Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171792 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#95839 Jul 31, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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You make me laugh with your 'mind your 9th commandment' entries in just about all of your posts, lol!
What reason would creationists have to lie?
There is no monetary reward for believing in creationism.
On the other hand, Evo-scientists have a very lucrative, financial gain and motive for keeping their story spread.
(psssst...they get to keep their jobs)
Right... you laugh at being told to tell the truth. Why do you ask such obvious and questions and make such banal claims? You are emotionally invested in the creation myth. Not everything or everyone requires a monetary reward in order to do wrong. There is money in the ancillary research that supports evolution - geology, genetics, biology... that money is coming from corporations that don't care if the Earth is 600 or 6 trillion years old - their bottom line is profit. If the research indicates an old Earth (as it certainly does) and supports the ToE (which it certainly does) it is not in their best interests to burn the evidence. It >IS< in the best interest of church borne ignorance to do so, and your go-to sources are an excellent example of denying reality so that your theological compadres can continue inane feel-good claims that everyone else "hates God." Priceless.

If you want to talk about money and keeping jobs, what about all the tithes and donations? How do you think CARM and DI keep their sites up? How about the 450,000 churches in the US alone, and every single one of them with their tax exempt hand out crying broke?
Mind your 9th commandment, Hypocrite. Or is that too much to ask?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95840 Jul 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Right... you laugh at being told to tell the truth. Why do you ask such obvious and questions and make such banal claims? You are emotionally invested in the creation myth. Not everything or everyone requires a monetary reward in order to do wrong. There is money in the ancillary research that supports evolution - geology, genetics, biology... that money is coming from corporations that don't care if the Earth is 600 or 6 trillion years old - their bottom line is profit. If the research indicates an old Earth (as it certainly does) and supports the ToE (which it certainly does) it is not in their best interests to burn the evidence. It >IS< in the best interest of church borne ignorance to do so, and your go-to sources are an excellent example of denying reality so that your theological compadres can continue inane feel-good claims that everyone else "hates God." Priceless.
If you want to talk about money and keeping jobs, what about all the tithes and donations? How do you think CARM and DI keep their sites up? How about the 450,000 churches in the US alone, and every single one of them with their tax exempt hand out crying broke?
Mind your 9th commandment, Hypocrite. Or is that too much to ask?
it is sad that the religious cults have to be subsidized. must be a very weak faith...

“Robert Stevens”

Level 1

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#95841 Jul 31, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, christian fundamentalism is dead flesh...as are all the other religious cults...
Not true at all. I have discussed Intelligent Design from a Pagan point of view, and the debate is all ways carried on as if I was a Christian. Most often I am accused of lying about being a pagan. Imagine that. One can't believe in a Perfect One and not be part of an organized religion. It is my opinion the reason why Atheist do this, is because they like to claim the non-religious crowd as part of them. Even though in the same survey on Wikipedia the answer atheist is there. So many times I have caught atheist, and for whatever reason they love doing it to Scandinavian countries the most. They ad atheist to non religious and claim that as the atheist percentage. To those that know history The Vikings was possibly the last stand of Paganism. I don't agree, but I do think the era of The Berserkers was Paganism's greatest stand. Just like modern China is Atheism's greatest.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95844 Jul 31, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true at all. I have discussed Intelligent Design from a Pagan point of view, and the debate is all ways carried on as if I was a Christian. Most often I am accused of lying about being a pagan. Imagine that. One can't believe in a Perfect One and not be part of an organized religion. It is my opinion the reason why Atheist do this, is because they like to claim the non-religious crowd as part of them. Even though in the same survey on Wikipedia the answer atheist is there. So many times I have caught atheist, and for whatever reason they love doing it to Scandinavian countries the most. They ad atheist to non religious and claim that as the atheist percentage. To those that know history The Vikings was possibly the last stand of Paganism. I don't agree, but I do think the era of The Berserkers was Paganism's greatest stand. Just like modern China is Atheism's greatest.
how is paganism not religious?

most people that say they are not religious mean they do not participate in any organized religious cult, but their ideas of their god are taken directly from one of those cults.

examples of this abound on these pages in people like almighty tzar...they claim to not belong to a religious cult, yet they spew the cult rhetoric and the bible to no end...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95848 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
We're taking your money and laughing all the way to the bank.
I thought you weren't associated with any religious cult...oh the lies the 'faithful' tell...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95849 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[15]
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
teaching science and fact is not promoting atheism, it is promoting sanity and reason.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95850 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[15]
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
Both bad math and bad statistics! It's a two fer.

