Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173598 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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SBT
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#95627 Jul 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Can you provide a link for that quote?
I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -

"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"

"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".

I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".

His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.

To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).

“I can never convince the ”

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#95628 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Well first you need a Moron to leave a post wide open like you did.
Ah more derision from the fundamentalist toolbox. And coming from a person that has not posted an original thought on this forum from the first. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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#95629 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Ah more derision from the fundamentalist toolbox. And coming from a person that has not posted an original thought on this forum from the first. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Dan where did time come from?

“I can never convince the ”

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#95630 Jul 28, 2013
SBT wrote:
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SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".
I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".
His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.
To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).
What conference was that? Where and when did it take place? Where can we see copies of the transcript showing this quote. To be fair, you haven't shown yourself to be a reliable source of information so you can understand my skepticism. Especially considering that Dr Patterson made claims that his words were abused and taken out of context by creationists. Sort of the opposite of what you say he told you.

“I can never convince the ”

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#95631 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Dan where did time come from?
I don't know. You don't either.

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#95632 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Dan where did time come from?
The past, do you want to know where it's going?

“I can never convince the ”

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#95634 Jul 28, 2013
SBT wrote:
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SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".
I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".
His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.
To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).
Funny that you should mention Dr Patterson's book Evolution. I found a very interesting review of the second edition of that book by Karen Bartelt in Reports of the National Center for Science Education. 20(3): 38-39 (2000). You can find it here http://ncse.com/rncse/20/3/evolution

I am going to cut and paste parts of it as well as a tribute to you fundamentalists. I know how much you love that.

n 1981, paleontologist Colin Patterson spoke at the American Museum of Natural History. Later he said that in his talk, "I put a case for [the] difficulties and problems with evolution, specifically in the field of systematics. I was too na´ve and foolish to guess what might happen: the talk was taped by a creationist who passed the tape to [creationist] Luther Sunderland....I was putting a case for discussion, as I thought off the record, and was speaking only about systematics, a specialised field" (Fezer 1984: 5).

Snippets from this unauthorized taping (for which no authorized transcript exists; see Strahler 1987) have been making the rounds of anti-evolutionist publications since Luther Sunderland and Gary Parker's 1982 Impact article. They have popped up in many subsequent issues of ICR's Impact (for example, Buckna and Laidlaw 1996) and routinely appear in anti-evolutionist articles and web sites (for example, Lenard 2000). Patterson was also featured in a 1996 article in the journal Origins and Design (Nelson 1996), a venue devoted to "intelligent design theory", which included 9 of his quotations that supposedly manifest what Nelson calls Patterson's "agnosticism about evolution".

Fast forward to 1999; if ever he was, Patterson is agnostic about evolution no more. All opportunities for anti-evolutionist innuendo and misstatements are put to rest in the second edition of Evolution. Sadly, Patterson died 3 days after delivering the manuscript to the publisher; 2 of his colleagues (Peter Forey and James Mallet) did some minor revisions and final editing.

Here is a quote right out of the book that is included in the review.

The knowledge in my first edition came from education and indoctrination; it was that neo-Darwinism is certainty. The knowledge in this second edition comes more from working things out for myself; it is that evolution is certainty. And part of the ignorance in the first edition concerned the difference between neo-Darwinism and evolution, whereas the ignorance in this edition is of the completeness of neo-Darwinism as an explanation of evolution ... I think that belief [shared ancestry] is now confirmed as completely as anything can be in the historical sciences ...[but]... I am no longer certain that natural selection is the complete explanation...".(p vii).

Now this doesn't sound like the guy you claim to have talked to on the phone.

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#95635 Jul 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>The past, do you want to know where it's going?
He doesn't even know where he is going.

