Can "nothing" exist? What is nothing? Can nothing begin?
Can nothing start?
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#96037 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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There is no proof discrediting creation.
2003 Genome Project was the last nail!

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96039 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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There is no proof discrediting creation.
What? English please.

We do have evidence that shows the creation myth of Genesis never happened.

And you need to remember, to even consider that something is possibly true it is the onus of the person making a positive claim to submit evidence supporting their claim. If you want anyone to believe your creation story you need to show some evidence.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96040 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What? English please.
We do have evidence that shows...
Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?

Or does this not apply to you?
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And you need to remember, to even consider that something is possibly true it is the onus of the person making a positive claim to submit evidence supporting their claim. If you want anyone to believe your story you need to show some evidence...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96041 Aug 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nothing can exist with out time."
Nothing you know of can anyway, but how do you know "nothing" can exist. And why would "nothing" need time to exist?
"Nothing can change with out time."
Bingo, nothing can happen that we can observe without an elapsed time counting it. But if time were frozen right now , for an instant does anything exist in the duration, within the instant of frozen time?
"Nothing can happen with out time."
Time was frozen for an instant, can time resume?
If it cannot , nothing will happen again, but does it still exist?
If time cannot resume after the instant, then nothing ever existed.
Q- Can "nothing" exist? Answer the questions The Almighty Tzar.
Can "nothing" exist? What is nothing? Can nothing begin?
Can nothing start?
Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,

Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?

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Everett, WA

#96042 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?
Or does this not apply to you?<quoted text>
Sure I can post links to evidence or tell you what the evidence is.

You can go look for it yourself.

What do you want to know?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96043 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure I can post links to evidence or tell you what the evidence is.
You can go look for it yourself.
What do you want to know?
How would you define the term "information"?

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#96044 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
Are you in a habit of asking questions you answer with the question?
How about this do you have fingers?

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Since: Jun 11

Atlanta Georgia

#96045 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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There is no proof discrediting creation.
There is plenty of proof discrediting Biblical creation. So much in fact that your belief is disproven.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96046 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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How would you define the term "information"?
There are all sorts of information. We have fossils. Dateable rocks. Ice layers that tell us there was no flood. There is all sorts of biological information. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Flood. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Adam and Eve.

What sort of information do you want? If it is a reasonable request I am sure that we have it.

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#96047 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
As in absence of photons or absence of neural activity?
Yes. In the depths of a cavern.
Yes. Every Sunday morning from 8 to 10.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#96048 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?
Or does this not apply to you?<quoted text>
the Genesis god can't even get his own creation myth correct? i think that sums up the proof that this god is a proven myth, as is the creation myth created by humans along with this 'god'...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96049 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
There are all sorts of information. We have fossils. Dateable rocks. Ice layers that tell us there was no flood. There is all sorts of biological information. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Flood. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Adam and Eve.
What sort of information do you want? If it is a reasonable request I am sure that we have it.
Let us start with (YOUR) definition for the term "information"

This is a very reasonable request.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96050 Aug 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Are you in a habit of asking questions you answer with the question?
How about this do you have fingers?
It worked for Socrates! I take it you are a Sophist no doubt?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96051 Aug 4, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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There is plenty of proof discrediting Biblical creation. So much in fact that your belief is disproven.
Slow down lunch meat!!! I never proposed a Biblical creation in my argument, so NO you have disproved nothing!

Now run along and go play with something that glitters...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96052 Aug 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the Genesis god can't even get his own creation myth correct? i think that sums up the proof that this god is a proven myth, as is the creation myth created by humans along with this 'god'...
The lack of ability you helmet wearing fools display is nothing short of amazing, Who brought up Genesis? Not me.

Get back on the porch with the puppies, ok sweet pee, lol

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#96053 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
Dark is a condition that absorbs or is non reactive to EM.
So it can either signify the presence of something with those properties or the absence of anything with those properties.
So the answer is darkness is a description of the existence of these properties or a state specifically meeting those conditions.

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