Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164113 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96039 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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There is no proof discrediting creation.
What? English please.

We do have evidence that shows the creation myth of Genesis never happened.

And you need to remember, to even consider that something is possibly true it is the onus of the person making a positive claim to submit evidence supporting their claim. If you want anyone to believe your creation story you need to show some evidence.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96040 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
What? English please.
We do have evidence that shows...
Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?

Or does this not apply to you?
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And you need to remember, to even consider that something is possibly true it is the onus of the person making a positive claim to submit evidence supporting their claim. If you want anyone to believe your story you need to show some evidence...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96041 Aug 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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"Nothing can exist with out time."
Nothing you know of can anyway, but how do you know "nothing" can exist. And why would "nothing" need time to exist?
"Nothing can change with out time."
Bingo, nothing can happen that we can observe without an elapsed time counting it. But if time were frozen right now , for an instant does anything exist in the duration, within the instant of frozen time?
"Nothing can happen with out time."
Time was frozen for an instant, can time resume?
If it cannot , nothing will happen again, but does it still exist?
If time cannot resume after the instant, then nothing ever existed.
Q- Can "nothing" exist? Answer the questions The Almighty Tzar.
Can "nothing" exist? What is nothing? Can nothing begin?
Can nothing start?
Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,

Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96042 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?
Or does this not apply to you?<quoted text>
Sure I can post links to evidence or tell you what the evidence is.

You can go look for it yourself.

What do you want to know?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96043 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure I can post links to evidence or tell you what the evidence is.
You can go look for it yourself.
What do you want to know?
How would you define the term "information"?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

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#96044 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
Are you in a habit of asking questions you answer with the question?
How about this do you have fingers?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#96045 Aug 4, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no proof discrediting creation.
There is plenty of proof discrediting Biblical creation. So much in fact that your belief is disproven.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#96046 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you define the term "information"?
There are all sorts of information. We have fossils. Dateable rocks. Ice layers that tell us there was no flood. There is all sorts of biological information. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Flood. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Adam and Eve.

What sort of information do you want? If it is a reasonable request I am sure that we have it.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#96047 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
As in absence of photons or absence of neural activity?
Yes. In the depths of a cavern.
Yes. Every Sunday morning from 8 to 10.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#96048 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Can you demonstrate this evidence or are you limited to posting links to have others with the same bias make your argument?
Or does this not apply to you?<quoted text>
the Genesis god can't even get his own creation myth correct? i think that sums up the proof that this god is a proven myth, as is the creation myth created by humans along with this 'god'...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96049 Aug 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
There are all sorts of information. We have fossils. Dateable rocks. Ice layers that tell us there was no flood. There is all sorts of biological information. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Flood. There is the diversity of DNA that shows there was no Adam and Eve.
What sort of information do you want? If it is a reasonable request I am sure that we have it.
Let us start with (YOUR) definition for the term "information"

This is a very reasonable request.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96050 Aug 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Are you in a habit of asking questions you answer with the question?
How about this do you have fingers?
It worked for Socrates! I take it you are a Sophist no doubt?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96051 Aug 4, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
There is plenty of proof discrediting Biblical creation. So much in fact that your belief is disproven.
Slow down lunch meat!!! I never proposed a Biblical creation in my argument, so NO you have disproved nothing!

Now run along and go play with something that glitters...
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96052 Aug 4, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the Genesis god can't even get his own creation myth correct? i think that sums up the proof that this god is a proven myth, as is the creation myth created by humans along with this 'god'...
The lack of ability you helmet wearing fools display is nothing short of amazing, Who brought up Genesis? Not me.

Get back on the porch with the puppies, ok sweet pee, lol

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#96053 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>Just a little something to take with you down this rabbit hole,
Darkness is the absence of light. So does darkness exist?
Dark is a condition that absorbs or is non reactive to EM.
So it can either signify the presence of something with those properties or the absence of anything with those properties.
So the answer is darkness is a description of the existence of these properties or a state specifically meeting those conditions.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

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#96054 Aug 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
It worked for Socrates! I take it you are a Sophist no doubt?
Actually I'm a baritone.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#96055 Aug 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Dark is a condition that absorbs or is non reactive to EM.
So it can either signify the presence of something with those properties or the absence of anything with those properties.
So the answer is darkness is a description of the existence of these properties or a state specifically meeting those conditions.
I agree with your definition.

Now, let me bring you back to where we started...
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nothing can exist with out time."
Nothing you know of can anyway, but how do you know "nothing" can exist. And why would "nothing" need time to exist?
"Nothing can change with out time."
Bingo, nothing can happen that we can observe without an elapsed time counting it. But if time were frozen right now , for an instant does anything exist in the duration, within the instant of frozen time?
"Nothing can happen with out time."
Time was frozen for an instant, can time resume?
If it cannot , nothing will happen again, but does it still exist?
If time cannot resume after the instant, then nothing ever existed.
Q- Can "nothing" exist? Answer the questions The Almighty Tzar.
Can "nothing" exist? What is nothing? Can nothing begin?
Can nothing start?
So would you accept the following answer that you provided above?
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> NOTHING is a condition...
...the absence of anything with those properties.
So the answer is NOTHING is a description of the existence of a state specifically meeting those conditions.
Thoughts?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

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#96056 Aug 5, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with your definition.
Now, let me bring you back to where we started...
<quoted text>
So would you accept the following answer that you provided above?
<quoted text>
Thoughts?
They are not related, you will have to be specific.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#96058 Aug 5, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with your definition.
Now, let me bring you back to where we started...
<quoted text>
So would you accept the following answer that you provided above?
<quoted text>
Thoughts?
Darkness or dark is not describing a state of nothing, it is a condition that either does not react or absorbs photons, that means it can be empty space, or matter that is dark.
Empty space is not completely empty, but can lack sufficient matter to reflect or react with light.

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#96059 Aug 5, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you define the term "information"?
I would define it as a departure from randomness and that is, put basically, how mathematicians and engineers understand it.

They can also see that an iterative process of random variation plus non random selectioncan result in an increase in information.

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