Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221198 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#95551 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Integrity"?
We're both diggin' in the wrong field.
I'm a bit cranky today.
Dogen says I am very optimistic.

I am too. Maybe I need a vacation.

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#95552 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Dogen says I am very optimistic.
I am too. Maybe I need a vacation.
I wanted to go kayaking in the 'Glades today. Didn't manage it.

Perhaps over the weekend.

I'd be happy to show you around.

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#95553 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I wanted to go kayaking in the 'Glades today. Didn't manage it.
Perhaps over the weekend.
I'd be happy to show you around.
That would be a long drive, but I appreciate the offer. I may be fishing tomorrow or target shooting. Maybe both.

I have never seen the Everglades, but always wanted to.

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#95554 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>That would be a long drive, but I appreciate the offer. I may be fishing tomorrow or target shooting. Maybe both.
I have never seen the Everglades, but always wanted to.
They're mostly wet.

Oh, and there are some nice outdoor ranges here, too.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#95555 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>That would be a long drive, but I appreciate the offer. I may be fishing tomorrow or target shooting. Maybe both.
I have never seen the Everglades, but always wanted to.
Yup.

As would I.

But not until October.

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arte et marte

#95556 Jul 26, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Part 6
The simple question that should come to mind then is: What is at the other side of the barrier?
With this basic understanding, we must conclude that anything on the other side of this "barrier", even if it's pure empty space must also be a part of the universe. Even if the other side consists of space/matter that doesn't conform to any law of physics currently known to man, it does still exist, and therefore must be included in the list of "Everything that exists anywhere" and therefore is part of the universe.
This means that any imagined barrier to the universe can not exist.
OK so just for thoroughness let's take away an assumption: Let's assume that the aforementioned "barrier" has no other side. To do this it must be a barrier of infinite thickness. Anything less would create another "side" as mentioned above.
OK so we now have a barrier of unknown composition and infinite thickness enclosing the entire universe.
What's wrong with this picture? Simple: Any barrier, no matter what it's made of, how impenetrable or how thick is still a part of this universe. Even a barrier of a thickness of 10,001,000 googolplex light-years (Trust me that's VERY thick) is still a part of this universe. The fact that we can't analyze it, penetrate it or get any information on its internal composition doesn't mean that isn't a part of the universe.
So if the barrier to the universe is infinite in thickness and since the barrier is part of the universe, the universe is also infinite in size.
If no barrier to the universe exists, then the universe is still infinite in size.
If the outermost edge of the universe is completely empty space then the universe is still infinite in size.
Ultimate conclusion: The universe is infinite in size at all times.
Since this is the case, the big bang becomes not the creation of the universe, but only a major occurrence during its existence.
The birth of a tree
How old would a tree be in the year 2002 if the seed start sprouting back in 1921? The obvious answer is 81 years old.
But how old is the seed? How long did it exist before it started sprouting? How long ago was it on the tree from which it sprouted? How old is the mother tree?
The basic information given can't give us the full picture in terms of multigenerational questions.
If a Big Bang actually occurred, the most likely scenario is that is part of a cycle of explosion, contraction, explosion and contraction ad infinitum. One explosion is simply one generation of an infinite life span. In fact, my guess is that Big Bangs happen in multiple places at different times.
The second purpose of this article is to layout other truths in conjunction with dispelling the theory.
The universe is infinite in size and time
Time had no beginning and will have no end
In other words, the universe is infinite in size, has always existed and will never end.
Why do I believe these concepts? Simply because any other explanation I've found runs into many of the same problems. Mainly: "But what happened before that?"
The funny part is that most opponents to these truths I show usually don't like the concept of an infinitely sized, never-beginning, never-ending universe. Then they try to hurt these arguments with rebuttal theories involving something equally large such as an infinite sized barrier or an infinitely powered deity.
I would like to hear if you have another plausible more logical explanation than a never-ending universe.
You are such a scheming reamer, nothing you ever say or said. Could ever be trusted by anyone with more than trivial knowledge. you are the very thing that corrupts and makes the Earth a desolation.

