Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Like I said. I took it once just to prove a point.
Being what?

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Like I said: You have a place/order for us, you chase the crown religiously and think you are the teacher in here. LMFAO. You are a joke that comes up with the stupidest crap. Get a life!!!
The crown again. I rest my case.

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The point I proved is that you are obsessed with the crown. That is why you chase it every week, week after week and do all you have to do to get it. If you are not obsessed with it let it go for a week or two.
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Of course there are many unknown things in existence, even each person knows slightly different things. So you're really not able to answer the simple question so that we could agree on these simple terms? Seriously?
Your answer should have been the same as Chimney's yet you seem to be totally unable to produce a simple answer. it smells like religion on your part to me...
Do you have term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)" if you don't accept Universe to be that term?
You seem to have a problem with the term theoretical, as well as the probability that theoretical sometimes operates beyond the constraints of known science and can change known science. But it is not a religion , there is no deity or worship involved.

In classical physics and what we consider "known" , nothing exists outside the universe.

But that doesn't mean it's true, remember science is falsifiable. Before Einstein there was no warping of space/time and no absolute speed of light. Under Newtons laws of motion acceleration can continue into infinity. But the theoretical physics of Einstein changed that. Just as QM changed the micro scales of physics, cosmology has the ability to change the understanding of the macrocosm of this universe and beyond.
Do you think theoretical physics is a religion?
If you do then Einstein was a preacher.

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Oh, and the fact that the crown bothers you so much is a valid reason for me to going for it. So perhaps I will keep going after it for a while.
Don't try to use me as an excuse for you obsession. I could go for it anytime I wanted but I just don't see the point or get satisfaction of being here everyday, every week doing the same things to get it as you seem to get the satisfaction from doing.

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I am only trying to agree on the definitions of these terms. Discussions and debates are absolutely useless if same definitions are not used.
Universe has been the term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)". It seems that there are some who want to change the meaning of the term Universe. If that is the case, then they need to propose a term also for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)".
If you feel that Universe should not be the term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)". Do you have some/any proposal for the replacement?
Excuse me but where do you find that definition for "universe"? I can't seem to locate your version of it.

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Yet, you are the one who keeps bringing it up. Curious.
Just wondering MikeF. Why don't you chase it? SubZone's excuse is he does it to waste time while sitting and waiting for responses to his posts. Why don't you do that?
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You seem to have a problem with the term theoretical, as well as the probability that theoretical sometimes operates beyond the constraints of known science and can change known science. But it is not a religion , there is no deity or worship involved.
In classical physics and what we consider "known" , nothing exists outside the universe.
But that doesn't mean it's true, remember science is falsifiable. Before Einstein there was no warping of space/time and no absolute speed of light. Under Newtons laws of motion acceleration can continue into infinity. But the theoretical physics of Einstein changed that. Just as QM changed the micro scales of physics, cosmology has the ability to change the understanding of the macrocosm of this universe and beyond.
Do you think theoretical physics is a religion?
If you do then Einstein was a preacher.
This matter not related to physics. It is related to the philosophy of natural science.

Do you have a term for "absolutely everything that exists"? It is also ok for you to say that you have no term for "absolutely everything that exists".

So do you have a term?

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This matter not related to physics. It is related to the philosophy of natural science.
Do you have a term for "absolutely everything that exists"? It is also ok for you to say that you have no term for "absolutely everything that exists".
So do you have a term?
That is beyond the scope of anyone's reasoning.
You propose everything that exists is known.
So it's a flawed question.
I'll not answer you again.
In classical physics everything that is known to exist is in this universe. So for it's worth the term is universe or macrocosm.

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I take your comments as a professional seriously, and appreciate a fair rebuttal. What has happened is evolution is often used a tool to move youth away from God entirely, and mock people of faith. Look where America and much of the world is going morally.
OK, I take your concern seriously too. Nobody wants to foist a science on people that is going to cause misery.

My first point though, is that its an argument from consequences. i.e. "I don't like the potential societal implications of people accepting evolution, therefore we should reject evolution". Its not a valid way to argue a point of science.

Now, if your brother committed suicide I am truly sorry for your loss. However I have to point out that there are suicides among the religious, not to mention crime and corruption. In fact the countries with the lowest corruption rates and the highest happiness index scores are in many cases the most atheistic (Scandinavia etc).

Which leads to the question, is it your religion that prevents misery and crime, or is it something else? Perhaps churchgoers in the US have a sense of community and belonging, and these same things are also provided by some other mechanism in these "happy atheist" countries! Are you jumping to conclusions in assuming its loss of faith in a Judeo-Christian version of God?

