Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209721 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#95615 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
Interesting and funny.
Childish stories for childish minds.

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#95616 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
Interesting and funny.
Can you provide a link for that quote?

I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
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#95617 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Childish stories for childish minds.
I'm pleasantly surprised that you agree that evolution is a "Childish stories for childish minds"

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#95618 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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I'm pleasantly surprised that you agree that evolution is a "Childish stories for childish minds"
Wow, twisting my words in an effort to support your own claims. I have never seen that done before. That is amazing. You are so smart and clever.

ROFLMMFAO!!!

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#95619 Jul 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Can you provide a link for that quote?
I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
Here is what I found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Patterson_ (biologist)

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#95620 Jul 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Can you provide a link for that quote?
I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
It is possible this isn't a real quote and merely paraphrasing as quote. The guys that use these things don't tend to be too diligent about verification. They just assume that since it supports their cause it must by definition be true and they run with it.

Like that old telephone game. What starts out isn't what you end up with.

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#95621 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>It is possible this isn't a real quote and merely paraphrasing as quote. The guys that use these things don't tend to be too diligent about verification. They just assume that since it supports their cause it must by definition be true and they run with it.
Like that old telephone game. What starts out isn't what you end up with.
I found out why Christians are past masters of quote mining. They quote mine their own Bible.

It is a bit funny since we point out how we can get the Bible to deny God if you quote mine it and they are guilty of the same thing. If you check out the supposed "over 300 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus" you will see that many of them are quotes taken out of context. The so called prophesy was not a prophesy at all.

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#95622 Jul 28, 2013
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I found out why Christians are past masters of quote mining. They quote mine their own Bible.
It is a bit funny since we point out how we can get the Bible to deny God if you quote mine it and they are guilty of the same thing. If you check out the supposed "over 300 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus" you will see that many of them are quotes taken out of context. The so called prophesy was not a prophesy at all.
Oh what a tangled web they weave.
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#95623 Jul 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I found out why Christians are past masters of quote mining. They quote mine their own Bible.
It is a bit funny since we point out how we can get the Bible to deny God if you quote mine it and they are guilty of the same thing. If you check out the supposed "over 300 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus" you will see that many of them are quotes taken out of context. The so called prophesy was not a prophesy at all.
Indeed......The human animal has been fooled by antities far beyond their comprehension. Imagine knowing they created earth animals (human beings).....a controlled experiment gone wrong.
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#95624 Jul 28, 2013
What Do U Know About The "Green People?"...

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1303/tardigra...
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#95625 Jul 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Can you provide a link for that quote?

I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
About 6 post back. I
Quoted a post about 6 post back.
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#95626 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, twisting my words in an effort to support your own claims. I have never seen that done before. That is amazing. You are so smart and clever.

ROFLMMFAO!!!
Well first you need a Moron to leave a post wide open like you did.

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#95627 Jul 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Can you provide a link for that quote?
I've looked for it via Google, and am unable to find it.
SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -

"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"

"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".

I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".

His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.

To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).

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#95628 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Well first you need a Moron to leave a post wide open like you did.
Ah more derision from the fundamentalist toolbox. And coming from a person that has not posted an original thought on this forum from the first. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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#95629 Jul 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Ah more derision from the fundamentalist toolbox. And coming from a person that has not posted an original thought on this forum from the first. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Dan where did time come from?

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#95630 Jul 28, 2013
SBT wrote:
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SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".
I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".
His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.
To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).
What conference was that? Where and when did it take place? Where can we see copies of the transcript showing this quote. To be fair, you haven't shown yourself to be a reliable source of information so you can understand my skepticism. Especially considering that Dr Patterson made claims that his words were abused and taken out of context by creationists. Sort of the opposite of what you say he told you.

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#95631 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Dan where did time come from?
I don't know. You don't either.

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#95632 Jul 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Dan where did time come from?
The past, do you want to know where it's going?

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#95634 Jul 28, 2013
SBT wrote:
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SBT wrote:
I love the quote by Dr. Collin Patterson, past head of the zoology section of the British museum -
"It occurred to me that after studying this stuff for over 25 years there wasn't one thing I knew about it - that I could prove was true"
"I posted this question to a very prestigious group of evolutionists and and all I got was silence for a long time until one person spoke up and stated 'there's one thing I do know, it shouldn't be taught in High School'".
I personally contacted Dr. Patterson and asked him about this and he confirmed it. Being familiar with the animal life and lack of intermediates in Alaska, I asked him about this issue and he stated - "My friends in the tropics say the same thing".
His comments were transcribed from a tape of a conference in Chicago. I called him in 1990 to verify its validity, context and permission to repeat it.
To be fair, he did author a book called "Evolution", before he made those comments. At the end of our conversation he encouraged me in my "quest for truth" (his words).
Funny that you should mention Dr Patterson's book Evolution. I found a very interesting review of the second edition of that book by Karen Bartelt in Reports of the National Center for Science Education. 20(3): 38-39 (2000). You can find it here http://ncse.com/rncse/20/3/evolution

I am going to cut and paste parts of it as well as a tribute to you fundamentalists. I know how much you love that.

n 1981, paleontologist Colin Patterson spoke at the American Museum of Natural History. Later he said that in his talk, "I put a case for [the] difficulties and problems with evolution, specifically in the field of systematics. I was too naïve and foolish to guess what might happen: the talk was taped by a creationist who passed the tape to [creationist] Luther Sunderland....I was putting a case for discussion, as I thought off the record, and was speaking only about systematics, a specialised field" (Fezer 1984: 5).

Snippets from this unauthorized taping (for which no authorized transcript exists; see Strahler 1987) have been making the rounds of anti-evolutionist publications since Luther Sunderland and Gary Parker's 1982 Impact article. They have popped up in many subsequent issues of ICR's Impact (for example, Buckna and Laidlaw 1996) and routinely appear in anti-evolutionist articles and web sites (for example, Lenard 2000). Patterson was also featured in a 1996 article in the journal Origins and Design (Nelson 1996), a venue devoted to "intelligent design theory", which included 9 of his quotations that supposedly manifest what Nelson calls Patterson's "agnosticism about evolution".

Fast forward to 1999; if ever he was, Patterson is agnostic about evolution no more. All opportunities for anti-evolutionist innuendo and misstatements are put to rest in the second edition of Evolution. Sadly, Patterson died 3 days after delivering the manuscript to the publisher; 2 of his colleagues (Peter Forey and James Mallet) did some minor revisions and final editing.

Here is a quote right out of the book that is included in the review.

The knowledge in my first edition came from education and indoctrination; it was that neo-Darwinism is certainty. The knowledge in this second edition comes more from working things out for myself; it is that evolution is certainty. And part of the ignorance in the first edition concerned the difference between neo-Darwinism and evolution, whereas the ignorance in this edition is of the completeness of neo-Darwinism as an explanation of evolution ... I think that belief [shared ancestry] is now confirmed as completely as anything can be in the historical sciences ...[but]... I am no longer certain that natural selection is the complete explanation...".(p vii).

Now this doesn't sound like the guy you claim to have talked to on the phone.

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#95635 Jul 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>The past, do you want to know where it's going?
He doesn't even know where he is going.

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