Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Cybele wrote:
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Some scientists believe that both explosion and expansion of the universe are real.
Indeed they are. But they are only related to each other, not the same thing.

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<quoted text>you are the one that brought fusion and exploding stars into the conversation, dear!
man, you can't even keep your own bullshit straight, can you?
then what exactly did you mean when you said "there was no explosion"

and then agreeing with Aura Mythra's definition?

Wow. You are a dense gas.
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Once SETI has a continuous lock on every radio frequency in the entire universe for eternity, then you can pronounce SETI a "failure".
SETI is privately funded. NO government funding whatsoever.
For mankind even to ASK a question re: "Is there anybody out there?", and the capacity to act on that initiative is beyond your simple understanding.
Sorry for you.
"Once SETI has......" Listen Kong, the intelligence humans seek to contact dont use or want to understand primitive technology...if you could call it technology. So Dong, sending primitive radio waves to intercept.......a ghost ...where is the logic dong? Humans are convinced that an highly advanced race would want to contact them......dont think so kong.Its just better that the primitive human animal take the Bible story an stick to it like glue.....clueless and primitive....nice. Trust me Dong, they want nothing to do with human anything. Wait, they study and munipulate the human race.....contact....the ghost in your dreams Gong.

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then what exactly did you mean when you said "there was no explosion"
and then agreeing with Aura Mythra's definition?
Wow. You are a dense gas.
i meant there was no explosion.
how hard is that to understand.
there was no reason for you to bring in the topic of stars exploding or nuclear fusion as those have nothing to do with the expansion of the universe.
again, you clearly do not have an inkling of the topic you are attempting to talk about...

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Hulu wrote:
<quoted text>"Once SETI has......" Listen Kong, the intelligence humans seek to contact dont use or want to understand primitive technology...if you could call it technology. So Dong, sending primitive radio waves to intercept.......a ghost ...where is the logic dong? Humans are convinced that an highly advanced race would want to contact them......dont think so kong.Its just better that the primitive human animal take the Bible story an stick to it like glue.....clueless and primitive....nice. Trust me Dong, they want nothing to do with human anything. Wait, they study and munipulate the human race.....contact....the ghost in your dreams Gong.
so they never used radio?

you do realize that electromagnetic waves do have a finite speed in the universe , don't you?

can you put these two ideas together?
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<quoted text>so they never used radio?
you do realize that electromagnetic waves do have a finite speed in the universe , don't you?
can you put these two ideas together?
Woody, I highly doubt that me knowing anything about electro anything would change the fact that humans understand two things.....God created the universe and The Bang was Big.......or evolution did this. So, woody humans have no chance with the brain matter today of understanding what is truely out in the darkness.....and from what I see its highly probable any chance before extinction of this primitive species.

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<quoted text>Woody, I highly doubt that me knowing anything about electro anything would change the fact that humans understand two things.....God created the universe and The Bang was Big.......or evolution did this. So, woody humans have no chance with the brain matter today of understanding what is truely out in the darkness.....and from what I see its highly probable any chance before extinction of this primitive species.
so no, you could not put those two ideas together...

this may be futile, but i should at least try...
at one time, even a further advanced civilization than us, if there are indeed civilizations more advanced than us, would have at one time probably used radio waves.(electromagnetic waves) those waves take millions of years to cross the expanse of interstellar space, so we might be able to pick up the broadcasts sent out millions of years ago by those beings...

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Aug 1, 2013
 
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i meant there was no explosion.
how hard is that to understand.
there was no reason for you to bring in the topic of stars exploding or nuclear fusion as those have nothing to do with the expansion of the universe.
again, you clearly do not have an inkling of the topic you are attempting to talk about...
Please explain how the universe expands then.

Here's a video, if you notice even in the atomic level, an explosion occurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Pretty cool
Interesting isn't it

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Please explain how the universe expands then.
Here's a video, if you notice even in the atomic level, an explosion occurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
It ate too many donuts.

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It ate too many donuts.
and pop corn.

kids next door are playing with firecrackers right now!

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To be frank, your answers remind me of Atty Gen. Holder on the congressional witness stand when asked when he first learned of the 'Fast and Furious' operation. He responded; "I don't understand the question".
You are still avoiding the question concerning obvious failures of logic dealing with complexity and perfect molecular efficiency of the cell, showing convergent and common design from the very first bacteria on for supposedly 3.6 billion years. DNA for particular "kinds" have boundaries, the study I linked has finally locked your side out of its last and futile 'mutation' argument against ID in explaining life. A 3 dimensional code requires intelligence.
I wonder how many "possibly yes, possibly no" statements by Dr. Patterson were "edited" out of his last edition. It was his favorite comment on evolution.
http://www.garvan.org.au/news-events/news/the...
To be frank, I find a person that would knowingly misrepresent a dead man, to be lowlife coward. Any other defenseless people you want to exploit? I hope you haven't tried your hand with children.

