Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#95751 Jul 30, 2013
Mark wrote:
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I didn't provide you with the entire quote. In truth Dr. Patterson had been asking numerous groups the same question, not just about systematics, but in general about finding any one thing about evolution that a person knew was true.
Not according to his own words both written and spoken.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>New findings in micro-biology were unraveling any possibility to explain evolution as was the nagging absence of transitional forms in the living and fossil record. Mayr and Gould had recently come up with "punctuated equilibrium" as an answer. Lets have it happen so fast it leaves no trace.
An ambiguous reference to microbiology but no specifics from someone willing to claim a fictional call to an evolutionary biologist.

An outright lie about transitional forms which have been found for numerous fossils series.

Mayr and Gould huh? Wonder what Niles Eldredge would say about that as well as your dishonest and inaccurate portrayal of the theory.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>My point is if evolution is true there should be many examples of transitional forms running around today, there are none. This perplexed Patterson and at least he was honest about it. The lung fish had been postulated as an intermediate fish becoming a land animal, but convergence defeats that, as does boundaries in the DNA, how would a 1/2 done version breath and live? Like any bad mutation it would be DOA, and where are the next versions? nowhere.
Not really a point so much as a meaningless and misguided statement. I suppose technically any living animal is transitional in a sense unless it goes extinct. I have no reason to doubt Patterson's honesty. Boundaries in the DNA? You are so clueless on evolution and biology. What a moron. You attempt to come across a someone familiar with science and then you make these asinine statements about half made creatures and next in line transitional creatures. No where are either of those postulated by evolution. You are poorly trying to portray the concept of a transitional form as if there should be a whole series of living transitional forms. It implies that extinct animals are not extinct.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>Its obvious Patterson had been doing some personal reflection. His tone to me also indicated the same lack of faith in 1990. Revising his book was a life goal, so what? I hope t see him in Heaven.
I have no idea about any personal reflections Patterson may have had and it doesn't make sense that you do either. Especially a stranger on a brief phone call. A stranger that doesn't understand science, but can read minds over the phone.

I would imagine a second edition was important to him. It appears that it was especially important that he make clear that statements like those you have been making were without question not accurate or in any way reflected his position or reality. The second edition makes it completely clear that he accepted and supported evolution and did not condone or appreciate the smarmy attempts by creationists to twist his words.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>At any rate, how come such a complex organism like a Prokaryotic bacteria from 3.6 BY ago not evolve as better mechanism than the one we see still operating perfectly today? Have you been avoiding the real question? In 2009 they studied code from 40,000 generations and still got the same cell, with the same flagella driven by a proton motor! Only a super intelligence could do that, not mindless self directed evolution.
What mechanism are you talking about? Oh, I see, you mean the flagellum. Yet another failed example of that failed concept irreducible complexity. Too bad for you that real scientists have found reduced versions in different bacteria that still have a function.

I have nothing to avoid that comes to mind. You have convinced me of your ignorance and dishonesty.

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#95752 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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Actually a black hole is not a singularity, but a singularity is believed to exist at the center of a black hole. Maybe it is you that need to do some research
so you do know what a singularity is...why the stupid questions then? what a waste of time you are...
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95753 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you do know what a singularity is...why the stupid questions then? what a waste of time you are...
To show that you don't. You just repeat what you have read or been told without actually any understanding of it.

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#95754 Jul 30, 2013
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95755 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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To show that you don't. You just repeat what you have read or been told without actually any understanding of it.
in fact i do understand what a singularity is...so what part of 'everything in our universe was in the initial singularity' do you need explained further?

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St. Croix valley

#95756 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?
no, no real debate, just fools talking in circles.

you should throw out your bee and flower crap again, that would fit right in...
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95757 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?
No it is no contest. Woodtick is the masturbator. Ooops I mean master debater. LOL

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St. Croix valley

#95758 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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No it is no contest. Woodtick is the masturbator. Ooops I mean master debater. LOL
it would seem i was correct with my 'waste of time' assessment of you...

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#95759 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, no real debate, just fools talking in circles.
you should throw out your bee and flower crap again, that would fit right in...
LOL. You haven't changed much. Still drinking?
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95760 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it would seem i was correct with my 'waste of time' assessment of you...
And why do you think that? Because I am an educated person that has a sense of humor while you are a uptight person that is of medium education at best.

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#95761 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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No it is no contest. Woodtick is the masturbator. Ooops I mean master debater. LOL
Yes he is. That's why he is called Woody. Let's play a knock-knock on wood.

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St. Croix valley

#95762 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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LOL. You haven't changed much. Still drinking?
no, still based in fact and reason...

you should try it!

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St. Croix valley

#95763 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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And why do you think that? Because I am an educated person that has a sense of humor while you are a uptight person that is of medium education at best.
I don't think it, i know it from your pointless, clearly uneducated, posts that i am through with...

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#95764 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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Actually a black hole is not a singularity, but a singularity is believed to exist at the center of a black hole. Maybe it is you that need to do some research
Do you believe in parallel universe and multiverses? How would that exist from singularity?
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95765 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Yes he is. That's why he is called Woody. Let's play a knock-knock on wood.
I think I will leave him to his drinking and what ever he does with his wood.:-)

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#95766 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, still based in fact and reason...
you should try it!
You should try something else besides making excuses for not explaining logical conjectures. lol

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#95767 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
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Actually a black hole is not a singularity, but a singularity is believed to exist at the center of a black hole. Maybe it is you that need to do some research
I think the theory of the Big Bang is the most plausible one there is. Some say there was an expansion instead of an explosion. But when you look at violent storms like lightning and thunderstorms, hurricanes, it makes sense to think there could've been a big bang that started the universe.

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#95768 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?
Well now that you mention it, I bet I can come up with a few things.

Hello Cybele. What have you been up to? Been a while.
imagine2011

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#95769 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the fabric of space can be stretched, so the three dimensions you referenced are not constant just like time....
Question: How long has man or scientists known about the stretching of space?

Looks to me like they wrote about it 2500-2750 years ago.

How would they have known this?

Hmmm...what a mystery

http://creationists.org/God-streched-out-the-...

Isaiah
Author(s): Isaiah
Date: 746-680 B.C.

[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
- Isaiah 40:22

Zechariah
Author(s): Zechariah
Date: 520-518 B.C.

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah 12:1

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#95770 Jul 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Well now that you mention it, I bet I can come up with a few things.
Hello Cybele. What have you been up to? Been a while.
Hi Dan. Been doing lots of things lately. How about you?

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