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#95636 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Dan where did time come from?
This is another tool from the fundamentalist toolbox of lies. When cornered while discussing one subject, start asking baffling questions about another subject.
Huh

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#95637 Jul 28, 2013
Creationis not possible since there is no god or gods....So evolution must be true...
Drink the hivE

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#95639 Jul 28, 2013
Step Back 4 A Minute And Ask Yourself If Your Post' Would Make Sense 2 The Average Person On This Planet.

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#95640 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know. You don't either.
Come on you want original post so lets hear your explanation on time dan.

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#95641 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Come on you want original post so lets hear your explanation on time dan.
I want to see original posts from you and not these petulant little off point tantrums either. Feelings hurt. Somebody say something that got you down.

It must be time for someone to change your diaper. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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#95642 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I want to see original posts from you and not these petulant little off point tantrums either. Feelings hurt. Somebody say something that got you down.

It must be time for someone to change your diaper. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Please explain where time came from.

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#95643 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Please explain where time came from.
The past, want to know where it's going too?
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#95644 Jul 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>The past, want to know where it's going too?
Nope
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#95645 Jul 28, 2013
Waiting dan.

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#95646 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Waiting dan.
You can wait till hell freezes over scrote. You want to discuss time, then discuss it, but I not your personal information service.

You got something to say then spit it out.

We all know this is a diversion from getting called on posting a bunch of refuted cut and paste nonsense and speculation. Now your feelings are hurt and you lashing out like a child. Bizarre but still child-like.

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#95647 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/pubs/evolut...
"Evolutionist are fond of pointing to "MICRO-evolution," meaning the many VARIETIES within a kind, and applying it to their theory that a kind evolved from a different kind! This is utterly untrue. Whether pygmy or gigantic Swede, they are both human beings, and inter-fertile. Whether a snowshoe rabbit is white in the winter or brown in the summer, it is still a snowshoe rabbit, and is not in the process of becoming a whale, or a horse, or a monkey. Whether a chameleon which is green on a green leaf, and brown on a brown leaf, it is still a chameleon, and will give birth to other chameleons, not to a different species. Actually, the very fact of such marvelous adaptation, such as the camouflage of certain birds, insects, animals and fish, is another PROOF OF GOD; a proof of His intricate DESIGN placed within a myriad of His creatures."
Here is an original idea that was posted Saturday. No not an original idea. Cut and paste.

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#95648 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
http://www.newgeology.us/prese ntation32.html
"Violating the law:
The theory of Evolution violates two laws of science. TheSecond Law of Thermodynamics (law of increasing entropy) says that things which start out concentrated together spread out over time. If you heat one room in a house, then open the door to that room, eventually the temperature in the whole house evens out (reaches equilibrium). Knowing how far this evening-out has progressed at any point in time tells you the entropy. Entropy can measure the loss of a system's ability to do work. Entropy is also a measure of disorder, and that is where evolution theory hits an impenetrable wall. Natural processes proceed in only one direction, toward equilibrium and disorder. Things fall apart over time, they do not get more organized. We can overcome this by making a machine and adding energy, but the Second Law prevents such a machine from assembling spontaneously from raw materials.
The Law of Biogenesis was established by Louis Pasteur three years after Darwin's book was published, and simply says that life only comes from life. Living cells divide to make new cells, and fertilized eggs and seeds develop into animals and plants, but chemicals never fall together and life appears. Evolutionists often call certain chemicals "the building blocks of life", giving people the false impression that you just stack the building blocks together and you get life. No one has ever done that, including the famous 1953 Miller/Urey experiment where all they got were clumps of amino acids. Many people mistakenly think scientists have made life from chemicals in the lab, but they have not (though many have tried very hard). If one were to succeed, you would know about it. He would get every science award there is, be all over the news, and have movies, books, buildings, statues, and schools dedicated to him, so desperate are evolutionists on this matter. For something to be a law of science, it can never be found to have been violated, even once, over thousands of trials. No exceptions. A theory that violates two laws of science is in big trouble."
Here is another of a string of posts with original ideas. No, just cut and paste again.

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