Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201651 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#95560 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
In fact, I'd REALLY like to get into the hinterlands of the Everglades in late November, with a good telescope, in order to get a REAL good view of Comet ISON.
Gotta get a good telescope first!
I have a spot.
It's an abandoned parking lot, way out West.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#95561 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I have a spot.
It's an abandoned parking lot, way out West.
Ya got a 'scope?

I'll bring the beer!
Simple Simon

Seth, WV

#95562 Jul 26, 2013
If evolution is true. Then why are'nt we actually seeing and observing the process going on continually right now? I mean would'nt there still be monkey -stepping- things- into- people, wandering around on our earth??
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And if so.... What are we RIGHT NOW evolving into?
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Or is this the last and final step of the evolution process, which would prove it wrong and should not be called evolution... You know? Just sayin..
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Faith in YHVH is so simple even a CHILD can uh 'get it."..........He has proved himself over and over. and I hope that you may all go trough the invited open door, and just accept his most wondefull word that is forever settled in the heavens....
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"In the beginning was THE WORD... and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOd."
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'Peace out.. Bless all in their deep admirations and searchings of all his blessed creations.. 8)
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#95563 Jul 26, 2013
Simple Simon wrote:
If evolution is true. Then why are'nt we actually seeing and observing the process going on continually right now? I mean would'nt there still be monkey -stepping- things- into- people, wandering around on our earth??
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And if so.... What are we RIGHT NOW evolving into?
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Or is this the last and final step of the evolution process, which would prove it wrong and should not be called evolution... You know? Just sayin..
''
Faith in YHVH is so simple even a CHILD can uh 'get it."..........He has proved himself over and over. and I hope that you may all go trough the invited open door, and just accept his most wondefull word that is forever settled in the heavens....
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"In the beginning was THE WORD... and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOd."
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'Peace out.. Bless all in their deep admirations and searchings of all his blessed creations.. 8)
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IN DUH END..........>!<+>- <><@@@
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Your idea is simple, it doesn't require you to "know" anything.

Stand still now, this wont take long.

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#95565 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup.
As would I.
But not until October.
I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.

There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.

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#95566 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya got a 'scope?
I'll bring the beer!
Not any more, alas. I gave mine to the Nieces a while back.

But I know where I can borrow one.

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#95567 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.
There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.
Orlando's a bit far from here...
Like, on another planet.

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#95568 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Orlando's a bit far from here...
Like, on another planet.
I live in Missouri. It is all another planet to me.

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#95569 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I live in Missouri. It is all another planet to me.
Laffin.
Hey, just hit the Gulf Coast and turn left. When you meet a lot of perimortem New Yorkers, turn left again.
You get to the Atlantic, turn right.

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#95570 Jul 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.
There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.
It's still there. Easy to find, too. Just tie one end of a rope to your bumper and the other to Corpus Christi and drive clockwise.
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#95572 Jul 27, 2013
that in the last days false teachers will introduce destructive lies among the people. Their purpose is to bring God's truth into disrepute and to exploit believers by telling them made-up and imagined store (see 2 Pet. 2:1-3).

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#95573 Jul 27, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
that in the last days false teachers will introduce destructive lies among the people. Their purpose is to bring God's truth into disrepute and to exploit believers by telling them made-up and imagined store (see 2 Pet. 2:1-3).
Is your fulfilling a prophecy that you have prior knowledge of really fulfilling it?
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#95574 Jul 27, 2013
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/pubs/evolut...

"Evolutionist are fond of pointing to "MICRO-evolution," meaning the many VARIETIES within a kind, and applying it to their theory that a kind evolved from a different kind! This is utterly untrue. Whether pygmy or gigantic Swede, they are both human beings, and inter-fertile. Whether a snowshoe rabbit is white in the winter or brown in the summer, it is still a snowshoe rabbit, and is not in the process of becoming a whale, or a horse, or a monkey. Whether a chameleon which is green on a green leaf, and brown on a brown leaf, it is still a chameleon, and will give birth to other chameleons, not to a different species. Actually, the very fact of such marvelous adaptation, such as the camouflage of certain birds, insects, animals and fish, is another PROOF OF GOD; a proof of His intricate DESIGN placed within a myriad of His creatures."
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#95575 Jul 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>You are such a scheming reamer, nothing you ever say or said. Could ever be trusted by anyone with more than trivial knowledge. you are the very thing that corrupts and makes the Earth a desolation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Is7YkuFfjwkXX
You didn't read it did you?