I personally think humans are up to the truth, and can accommodate it. I know many happy, well adjusted and moral people who do not believe they are going to exist in any form after they kick the bucket.
So the "science" falsely so called" is brainwashing millions of youth, resulting in a complete absence of a moral compass.
I dispute that a moral compass requires belief in the Bible or even in God. On the contrary, simply being good out of fear of God or hope for a heavenly reward is a kind of cheap, counterfeit morality. True morality is based on concern for other humans, not fear of deities.
I differ concerning Genesis Chap 1-10. To one has worked in mining for 35 years off and on, it fits. I am perfectly fine that your side doesnt, but as you know dogma is dulling.
No, its not dogma. Its the independently converging lines of evidence from geology, physics, astronomy, and biology. Even archeology. Genesis does not fit empirical reality. If you really studied the science instead of focusing only on what I regard as the sham hatchet job on science that you seem focused on, you might come to see that.

Anyway, you are a good sport and at least you bring arguments to the table rather than the mere bluster that is all too common here. All the best.
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That is beyond the scope of anyone's reasoning.
You propose everything that exists is known.
So it's a flawed question.
I'll not answer you again.
In classical physics everything that is known to exist is in this universe. So for it's worth the term is universe or macrocosm.
And you fall back to the same straw man nonsense. The nature of the matter is philosophical and it specifically includes also everything that is unknown to us.

How many times does "absolute totality of all known and unknown existence" need to be repeated to you?

You run circles around the term "known universe". So now for you the terms "Universe" and "known universe" mean the one and the same thing then? Is that the case for you?

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Just wondering MikeF. Why don't you chase it? SubZone's excuse is he does it to waste time while sitting and waiting for responses to his posts. Why don't you do that?
Really not interested. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard since I usually remain fairly high up on the board.

There has only been one thing of any value in the 'game' as I see it and that is the ability to give 'props'. Rather that judging, props are identifiable.

Other than that, macht nichts.

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Really not interested. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard since I usually remain fairly high up on the board.
There has only been one thing of any value in the 'game' as I see it and that is the ability to give 'props'. Rather that judging, props are identifiable.
Other than that, macht nichts.
Never spelled out 'topix' either.
Agreed. But Today I did get ahead of SZ just to watch him not be able to pass up that driving urge of his to get ahead on points. LOL

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Like I said: You have a place/order for us, you chase the crown religiously and think you are the teacher in here. LMFAO. You are a joke that comes up with the stupidest crap. Get a life!!!
No moron, I am not the teacher. That does not mean that I or others cannot help you to learn. See if you learn we win. You can only keep your stupid beliefs by keeping yourself stupid.

And nope, the crown is not what I am chasing. I already have explained this to you several times. But then someone with an IQ int the 80's needs several explanations before they learn anything.

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Agreed. But Today I did get ahead of SZ just to watch him not be able to pass up that driving urge of his to get ahead on points. LOL
Really? I did not even notice.

How many points did the moron get today?

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Oh noes!! They hypocrite is ahead of me!!

Hey ignoramus. Yes, I probably will go after all of the points for the day. I am not changing my behavior to please you. I don't care whether or not you go after all of the points too.

You can do whatever pleases you.

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No moron, I am not the teacher. That does not mean that I or others cannot help you to learn. See if you learn we win. You can only keep your stupid beliefs by keeping yourself stupid.
And nope, the crown is not what I am chasing. I already have explained this to you several times. But then someone with an IQ int the 80's needs several explanations before they learn anything.
You always claim that you will "teach" the stupid people.

Oh and by the way. What is it that you are chasing? You have never said.

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Oh noes!! They hypocrite is ahead of me!!
Hey ignoramus. Yes, I probably will go after all of the points for the day. I am not changing my behavior to please you. I don't care whether or not you go after all of the points too.
You can do whatever pleases you.
I called that right didn't I MikeF. He couldn't even let it lay for an hour. LMMFAO

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You always claim that you will "teach" the stupid people.
Oh and by the way. What is it that you are chasing? You have never said.
I always offer to help the stupid people to learn. Most of the creatards are stupid by choice, They are not mentally deficient. They are not mentally ill, like Jim seriously is.

Even you could learn if you wanted to. You like most creatards are ignorant by choice. Is it foolish to be that way? Yes. Is it curable? Yes. Would it go against your religious beliefs to learn how evolution works? Probably not. But odds are you would have problems with your religion if you did learn.

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I always offer to help the stupid people to learn. Most of the creatards are stupid by choice, They are not mentally deficient. They are not mentally ill, like Jim seriously is.
Even you could learn if you wanted to. You like most creatards are ignorant by choice. Is it foolish to be that way? Yes. Is it curable? Yes. Would it go against your religious beliefs to learn how evolution works? Probably not. But odds are you would have problems with your religion if you did learn.
I have told you time and time again. I believe we were created(longer ago than the bible says) and have since evolved. Evolution is merely change over time. But being I don't agree with you, the big bang theory and the muddy soup as you do, you think I am full of crap.

You still are avoiding the question. What is it you are chasing?

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