Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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So your claim is that anything not perceived by the human eye,is to be considered non-existent by lack of perception?
Then that would suggest that your very thoughts are void.lol
You misunderstood the point.

What we believe should be based upon some sort fo evidence. I don't really care to get into the whole god or no god, which god is the right god at this time. We do have evidence for evolution. Lots and lots of it. Creationists cannot come up with a description of the world that matches the observable evidence.

To believe something that the evidence disagrees with is lunacy.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> To the contrary , my very thoughts are conveyed into words.
They appear on your screen, you see them with your eye, or two.
That seems to be beyond the power of your god, and I am just a man.
So you are saying that the manifestation of your invisible thoughts into words are proof that they exist?

Then the same logic can apply to the universe being the manifestation of an invisible God could it not?

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

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So you are saying that the manifestation of your invisible thoughts into words are proof that they exist?
Then the same logic can apply to the universe being the manifestation of an invisible God could it not?


No, you are making a connection that's not there.
I am not invisible , and can show my thoughts and relay them to others.
The universe is not invisible, but if it is aware it conveys no messages.
You surmise an invisible thing, that conveys no message.

Ergo, I am real as are my thoughts, the universe is real and visible.

You contend a invisible thing that conveys no thoughts is real.
Fail, there is nothing there but "your" thought.

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No, you are making a connection that's not there.
I am not invisible , and can show my thoughts and relay them to others.
The universe is not invisible, but if it is aware it conveys no messages.
You surmise an invisible thing, that conveys no message.
Ergo, I am real as are my thoughts, the universe is real and visible.
You contend a invisible thing that conveys no thoughts is real.
Fail, there is nothing there but "your" thought.
Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?

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Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?
Do you think that we have only 5 "senses"?

Thought is a sense.

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Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?
Thought is a perception, so your question is silly. That's like asking what eyes did you see it with.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Thought is a perception, so your question is silly. That's like asking what eyes did you see it with.
Thought rationalizes perception, but is not in itself a perception.

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Thought rationalizes perception, but is not in itself a perception.
You perceive with the senses and think what you see.
they are a part of the same process, with no perception there can be no thought. You have to have both to be conscious and a third thing for it to mean anything (memory).
It's the same as asking what eyes did you see it with.
With no input from the senses you are unconscious or dead.

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You perceive with the senses and think what you see.
they are a part of the same process, with no perception there can be no thought. You have to have both to be conscious and a third thing for it to mean anything (memory).
It's the same as asking what eyes did you see it with.
With no input from the senses you are unconscious or dead.
You assume unconscious or dead, only because of the lack of a memory impression...those who have had amnesia are still quite alive, even without recall.

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You assume unconscious or dead, only because of the lack of a memory impression...those who have had amnesia are still quite alive, even without recall.
Lack of past memory is not absence of total memory, you cannot live without memory.
You wouldn't know to breathe your system would shut down.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Lack of past memory is not absence of total memory, you cannot live without memory.
You wouldn't know to breathe your system would shut down.
A new born baby has no memory but breathes very well and it body functions very well.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Lack of past memory is not absence of total memory, you cannot live without memory.
You wouldn't know to breathe your system would shut down.
Anyone who is unconscious still breathes. The same as a tree still grows even without memory. In your scenario, anyone who was unconscious would die immediately from lack of memory function.
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So the point he is making here, is ....
He makes a large number of salient points in that 11 minutes.

For example, is it honest and moral of you Christians to attribute everything good to Jesus working in your life, and then all the bad -- the disasters, the disappointments, the cancers, the unanswered prayers, etc. to, well, "God works in mysterious ways"?

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Anyone who is unconscious still breathes. The same as a tree still grows even without memory. In your scenario, anyone who was unconscious would die immediately from lack of memory function.
Unconscious is not out of memory,it is unconscious memory and a baby has raw memory but it has memorized in the brain stem or reptilian brain the primal functions to what it needs to survive.
The reptilian brain is responsible for telling your heart to beat breathe etc, if all memory was lost you would die.

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As matter of fact , those who are brain dead, and can only live by being hooked to machines have lost the memory in the reptilian brain and/or it no longer functions.

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Maybe so, but I even recall US exchange students at my high school in NZ and they were surprised at how inclusive it was. We noted how they were quite superficial in their concerns. I don't mean they were superficial people, but its a quality. Too much makeup on the girls, hard to explain. We were sports mad, but the first "jock" I ever met who was into working out to "build his pecs" rather than improve his rugby or swimming or sprinting like we were was an American exchange student. Maybe he was planning to impress everyone when he returned home.
I would suggest that the exaggerated hollywood version still reveals an underlying truth about school in the USA. Admittedly, I do not have first hand experience, but I do know what Americans notice once they are out of that environment.
But I won't belabour the point any more. The underlying one was that SBT's claims that the alienation and lack of meaning that he sees driven by evolution and "atheism" are due to different factors.
Again, good points. I have no firsthand experience with peer pressure or the need to be popular, but of course this doesn't mean it doesn't exsist.

Mike made a very good point about parenting, rather lack of. When I was young we listened to our parents. God forbid getting a detention or a note which needed to be signed, I'd have rather gone off into the wilderness and live with wolves than to get a detention slip signed by my parents back in the day. This doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.

Again, I was too focused on learning and guess I was fortunate to not have been so concerned about my poularity. I never knew any kid who was depressed or considered suicide, I know it's a reality, but never experienced it first hand. Maybe it is a factor, but if so, it's only one of many. Again, complex, and I'm not a psychologist.

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Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>He makes a large number of salient points in that 11 minutes.

For example, is it honest and moral of you Christians to attribute everything good to Jesus working in your life, and then all the bad -- the disasters, the disappointments, the cancers, the unanswered prayers, etc. to, well, "God works in mysterious ways"?
Do you think God should be your personal Jennie?

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Do you think God should be your personal Jennie?
That seems to be the view of many modern Christians.

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The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Do you think God should be your personal Jennie?
why would god be a female donkey?

your cult casts him more like a genie, or a jinn...

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