Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169058 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“The Thunder Rolls”

Since: Jul 13

The Lightning Strikes

#95739 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that is as dumbed-downed as it gets...
if you cannot understand that, there is no hope for you.
Then I ask again; Yes you said that but again - Do explain what you mean by everything was there, in a "singularity". Do you mean it was one, it was unique, it was of unusual quality? Explain what you mean That way there will be no confusion

“Just because it is possible”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#95740 Jul 30, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to hear that dan.
Now dan please elaborate on the beginning of time. If it is not too much trouble dan.
I'm wondering how long I can get you to keep up this stupid effort.

I've got it, I will have a party and every time you post this we have to drink.

Now not only are you worshiping idols and bearing false witness, you are promoting alcohol abuse.
RoseRN

Ashburn, VA

#95741 Jul 30, 2013
Hulu wrote:
<quoted text>Primitive humans used to tell imaginary stories to pass on beliefs. Now, just because of print they think it MUST be true. The human brain developed imagination as a coping mechanism. To cope with reality, many humans have a problem seperating fact(life in general)from imagination(The Bible). Once the God seed is planted in the brain all reality is lost in a world of imaginary stories and pictures that seems real to most brainwashed followers.
how do you know? You sound like a monkey, were you at the zoo today?

“The Thunder Rolls”

Since: Jul 13

The Lightning Strikes

#95742 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
So translation is you have no clue what you mean. All you can do is repeat what you have read or been told and have no sense in what it means.
I believe you are right on the money with that comment.
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95743 Jul 30, 2013
Hidden Blitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I ask again; Yes you said that but again - Do explain what you mean by everything was there, in a "singularity". Do you mean it was one, it was unique, it was of unusual quality? Explain what you mean That way there will be no confusion
He cannot give an answer. He can only repeat things he has read or been told.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95744 Jul 30, 2013
RoseRN wrote:
<quoted text>how do you know? You sound like a monkey, were you at the zoo today?
we have their records of those primitive stories. the bible included...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95745 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
So translation is you have no clue what you mean. All you can do is repeat what you have read or been told and have no sense in what it means.
not at all... it is very clear and in very simple language. what part of it do you not understand and why?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95746 Jul 30, 2013
Hidden Blitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I ask again; Yes you said that but again - Do explain what you mean by everything was there, in a "singularity". Do you mean it was one, it was unique, it was of unusual quality? Explain what you mean That way there will be no confusion
your questions make no sense. it seems you do not understand what a singularity is. research, learn, then return to the discussion...
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95747 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>your questions make no sense. it seems you do not understand what a singularity is. research, learn, then return to the discussion...
I do believe that is what we both are asking you but you fail to explain. I also do believe you fail to explain because you have no clue except for what you have been told or have read.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95748 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
I do believe that is what we both are asking you but you fail to explain. I also do believe you fail to explain because you have no clue except for what you have been told or have read.
you want me to explain to you what a singularity is? did you not pass the seventh grade?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95749 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
I do believe that is what we both are asking you but you fail to explain. I also do believe you fail to explain because you have no clue except for what you have been told or have read.
are you familiar with the term 'black hole'? that is a singularity.

you can actually google the term singularity and find page upon page of explanations for it...

again, research, learn, then return to the conversation when you have enough knowledge to discuss it at at least a high school level....
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95750 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>are you familiar with the term 'black hole'? that is a singularity.
you can actually google the term singularity and find page upon page of explanations for it...
again, research, learn, then return to the conversation when you have enough knowledge to discuss it at at least a high school level....
Actually a black hole is not a singularity, but a singularity is believed to exist at the center of a black hole. Maybe it is you that need to do some research

“Just because it is possible”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#95751 Jul 30, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't provide you with the entire quote. In truth Dr. Patterson had been asking numerous groups the same question, not just about systematics, but in general about finding any one thing about evolution that a person knew was true.
Not according to his own words both written and spoken.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>New findings in micro-biology were unraveling any possibility to explain evolution as was the nagging absence of transitional forms in the living and fossil record. Mayr and Gould had recently come up with "punctuated equilibrium" as an answer. Lets have it happen so fast it leaves no trace.
An ambiguous reference to microbiology but no specifics from someone willing to claim a fictional call to an evolutionary biologist.

