Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 172025 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95138 Jul 8, 2013
humble brother wrote:
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Forget the term "universe".
The question is:
Do you consider that something can exists outside of the absolute totality of all existence? YES OR NO?
The question is very very simple. Are you able to give a clear answer?
As you see Aura Mytha answered your question.

Of course it is a huge jump to go from "something" to "god".
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#95139 Jul 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
You want me to admit something is unknown but I know it exists?
OK I admit there are unknown things in existence.
Can you do the same?
Happy now?
Of course there are many unknown things in existence, even each person knows slightly different things. So you're really not able to answer the simple question so that we could agree on these simple terms? Seriously?

Your answer should have been the same as Chimney's yet you seem to be totally unable to produce a simple answer. it smells like religion on your part to me...

Do you have term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)" if you don't accept Universe to be that term?
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#95140 Jul 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
What about tomorrow or next year? It doesn't exist yet, but can it?
You just said it can't? Sorry the question is seriously flawed.
Well do you think the past still exists now?
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#95141 Jul 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
As you see Aura Mytha answered your question.
Of course it is a huge jump to go from "something" to "god".
Do you have some sort of need to talk about some god, God, gods or Gods? You seem to be bringing that up a lot.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95142 Jul 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The point I proved is that you are obsessed with the crown. That is why you chase it every week, week after week and do all you have to do to get it. If you are not obsessed with it let it go for a week or two.
I already have. Remember, I let you have it all to yourself. I probably will let it go again. Right now I am not going after the crown, it is a by product of what I am going after.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95143 Jul 8, 2013
Oh, and the fact that the crown bothers you so much is a valid reason for me to going for it. So perhaps I will keep going after it for a while.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95144 Jul 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Jealousy? Now you are hallucinating. I had it once with a sock just to prove a point. The point being that a person has to be here day after day and do the same things over and over to get it. It is called obsession. Which the only one here obsessed with it is SubZone and that shows everyday and every week.
Yet, you are the one who keeps bringing it up. Curious.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95145 Jul 8, 2013
briky wrote:
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Like I said. I took it once just to prove a point.
Being what?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95146 Jul 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Like I said: You have a place/order for us, you chase the crown religiously and think you are the teacher in here. LMFAO. You are a joke that comes up with the stupidest crap. Get a life!!!
The crown again. I rest my case.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95147 Jul 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The point I proved is that you are obsessed with the crown. That is why you chase it every week, week after week and do all you have to do to get it. If you are not obsessed with it let it go for a week or two.
And again.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#95148 Jul 8, 2013
humble brother wrote:
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Of course there are many unknown things in existence, even each person knows slightly different things. So you're really not able to answer the simple question so that we could agree on these simple terms? Seriously?
Your answer should have been the same as Chimney's yet you seem to be totally unable to produce a simple answer. it smells like religion on your part to me...
Do you have term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)" if you don't accept Universe to be that term?
You seem to have a problem with the term theoretical, as well as the probability that theoretical sometimes operates beyond the constraints of known science and can change known science. But it is not a religion , there is no deity or worship involved.

In classical physics and what we consider "known" , nothing exists outside the universe.

But that doesn't mean it's true, remember science is falsifiable. Before Einstein there was no warping of space/time and no absolute speed of light. Under Newtons laws of motion acceleration can continue into infinity. But the theoretical physics of Einstein changed that. Just as QM changed the micro scales of physics, cosmology has the ability to change the understanding of the macrocosm of this universe and beyond.
Do you think theoretical physics is a religion?
If you do then Einstein was a preacher.

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U will Never Know

#95149 Jul 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Oh, and the fact that the crown bothers you so much is a valid reason for me to going for it. So perhaps I will keep going after it for a while.
Don't try to use me as an excuse for you obsession. I could go for it anytime I wanted but I just don't see the point or get satisfaction of being here everyday, every week doing the same things to get it as you seem to get the satisfaction from doing.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95150 Jul 8, 2013
humble brother wrote:
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I am only trying to agree on the definitions of these terms. Discussions and debates are absolutely useless if same definitions are not used.
Universe has been the term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)". It seems that there are some who want to change the meaning of the term Universe. If that is the case, then they need to propose a term also for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)".
If you feel that Universe should not be the term for "absolutely everything that exists (known and unknown)". Do you have some/any proposal for the replacement?
Excuse me but where do you find that definition for "universe"? I can't seem to locate your version of it.