I am not avoiding any questions, since none were asked. I have responded to a completely misleading attack on the words of man no longer alive and capable of defending himself from self serving cowards. However, and this is completely clear, he defended himself from your type vigorously when alive.

I am not surprised how you end your post with another slimy attack on a defenseless person. He wrote two books and numerous papers about evolution and spared no effort since that 1981 meeting in making his true position supporting evolution known. Surfing this wave of lies and intellectual brutality is the action of a foul, scare, little coward and not that of an honest Christian.

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BREAK TIME.. GEt your FOZZILIZED RED HOTS... RIGHT HERE!!!

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BREAK TIME.. GEt your FOZZILIZED RED HOTS... RIGHT HERE!!!
Yer boobs are fossilized? hahahah j/k
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The former secretary general of UN, Kofi Annan was confused and faulty, did his job poorly and failed the position at that time as what left out now is the destructive mess in Iraq.
All UN members must refine specifications for current and future UN secretaries to base on in their responsibilities of non-biased way of UN doctrine.
First, UN was in no way to be shut out of UN inspection by being forced out by US because of Bush, when Iraq was offering unconditionally for UN inspection for allowing whatever time it would take and anywhere to go to, including all palaces.
Not only that US violated the procedure of inspection, UN was in no way to get into Iraq matters as the process of procedural inspection first was incomplete not due to invalid reasons.
Once UN inspection had all ample opportunities to do so but was forced out, UN must just stand by the side, and that would still be UN members to argue and figure out, instead of getting into supporting it and UN should be blamed owing to Annan.
UN should not have been getting into the case of current Iraq at all about anything else because there was no agenda at any given time of calling democracy and liberation, other on the subject of WMD all ALONG.
The sole and only agenda of UN business was all about UN inspection of WMD merely. Anything outside the WMD business could not be authorized at all, thus. When that was the case, under no conditions would UN get into it all of a sudden when other Security Council members voiced continuing inspection. US already breached the inspection matter by forcing out UN inspectors without all member approval, how would UN get involved in the Iraq case of liberation?
Kofi Annan must be held faulty in the failure so created in UN regarding the current Iraq of troubling volatile violences as well, which did not meet the UN validity of Security Council by impartiality.
If Annan did it properly and let UN inspection go on to the final end and find out there was indeed no WMD, invasion or not proves all the same thing, then it would not be the very bad happenings in the Iraq daily unrest these days. Today, the appearance OF IRAQ IS ALL ABOUT DAILY BOMBINGS THAT STAND OUT very explicitly, vividly, BUT NOT ABOUT THE LOOK OF DEMOCRACY of a nation AS THESE ARE VIEWS, OF WHICH IRAQ SHOWS TO THE WORLD.
There had never been an agenda of overthrowing Saddam as UN matter. Since if after inspection as Iraq had no WMD, in no way Saddam was able to do any harms and threats to anyone in the region or elsewhere.
If they could get rid of Saddam by other means without causing huge bad conditions and the making of troublesome current situation, that is other people's business because it was not a global public matter.
UN only deals with public agenda. If Saddam was US matter, they could do their own things elsewhere.
US had violated many rules alone in such doing, in addition to making the awful and disgusting situation of Iraq currently and must be held responsible regard such and must not repeat again. All member nations and UN must be noting this effect of procedural violations and oversee no more such committed.
All UN members must refine specifications for current and future UN secretaries to base on in their responsibilities of non-biased way of UN doctrine.