Your estimation of atheists in America is low by a factor of over 2. And no, 97.7% has not "left our congregation". Wherever did you come up with such a crazy number?

Lastly, atheism has nothing to do with evolution. Why do creatards think that you cannot accept the theory of evolution and Christianity at the same time?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#95851 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
We're taking your money and laughing all the way to the bank.
So it's about money then?

Not that I'm surprised....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95852 Jul 31, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's about money then?
Not that I'm surprised....
religion is the second oldest profession...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#95853 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[15]
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
LOL!!!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#95854 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:

ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.

LMFAO
Superseded by Supreme Court decision

[NOTE: "SUPREME COURT", NOT "The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States"]

(Wallace v. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38 (1985)),

where the court said:

"At one time it was thought that this right [referring to the right to choose one’s own creed] merely proscribed the preference of one Christian sect over another, but would not require equal respect for the conscience of the infidel, the atheist, or the adherent of a non-Christian faith such as Islam or Judaism.

But when the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment embraces the right to select any religious faith OR NONE AT ALL."

(Emphasis mine)

Sorry for you.

EQUAL to a religion, Not "The SAME as a religion"

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#95855 Jul 31, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you weren't associated with any religious cult...oh the lies the 'faithful' tell...
He is the live..after death, zombie cult.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95856 Jul 31, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
As in this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.
Your numbers are terribly wrong and low.

Check out this more recent, more accurate, more thorough survey. Atheism is healthier than it ever has been:

http://www.wingia.com/web/files/news/14/file/...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95858 Aug 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO debate, it's the anti-religion crowd continuing their post Intelligent Design conversation. From here these same people will go to youtube and post there, then go to other chat walls. Most likely using multi log on IDs to go on. If a Christian fundamentalist shows up they'll attack like vultures on dead flesh is the desert.
Nobody likes a whiner.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95859 Aug 1, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[15]
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
Not exactly. The court held that atheism was entitled to the same protection as religion.

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate...

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#95860 Aug 1, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
And this:
ATHEISM IS A RELIGION as deemed by the courts.
John Calvert, a lawyer and intelligent design proponent declared:
The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that ATHEISM IS A RELIGION. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.[15]
2.3% what a joke your religion is!
You claim all humans are born atheist.
Ok that means at one time you had 100% of the human population. The current percentage of the world population that is atheist is at 2.3%.
That means that 97.7% of your congregation has left your faith!!
WTF is wrong with you guys?
97.7%!!!!!!!
Do you realize how many people that is?
Man you're not just losing them at that rate there running from you! LMFAO
I imagine that that my actual religion of Christianity once represented only 2.3% of the population. I don't think it was a joke then just because of the number of people that followed it.

I wonder what went wrong in your life that you lost faith and decided to promote lies and attack people to feel better about yourself. Seems like that is an actual danger to Christianity and spreading much faster than atheism from what I see here.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#95861 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Billions of years old=BYO
<quoted text>
Our solar system is unique in that the sun, moon and earth are set up to be the perfect home for life. Show me another set up like ours, I'd be interested to see that.
Ahh thank you, so it’s not one of the common and more well known abbreviations.

Wrong, we know you are keen on quoting outdated science but please try and keep up. The science of astronomy is discovering at least 2 stars with solar systems every day, several of them have planets within the “goldilocks zone”. Only within the last few months it has been discovered that “Gliese 667C” has 3 earth like, oxygen abundant planets in the “goldilocks zone”. Kepler-62f also measures adequate oxygen, carbon and water to sustain life.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, only a few thousand suns investigated and it appears that at least 10% of them have solar systems. And around 1% of those investigated have been shown to have planets in the “goldilocks zone”.

There are billions and billions and billions of further suns that have not yet or can never be investigated. If only 1% or even 0.1% or even 0.00001% have planets capable of sustaining life then that is still billions of solar systems with planets capable of sustaining life.

Our solar system is not unique

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#95862 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
...God says He has named every star.
That's a lot of names.

Is he on a first-name basis with all of them?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#95863 Aug 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no-one says there was an explosion, except people that don't understand the big bang theory...
So there was no explosion? So you also think stars don't explode when they die? What happens during a nuclear reaction in the stars? What happened when hydrogen were fused to helium in the sun? How did the sun form?

Can you explain how the "expansion" in the beginning of the universe happened?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#95864 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<<quoted text>
...God says He has named every star.
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a lot of names.
Is he on a first-name basis with all of them?
You know....that means that there's a very good chance there's a star somewhere with MY NAME on it!

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