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U will Never Know

#95151 Jul 8, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Yet, you are the one who keeps bringing it up. Curious.
Just wondering MikeF. Why don't you chase it? SubZone's excuse is he does it to waste time while sitting and waiting for responses to his posts. Why don't you do that?
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#95152 Jul 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
You seem to have a problem with the term theoretical, as well as the probability that theoretical sometimes operates beyond the constraints of known science and can change known science. But it is not a religion , there is no deity or worship involved.
In classical physics and what we consider "known" , nothing exists outside the universe.
But that doesn't mean it's true, remember science is falsifiable. Before Einstein there was no warping of space/time and no absolute speed of light. Under Newtons laws of motion acceleration can continue into infinity. But the theoretical physics of Einstein changed that. Just as QM changed the micro scales of physics, cosmology has the ability to change the understanding of the macrocosm of this universe and beyond.
Do you think theoretical physics is a religion?
If you do then Einstein was a preacher.
This matter not related to physics. It is related to the philosophy of natural science.

Do you have a term for "absolutely everything that exists"? It is also ok for you to say that you have no term for "absolutely everything that exists".

So do you have a term?

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#95153 Jul 8, 2013
humble brother wrote:
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This matter not related to physics. It is related to the philosophy of natural science.
Do you have a term for "absolutely everything that exists"? It is also ok for you to say that you have no term for "absolutely everything that exists".
So do you have a term?
That is beyond the scope of anyone's reasoning.
You propose everything that exists is known.
So it's a flawed question.
I'll not answer you again.
In classical physics everything that is known to exist is in this universe. So for it's worth the term is universe or macrocosm.

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95154 Jul 8, 2013
SBT wrote:
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I take your comments as a professional seriously, and appreciate a fair rebuttal. What has happened is evolution is often used a tool to move youth away from God entirely, and mock people of faith. Look where America and much of the world is going morally.
OK, I take your concern seriously too. Nobody wants to foist a science on people that is going to cause misery.

My first point though, is that its an argument from consequences. i.e. "I don't like the potential societal implications of people accepting evolution, therefore we should reject evolution". Its not a valid way to argue a point of science.

Now, if your brother committed suicide I am truly sorry for your loss. However I have to point out that there are suicides among the religious, not to mention crime and corruption. In fact the countries with the lowest corruption rates and the highest happiness index scores are in many cases the most atheistic (Scandinavia etc).

Which leads to the question, is it your religion that prevents misery and crime, or is it something else? Perhaps churchgoers in the US have a sense of community and belonging, and these same things are also provided by some other mechanism in these "happy atheist" countries! Are you jumping to conclusions in assuming its loss of faith in a Judeo-Christian version of God?

I personally think humans are up to the truth, and can accommodate it. I know many happy, well adjusted and moral people who do not believe they are going to exist in any form after they kick the bucket.
So the "science" falsely so called" is brainwashing millions of youth, resulting in a complete absence of a moral compass.
I dispute that a moral compass requires belief in the Bible or even in God. On the contrary, simply being good out of fear of God or hope for a heavenly reward is a kind of cheap, counterfeit morality. True morality is based on concern for other humans, not fear of deities.
I differ concerning Genesis Chap 1-10. To one has worked in mining for 35 years off and on, it fits. I am perfectly fine that your side doesnt, but as you know dogma is dulling.
No, its not dogma. Its the independently converging lines of evidence from geology, physics, astronomy, and biology. Even archeology. Genesis does not fit empirical reality. If you really studied the science instead of focusing only on what I regard as the sham hatchet job on science that you seem focused on, you might come to see that.

Anyway, you are a good sport and at least you bring arguments to the table rather than the mere bluster that is all too common here. All the best.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#95155 Jul 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
That is beyond the scope of anyone's reasoning.
You propose everything that exists is known.
So it's a flawed question.
I'll not answer you again.
In classical physics everything that is known to exist is in this universe. So for it's worth the term is universe or macrocosm.
And you fall back to the same straw man nonsense. The nature of the matter is philosophical and it specifically includes also everything that is unknown to us.

How many times does "absolute totality of all known and unknown existence" need to be repeated to you?

You run circles around the term "known universe". So now for you the terms "Universe" and "known universe" mean the one and the same thing then? Is that the case for you?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95156 Jul 8, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Just wondering MikeF. Why don't you chase it? SubZone's excuse is he does it to waste time while sitting and waiting for responses to his posts. Why don't you do that?
Really not interested. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard since I usually remain fairly high up on the board.

There has only been one thing of any value in the 'game' as I see it and that is the ability to give 'props'. Rather that judging, props are identifiable.

Other than that, macht nichts.

Never spelled out 'topix' either.

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U will Never Know

#95157 Jul 8, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Really not interested. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard since I usually remain fairly high up on the board.
There has only been one thing of any value in the 'game' as I see it and that is the ability to give 'props'. Rather that judging, props are identifiable.
Other than that, macht nichts.
Never spelled out 'topix' either.
Agreed. But Today I did get ahead of SZ just to watch him not be able to pass up that driving urge of his to get ahead on points. LOL

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