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The former secretary general of UN, Kofi Annan was confused and faulty, did his job poorly and failed the position at that time as what left out now is the destructive mess in Iraq.
All UN members must refine specifications for current and future UN secretaries to base on in their responsibilities of non-biased way of UN doctrine.
First, UN was in no way to be shut out of UN inspection by being forced out by US because of Bush, when Iraq was offering unconditionally for UN inspection for allowing whatever time it would take and anywhere to go to, including all palaces.
Not only that US violated the procedure of inspection, UN was in no way to get into Iraq matters as the process of procedural inspection first was incomplete not due to invalid reasons.
Once UN inspection had all ample opportunities to do so but was forced out, UN must just stand by the side, and that would still be UN members to argue and figure out, instead of getting into supporting it and UN should be blamed owing to Annan.
UN should not have been getting into the case of current Iraq at all about anything else because there was no agenda at any given time of calling democracy and liberation, other on the subject of WMD all ALONG.
The sole and only agenda of UN business was all about UN inspection of WMD merely. Anything outside the WMD business could not be authorized at all, thus. When that was the case, under no conditions would UN get into it all of a sudden when other Security Council members voiced continuing inspection. US already breached the inspection matter by forcing out UN inspectors without all member approval, how would UN get involved in the Iraq case of liberation?
Kofi Annan must be held faulty in the failure so created in UN regarding the current Iraq of troubling volatile violences as well, which did not meet the UN validity of Security Council by impartiality.
If Annan did it properly and let UN inspection go on to the final end and find out there was indeed no WMD, invasion or not proves all the same thing, then it would not be the very bad happenings in the Iraq daily unrest these days. Today, the appearance OF IRAQ IS ALL ABOUT DAILY BOMBINGS THAT STAND OUT very explicitly, vividly, BUT NOT ABOUT THE LOOK OF DEMOCRACY of a nation AS THESE ARE VIEWS, OF WHICH IRAQ SHOWS TO THE WORLD.
There had never been an agenda of overthrowing Saddam as UN matter. Since if after inspection as Iraq had no WMD, in no way Saddam was able to do any harms and threats to anyone in the region or elsewhere.
If they could get rid of Saddam by other means without causing huge bad conditions and the making of troublesome current situation, that is other people's business because it was not a global public matter.
UN only deals with public agenda. If Saddam was US matter, they could do their own things elsewhere.
US had violated many rules alone in such doing, in addition to making the awful and disgusting situation of Iraq currently and must be held responsible regard such and must not repeat again. All member nations and UN must be noting this effect of procedural violations and oversee no more such committed.
All UN members must refine specifications for current and future UN secretaries to base on in their responsibilities of non-biased way of UN doctrine.
Meaningless tripe in light of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_S...

And this.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/...

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<quoted text>Woody, I highly doubt that me knowing anything about electro anything would change the fact that humans understand two things.....God created the universe and The Bang was Big.......or evolution did this. So, woody humans have no chance with the brain matter today of understanding what is truely out in the darkness.....and from what I see its highly probable any chance before extinction of this primitive species.
Rubbish,

Some humans, around 50% of humans have some belief in the abrahmic god, some small percentage of them say goddidit by magic.

Some in other religions say that other gods created the universe. and lets face it there stories of over 3700 possible candidate gods./deities including the abrahamic god.

However the majority (including the biggest christian group (Catholics)) accept that multiple disciplines of science that show that the universe was created in the “BB” are correct

That in no way means that “humans understand two things.....God created the universe…” It means than some few humans think that’s what happened, you are one of that few.

Also wrong. Humans have plenty of chance of understanding much of what is “truly out in the darkness”. Astronomy and cosmology have moved on a long way since the days of the sun being towed around the earth by a giant chariot ridden by the baby jesus.
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The Bible does not say that the world is only 6000 years old, it tells of the years that humans have lived on earth, when they were born and died, who was in power, etc....We add the years that way.
Remember, everything was created first and then man last.
God actually gives us no clues to truly understand the age of the universe. He does tell us we would not understand what He understands and that His time is not the same as our time.
Just as scripture states:
1. Scientist still do not understand everything about the universe and probably never will.
2. Time in space and in other galaxies and other solar systems is different than our time on earth.
"Remember everything was created first..." is a claim in bible but now disproved. You are taking everything in bible quite literarily. you are at liberty to believe anything at all but then you are wrong to tell us that it is the "truth" from creator.
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And as already been pointed out, evolution makes no theological claims. Since we have pointed this out to you almost every time you've popped up here, the only possible conclusion can be that you're just another liar for Jesus.
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And yet amazingly, the ONLY people who are aware of this are "good Christians", since the scientific community is blissfully unaware of it.
So what "scientific alternative" do you propose? That's it - Goddidit with magic!
This is why no-one takes you seriously.
I have an (alternitive) It is clearly written in several ancient writings that the star people, sky beings, gods came down and geneticaly altered what ever form of subhuman existed at the time to be smart enough to mine gold for them. There is a unique peice of dna that only humans have and no other life form. Where did that come from? As far as JUNk dna? Just because they dont know what it does does not mean it isnt doing something.

There is a universal conciousness (call it god) That is not a christian God or any other sects God. In modern times Edgar Cayce the sleeping prophet (who has a 100 percent record) remembered nothing after ward. Evalution is at work on this planet. Remember that we ourselfs choose to come here and be incarnated again and again. If you nay say this...show me the proof that it is not true. There are several undisputed cases that none but deluded fools object to. That being said, you can learn all about it anywherre except in western religion.

Even with sophisticated sensitive equipment that shows proof of unseen inteligent energies, many just refuse to see. It all ties in together. Look at all your ancient religions and texts. the only one that upsets the apple cart is christianity.
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How would you interpret those scriptures?
Imagine, you did not interpret those scriptures but twisted them beyond any ambiguiety.

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