Go figure.

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#95576 Jul 27, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
that in the last days false teachers will introduce destructive lies among the people. Their purpose is to bring God's truth into disrepute and to exploit believers by telling them made-up and imagined store (see 2 Pet. 2:1-3).
All the more reason to condemn you false teachers.
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#95577 Jul 27, 2013
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/pubs/evolut...

"The "Geologic Succession Of Strata" Is False!

First, there is no place on earth where the entire geologic succession of strata can be found. Obviously, the concept of the earth's sedimentary rocks being found in orderly form, from most ancient to most recent is impossible to begin with. Where did the rocks come from? Rocks are either sedimentary (water deposited), metamorphic (formed by changes caused by faulting, pressure, and so-on) or igneous (volcanic). Since there are no fossils in igneous rocks, and since there are virtually no fossils in metamorphic rocks, scientists are limited to investigating the water-borne deposits, such as various kinds of marbles, sandstone, limestone and shale, to establish an age for the strata.

The strata are dated according to the fossils found in them. The fossils are dated according to the strata in which they are found. Does that sound rather arbitrary? It is. As we shall see, evolutionary geology immediately discards data; facts — evidence in the amount of billions of tons of rock; whole mountain ranges, mammoth regions of the earth, where the fossils found in the rocks contradict their theories.

True science always alters a given theory to admit proven facts. Not so with evolution."
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#95578 Jul 27, 2013
http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org/pubs/evolut...

"evolutionists often tell us we are wrong to assume the younger strata are always atop older strata. Why? Because the fossils found in so-called "younger" strata are often found BENEATH so-called "older" strata. When this occurs, as it quite frequently does, evolutionists become incredibly inventive. In order to tenaciously cling to their theories, in many regions, including large areas of significant mountain ranges, they seek to explain away arrangement of millions of tons of rocks miles upon miles of rocks, where the fossils are out of proper order; sometimes "upside down." Not that they are really "upside down," please note, but that it appears "older" fossils are found in rocks above "younger" fossils, when these "older" fossils were supposedly extinct for millions of years! Yet, the layers appear undisturbed! Problem! The rocks appear to have been smoothly laid down; are conformable to each other, showing no evidence of massive faulting, overthrusts, or any other activity. What a headache! What a problem for evolutionists! If they ADMIT what their eyes plainly tell them, they would be admitting their entire scheme of the "geologic succession of strata" is WRONG; admitting that the supposed younger fossils DID NOT EVOLVE from supposed older, simpler ones!

But such an admission would be DISASTROUS to evolutionists!

Presto! Forget the evidence. Claim the rocks are "upside down!" Those rocks just have no right to be sitting there, mute, weighing billions of tons, in a ridiculous posture, containing the wrong kind of fossils! Like many a clever defense attorney, just because the defendant is standing there, holding the gun, with the smoke still issuing forth, doesn't mean he was the one who pulled the trigger!"

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#95579 Jul 27, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Part 3
Issue #2: Problem of expanding
The expanding universe theory is often compared to a balloon being blown up. As the balloon expands the amount of space available also expands. The problem of an expanding universe is that it must expand INTO something. If there's anything to expand into, that space must, as shown above, belong in the universe.
But where did all that empty space come from, and why are they forgetting that it's also part of the universe? This seems to be a case of people forgetting what the term universe really refers to.
Issue #3: Problem of time
Along with the problem of empty space, the expansion theory also runs into the problem of time.
Let's look at the empty space ahead of the light waves again. Since we have shown that the empty space ahead of the waves is a part of the universe, let us go back in time 10 seconds.
Would the same empty space still be a part of the universe 10 seconds ago? The obvious answer is yes. Well what about 10 years ago? Long before the waves reaches the empty space, it is still a part of the universe.
Taking this to it's furthest conclusion, would that same space ahead of today's light waves still be a part of this universe way back when the Big Bang happened only 1/2 second ago? The answer again is yes.
http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...
Your source is demonstrating that he actually has no idea about the big bang. There is not an explosion of matter and energy INTO space. The space time fabric itself is expanding and there is no "outside it". Not only that but the rate of expansion was far greater than the speed of light in the first phase (the inflationary period) when the (currently observable) universe expanded to 300,000 light years across in milliseconds.

