Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

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#95267 Jul 14, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Actually, Homology, drawings of human evo like 'Piltdown man' and the now upsidedown horse series in nice diagrams did more to convince people than DNA ever did. DNA evidence wreaked them. SO now they scramble to title paper's on micro-bio something evo but when you read the content it's the opposite. There are letters and emails flying mentioning "don't let the other side see this".
The verse does mention 'invisible', like the complexity and design in the cell that allows life.
Variation in micro-evo just shows the creativity of God's designs, the ability to adapt throughout a range of environments, not changing 'kind'. If He would have not designed this way animal life would but pretty sparse in types and boring. Fact is evo can't be replicated nor observed nor working @ the cell level. So its not science. God says He added thorns and a more difficult childbirth at one point. Garden for a week sometime. He can add the genetic load of deterioration and did once so that's what we see in the genes. we don't have pure DNA now.
I am heading out of State now so later.
"Upside down horse series"? This should be good.

Please do tell us all about the latest distortion / quote mine / deliberate obfuscation effort by the creationists, this time regarding the evolution of the horse. This should be good, I can't wait.

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#95268 Jul 14, 2013
Gillette wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9X9iL2kKj2cXX
Sam Harris Demolishes Christianity -- 11:23 and well worth every second.
So the point he is making here, is why would God let innocent people suffer and die?...and if God was so loving and righteous, why would he not punish the wicked and reward the innocent and faithful?

But yet the main premise of the bible is that the wicked do get a just reward after death (hell) and likewise innocent and faithful are rewarded, with eternal life (Heaven)

John 18:36

Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."

"My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom"

"my Kingdom is not of this world"

just sayin'
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#95269 Jul 14, 2013
Jamel Quentrell wrote:
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LOL! Your professor lied to you!
The story of Adam and Eve is scientific
DNA Proves Adam & Eve Existed
http://www.cross.tv/29711
Sodom and Gommorah were real cities that you can visit today
http://www.cross.tv/41280
The Rea sea Evidence: Archeology Proves the Exodus
http://www.cross.tv/30044
Rea Sea parting
http://www.cross.tv/41289
Shattering the Jesus Myth
http://www.cross.tv/24457
The James Ossuary Silences Atheists & Bible Skeptics
http://www.cross.tv/67298
etc etc etc.
The point is the evidence is out their is you are looking for the truth.


The truth is, americans believe in the religion crap 'cos they're gullible and stupid.
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#95270 Jul 14, 2013
Discord wrote:
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Atheism has nothing to do with Evolution. Why would scientists support Evolution with no evidence?
Correct. 2003 Genome Project is the evidence that the Evolution of the Specis is no longer a theory but a fundamental fact. Then GOD planned the evolution of Specis amongst other things but no religion told this truth to us. All religions have fanciful tales of creation and these are now exposed as untrue.
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#95271 Jul 14, 2013
Professor wrote:
Even if evolution is true (and there is plenty of evidence to support it), scientists cannot explain how the very first cell came into existence.
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing.
But single cell have been developed in a lab recently.

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#95272 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So the point he is making here, is why would God let innocent people suffer and die?...and if God was so loving and righteous, why would he not punish the wicked and reward the innocent and faithful?
But yet the main premise of the bible is that the wicked do get a just reward after death (hell) and likewise innocent and faithful are rewarded, with eternal life (Heaven)
John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."
"My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom"
"my Kingdom is not of this world"
just sayin'
So....you get to go to invisible land, to be with the invisible god, and invisible people. We just call that being dead, yeah the upside, well there ain't no upside to being dead.

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#95273 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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So....you get to go to invisible land, to be with the invisible god, and invisible people. We just call that being dead, yeah the upside, well there ain't no upside to being dead.
So your claim is that anything not perceived by the human eye,is to be considered non-existent by lack of perception?

Then that would suggest that your very thoughts are void.lol



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#95274 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So your claim is that anything not perceived by the human eye,is to be considered non-existent by lack of perception?
Then that would suggest that your very thoughts are void.lol
To the contrary , my very thoughts are conveyed into words.
They appear on your screen, you see them with your eye, or two.
That seems to be beyond the power of your god, and I am just a man.

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#95275 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So your claim is that anything not perceived by the human eye,is to be considered non-existent by lack of perception?
Then that would suggest that your very thoughts are void.lol
You misunderstood the point.

What we believe should be based upon some sort fo evidence. I don't really care to get into the whole god or no god, which god is the right god at this time. We do have evidence for evolution. Lots and lots of it. Creationists cannot come up with a description of the world that matches the observable evidence.

To believe something that the evidence disagrees with is lunacy.

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#95276 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> To the contrary , my very thoughts are conveyed into words.
They appear on your screen, you see them with your eye, or two.
That seems to be beyond the power of your god, and I am just a man.
So you are saying that the manifestation of your invisible thoughts into words are proof that they exist?

Then the same logic can apply to the universe being the manifestation of an invisible God could it not?

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#95277 Jul 14, 2013
John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

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#95278 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So you are saying that the manifestation of your invisible thoughts into words are proof that they exist?
Then the same logic can apply to the universe being the manifestation of an invisible God could it not?


No, you are making a connection that's not there.
I am not invisible , and can show my thoughts and relay them to others.
The universe is not invisible, but if it is aware it conveys no messages.
You surmise an invisible thing, that conveys no message.

Ergo, I am real as are my thoughts, the universe is real and visible.

You contend a invisible thing that conveys no thoughts is real.
Fail, there is nothing there but "your" thought.

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#95279 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No, you are making a connection that's not there.
I am not invisible , and can show my thoughts and relay them to others.
The universe is not invisible, but if it is aware it conveys no messages.
You surmise an invisible thing, that conveys no message.
Ergo, I am real as are my thoughts, the universe is real and visible.
You contend a invisible thing that conveys no thoughts is real.
Fail, there is nothing there but "your" thought.
Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?

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#95280 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?
Do you think that we have only 5 "senses"?

Thought is a sense.

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#95281 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Then tell me by which of your human senses do you perceive your thoughts?
Thought is a perception, so your question is silly. That's like asking what eyes did you see it with.

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#95282 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Thought is a perception, so your question is silly. That's like asking what eyes did you see it with.
Thought rationalizes perception, but is not in itself a perception.

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#95283 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Thought rationalizes perception, but is not in itself a perception.
You perceive with the senses and think what you see.
they are a part of the same process, with no perception there can be no thought. You have to have both to be conscious and a third thing for it to mean anything (memory).
It's the same as asking what eyes did you see it with.
With no input from the senses you are unconscious or dead.

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#95284 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You perceive with the senses and think what you see.
they are a part of the same process, with no perception there can be no thought. You have to have both to be conscious and a third thing for it to mean anything (memory).
It's the same as asking what eyes did you see it with.
With no input from the senses you are unconscious or dead.
You assume unconscious or dead, only because of the lack of a memory impression...those who have had amnesia are still quite alive, even without recall.

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#95285 Jul 14, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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You assume unconscious or dead, only because of the lack of a memory impression...those who have had amnesia are still quite alive, even without recall.
Lack of past memory is not absence of total memory, you cannot live without memory.
You wouldn't know to breathe your system would shut down.

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#95286 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Lack of past memory is not absence of total memory, you cannot live without memory.
You wouldn't know to breathe your system would shut down.
A new born baby has no memory but breathes very well and it body functions very well.

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