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Orlando

#95557 Jul 26, 2013
In fact, I'd REALLY like to get into the hinterlands of the Everglades in late November, with a good telescope, in order to get a REAL good view of Comet ISON.

Gotta get a good telescope first!

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#95558 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup.
As would I.
But not until October.
C'mon. I'll make it work.
You'll hafta rent your own 'yak, though. Mine only seats one.

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#95559 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>That would be a long drive, but I appreciate the offer. I may be fishing tomorrow or target shooting. Maybe both.
I have never seen the Everglades, but always wanted to.
You, too.

It's still mostly wet.

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#95560 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
In fact, I'd REALLY like to get into the hinterlands of the Everglades in late November, with a good telescope, in order to get a REAL good view of Comet ISON.
Gotta get a good telescope first!
I have a spot.
It's an abandoned parking lot, way out West.

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#95561 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I have a spot.
It's an abandoned parking lot, way out West.
Ya got a 'scope?

I'll bring the beer!
Simple Simon

Seth, WV

#95562 Jul 26, 2013
If evolution is true. Then why are'nt we actually seeing and observing the process going on continually right now? I mean would'nt there still be monkey -stepping- things- into- people, wandering around on our earth??
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And if so.... What are we RIGHT NOW evolving into?
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Or is this the last and final step of the evolution process, which would prove it wrong and should not be called evolution... You know? Just sayin..
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Faith in YHVH is so simple even a CHILD can uh 'get it."..........He has proved himself over and over. and I hope that you may all go trough the invited open door, and just accept his most wondefull word that is forever settled in the heavens....
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"In the beginning was THE WORD... and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOd."
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'Peace out.. Bless all in their deep admirations and searchings of all his blessed creations.. 8)
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IN DUH END..........>!<+>- <><@@@
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#95563 Jul 26, 2013
Simple Simon wrote:
If evolution is true. Then why are'nt we actually seeing and observing the process going on continually right now? I mean would'nt there still be monkey -stepping- things- into- people, wandering around on our earth??
'
And if so.... What are we RIGHT NOW evolving into?
'
Or is this the last and final step of the evolution process, which would prove it wrong and should not be called evolution... You know? Just sayin..
''
Faith in YHVH is so simple even a CHILD can uh 'get it."..........He has proved himself over and over. and I hope that you may all go trough the invited open door, and just accept his most wondefull word that is forever settled in the heavens....
'
"In the beginning was THE WORD... and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOd."
'
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'Peace out.. Bless all in their deep admirations and searchings of all his blessed creations.. 8)
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IN DUH END..........>!<+>- <><@@@
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Your idea is simple, it doesn't require you to "know" anything.

Stand still now, this wont take long.

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#95565 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup.
As would I.
But not until October.
I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.

There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.

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#95566 Jul 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya got a 'scope?
I'll bring the beer!
Not any more, alas. I gave mine to the Nieces a while back.

But I know where I can borrow one.

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#95567 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.
There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.
Orlando's a bit far from here...
Like, on another planet.

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#95568 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Orlando's a bit far from here...
Like, on another planet.
I live in Missouri. It is all another planet to me.

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#95569 Jul 26, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I live in Missouri. It is all another planet to me.
Laffin.
Hey, just hit the Gulf Coast and turn left. When you meet a lot of perimortem New Yorkers, turn left again.
You get to the Atlantic, turn right.

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#95570 Jul 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be game to take a look around. I haven't had a real vacation in over six years.
There was a steakhouse in Orlando named Charlies or Charley's that I remember being pretty darned good. That would be worth a visit again too if it is still there.
It's still there. Easy to find, too. Just tie one end of a rope to your bumper and the other to Corpus Christi and drive clockwise.
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#95572 Jul 27, 2013
that in the last days false teachers will introduce destructive lies among the people. Their purpose is to bring God's truth into disrepute and to exploit believers by telling them made-up and imagined store (see 2 Pet. 2:1-3).

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