Nor is there ever a point where light gets to slow down and reverse course. That is not how the "big crunch" was supposed to work anyway. I laughed out loud. Not only that, but current measurements indicate there is no big crunch coming.

Not only that, but the rate of expansion is not determined by the speed of light anyway. Its an expansion of the fabric of spacetime itself and its accelerating at every point. The edge of the observable universe is constrained by the speed of light, but that does not make it the edge of the universe as a whole.

Your source should either take the time to understand what he is talking about (unlikely) or STFU (just as unlikely).

Same goes for the laughable smear on genomic analysis of the nested hierarchy in evolution. He is clueless, along with his shadow "evolutionist sources". Sounds more like a tabloid than a scientific blog to me, except that tabloids are more reliable.

The fact that you could take this drivel seriously enough to post is merely proves you are even more clueless than your source and have no interest in learning the actual science. Just another defender of bronze age myths that thinks any objection no matter how silly is good enough in your fight against science.

You lose.

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#95580 Jul 27, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
http://www.garnertedarmstrong. org/pubs/evolution_biglie.shtm l
"evolutionists often tell us we are wrong to assume the younger strata are always atop older strata. Why? Because the fossils found in so-called "younger" strata are often found BENEATH so-called "older" strata. When this occurs, as it quite frequently does, evolutionists become incredibly inventive. In order to tenaciously cling to their theories, in many regions, including large areas of significant mountain ranges, they seek to explain away arrangement of millions of tons of rocks miles upon miles of rocks, where the fossils are out of proper order; sometimes "upside down." Not that they are really "upside down," please note, but that it appears "older" fossils are found in rocks above "younger" fossils, when these "older" fossils were supposedly extinct for millions of years! Yet, the layers appear undisturbed! Problem! The rocks appear to have been smoothly laid down; are conformable to each other, showing no evidence of massive faulting, overthrusts, or any other activity. What a headache! What a problem for evolutionists! If they ADMIT what their eyes plainly tell them, they would be admitting their entire scheme of the "geologic succession of strata" is WRONG; admitting that the supposed younger fossils DID NOT EVOLVE from supposed older, simpler ones!
But such an admission would be DISASTROUS to evolutionists!
Presto! Forget the evidence. Claim the rocks are "upside down!" Those rocks just have no right to be sitting there, mute, weighing billions of tons, in a ridiculous posture, containing the wrong kind of fossils! Like many a clever defense attorney, just because the defendant is standing there, holding the gun, with the smoke still issuing forth, doesn't mean he was the one who pulled the trigger!"
No, doofus, its not just the fossils that are "out of order". The entire stratum they are embedded in are also, clearly, folded. And its a phenomenon understood according to tectonic plate drift and the collision of continental plates. No mystery. This folding occurs precisely where we would expect it.

More tabloid "science" from your impeccable source.

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#95581 Jul 27, 2013
Simple Simon wrote:
If evolution is true. Then why are'nt we actually seeing and observing the process going on continually right now? I mean would'nt there still be monkey -stepping- things- into- people, wandering around on our earth??
EVO 101

Monkeys for the most part live in trees, to which they are well adapted. There is no reason for them to start walking around like humans.

Go back around 7 million years to the climatic change occurring in East Africa at the time, with the transformation of jungle to savanna, and you might see why one particular ape (not a monkey) started to use bipedalism to get about.

Evolutionary change is a response to environmental change. And its not directed towards making humans either.

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