An outright lie about transitional forms which have been found for numerous fossils series.

Mayr and Gould huh? Wonder what Niles Eldredge would say about that as well as your dishonest and inaccurate portrayal of the theory.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>My point is if evolution is true there should be many examples of transitional forms running around today, there are none. This perplexed Patterson and at least he was honest about it. The lung fish had been postulated as an intermediate fish becoming a land animal, but convergence defeats that, as does boundaries in the DNA, how would a 1/2 done version breath and live? Like any bad mutation it would be DOA, and where are the next versions? nowhere.
Not really a point so much as a meaningless and misguided statement. I suppose technically any living animal is transitional in a sense unless it goes extinct. I have no reason to doubt Patterson's honesty. Boundaries in the DNA? You are so clueless on evolution and biology. What a moron. You attempt to come across a someone familiar with science and then you make these asinine statements about half made creatures and next in line transitional creatures. No where are either of those postulated by evolution. You are poorly trying to portray the concept of a transitional form as if there should be a whole series of living transitional forms. It implies that extinct animals are not extinct.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>Its obvious Patterson had been doing some personal reflection. His tone to me also indicated the same lack of faith in 1990. Revising his book was a life goal, so what? I hope t see him in Heaven.
I have no idea about any personal reflections Patterson may have had and it doesn't make sense that you do either. Especially a stranger on a brief phone call. A stranger that doesn't understand science, but can read minds over the phone.

I would imagine a second edition was important to him. It appears that it was especially important that he make clear that statements like those you have been making were without question not accurate or in any way reflected his position or reality. The second edition makes it completely clear that he accepted and supported evolution and did not condone or appreciate the smarmy attempts by creationists to twist his words.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>At any rate, how come such a complex organism like a Prokaryotic bacteria from 3.6 BY ago not evolve as better mechanism than the one we see still operating perfectly today? Have you been avoiding the real question? In 2009 they studied code from 40,000 generations and still got the same cell, with the same flagella driven by a proton motor! Only a super intelligence could do that, not mindless self directed evolution.
What mechanism are you talking about? Oh, I see, you mean the flagellum. Yet another failed example of that failed concept irreducible complexity. Too bad for you that real scientists have found reduced versions in different bacteria that still have a function.

I have nothing to avoid that comes to mind. You have convinced me of your ignorance and dishonesty.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95752 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually a black hole is not a singularity, but a singularity is believed to exist at the center of a black hole. Maybe it is you that need to do some research
so you do know what a singularity is...why the stupid questions then? what a waste of time you are...
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95753 Jul 30, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you do know what a singularity is...why the stupid questions then? what a waste of time you are...
To show that you don't. You just repeat what you have read or been told without actually any understanding of it.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#95754 Jul 30, 2013
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95755 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
To show that you don't. You just repeat what you have read or been told without actually any understanding of it.
in fact i do understand what a singularity is...so what part of 'everything in our universe was in the initial singularity' do you need explained further?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95756 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?
no, no real debate, just fools talking in circles.

you should throw out your bee and flower crap again, that would fit right in...
Think about it

West Plains, MO

#95757 Jul 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
wow. You guys still debating this? What else is new, or better yet, what do you really want to know?
No it is no contest. Woodtick is the masturbator. Ooops I mean master debater. LOL

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#95758 Jul 30, 2013
Think about it wrote:
<quoted text>
No it is no contest. Woodtick is the masturbator. Ooops I mean master debater. LOL
it would seem i was correct with my 'waste of time' assessment of you...

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