Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#94921 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
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All good questions, go out to nat'l dino park in UT and that's what you will find. Think about it, if Noah preached it for over 100 years and then it started clouding up, there were earthquakes and it starts raining, what would you do? There have been many finds of human remains in the back of cave structures sealed in. People knew about this coming, I bet the boats filled up and others headed for the hills. Pandamodium, what a mess it would have been! So they were drowned and decomposed while floating and their bodies fell apart. But Scripture teaches that every one that perished had a second chance - Christ preached to them after the cross, bet it was a full house!! This does show us the fairness and mercy of God. All the arguments of Dawkins fail apart right there.
Nope, you want to have it both ways again. In other words you are contradicting your earlier claims.

Caves are in sedimentary rock. In one place you want to claim that the caves are after the flood and in others you want to claim it was before.

We know how and when the sedimentary rocks were formed. You clearly do not.

“Jon Snow”

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#94922 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
All good questions, go out to nat'l dino park in UT and that's what you will find. Think about it, if Noah preached it for over 100 years and then it started clouding up, there were earthquakes and it starts raining, what would you do? There have been many finds of human remains in the back of cave structures sealed in. People knew about this coming, I bet the boats filled up and others headed for the hills. Pandamodium, what a mess it would have been! So they were drowned and decomposed while floating and their bodies fell apart. But Scripture teaches that every one that perished had a second chance - Christ preached to them after the cross, bet it was a full house!! This does show us the fairness and mercy of God. All the arguments of Dawkins fail apart right there.
I'm sorry you can't possibly think humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.
But if they had and all died in a flood, the bones would be mixed together, there is no excuse you can make that would stop that.
If you really believe the nonsense you are saying, you are both ignorant and brainwashed beyond repair. There are too many physical impossibilities to even consider the idea. Sorry not even intelligent Christians think this utter nonsense.

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#94923 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
All good questions, go out to nat'l dino park in UT and that's what you will find. Think about it, if Noah preached it for over 100 years and then it started clouding up, there were earthquakes and it starts raining, what would you do? There have been many finds of human remains in the back of cave structures sealed in. People knew about this coming, I bet the boats filled up and others headed for the hills. Pandamodium, what a mess it would have been! So they were drowned and decomposed while floating and their bodies fell apart. But Scripture teaches that every one that perished had a second chance - Christ preached to them after the cross, bet it was a full house!! This does show us the fairness and mercy of God. All the arguments of Dawkins fail apart right there.
In other words, just make up some crap. If people were listening to Noah, then I guess wickedness wasn't so pervasive. But if wickedness wasn't as pervasive, then why would God send a flood. But God sent a flood so wickedness must have been all pervasive as stated. But if Noah was listened too, then...

What a load of garbage.

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#94924 Jul 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sorry you can't possibly think humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.
But if they had and all died in a flood, the bones would be mixed together, there is no excuse you can make that would stop that.
If you really believe the nonsense you are saying, you are both ignorant and brainwashed beyond repair. There are too many physical impossibilities to even consider the idea. Sorry not even intelligent Christians think this utter nonsense.
Oh, there will be an excuse. Made up, but it will come, I feel pretty certain of that.

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#94925 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
All good questions, go out to nat'l dino park in UT and that's what you will find. Think about it, if Noah preached it for over 100 years and then it started clouding up, there were earthquakes and it starts raining, what would you do? There have been many finds of human remains in the back of cave structures sealed in. People knew about this coming, I bet the boats filled up and others headed for the hills. Pandamodium, what a mess it would have been! So they were drowned and decomposed while floating and their bodies fell apart. But Scripture teaches that every one that perished had a second chance - Christ preached to them after the cross, bet it was a full house!! This does show us the fairness and mercy of God. All the arguments of Dawkins fail apart right there.
And yet, no masses of human remains have been found.

SBT
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Since: Jun 13

United States

#94926 Jul 4, 2013
Laws of physics must be rewritten: Mysterious sun particles alter radioactive decay on Earth

Sunday, July 24, 2011 by: Sally Oaken
Tags: sun particles, radioactive decay, health news

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...

Really bad news for isotope dating systems. Like when Doolittle was reassigned to the Japanese theater in 1945 with 5000 bombers vs 16 in his first visit, the cartoons read showing a little messenger running to tell the Emperor;

Oh, verry, verry much unpleasantness - DOOlittle coming BACK...

"Rate" and Austin are coming back...

http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...

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Everett, WA

#94927 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
Laws of physics must be rewritten: Mysterious sun particles alter radioactive decay on Earth
Sunday, July 24, 2011 by: Sally Oaken
Tags: sun particles, radioactive decay, health news
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...
Really bad news for isotope dating systems. Like when Doolittle was reassigned to the Japanese theater in 1945 with 5000 bombers vs 16 in his first visit, the cartoons read showing a little messenger running to tell the Emperor;
Oh, verry, verry much unpleasantness - DOOlittle coming BACK...
"Rate" and Austin are coming back...
http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...
This is still rather fringy. Even if it is true the difference is very very small and the difference in ages from radiometric means would be very very small.

Once again, radiometric dating is only one of many pieces of evidence of the great age of the Earth. Geology started out as an attempt to affirm the existence of a worldwide flood. It quickly became obvious that there was no flood. The knowledge of the great age of the Earth preceded radiometric dating by over one hundred years. It preceded the theory of evolution by over 50 years.

Once again, all of your claims contradict themselves. Geology is a working self reinforcing whole when it comes to the evidence.

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#94928 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
Laws of physics must be rewritten: Mysterious sun particles alter radioactive decay on Earth
Sunday, July 24, 2011 by: Sally Oaken
Tags: sun particles, radioactive decay, health news
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...
Really bad news for isotope dating systems. Like when Doolittle was reassigned to the Japanese theater in 1945 with 5000 bombers vs 16 in his first visit, the cartoons read showing a little messenger running to tell the Emperor;
Oh, verry, verry much unpleasantness - DOOlittle coming BACK...
"Rate" and Austin are coming back...
http://www.naturalnews.com/033101_sun_particl...
Another victim drowning in the flood myth and grasping at straws.

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#94929 Jul 4, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, there will be an excuse. Made up, but it will come, I feel pretty certain of that.
He said the humans floated to the top and fell apart. lol

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Sao Paulo

#94931 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry SZ, you are waving off hundreds of mil/y of 'evolution' way too quickly. This one is a nightmare for specialists in these 2 eons. They break out in cold sweats in the night and through things at you when you bring this up in their office. Have personal experience in that! So you get to the bottom of the canyon and when you look and pound the rocks this is what you find.
1. Shell fossils
2. Undersea worms
3. Trilobites
4. Nautiloids
If these were overcome in a turbidity, this is the exact order they should be in. What you don't find is EVOLUTION. There is no sign of any transnational's, just successive types in order of their mobility. Don't blame me if the most dramatic model of geology on the planet falsifies the Geo Column. You have to read it into it to get it.
We should find hundreds of intermediates between shell and soft-shell, different successive developments of trilobites and the COMPLEX EYE, right? NONE EXIST, period. The trilobite eye is an amazing marvel, these have been found to correct for underwater aberration, a very lucky chance development, don't you think, yet found at the start of all? And the nautiloids, amazing creature, swims, millions of them are fossilized complete for hundreds of square miles in and around the Canyon in a limestone deposit. Where are all the transitions in the column there? I have seen those deposits. The truth is it takes the concept of evolution in the mind of the beholder to bridge the gaps, the evidence is missing as it should because there is no biological mechanism to bridge gaps at the cell level. Evolutionists must complete that magic mentally, hence pretty drawings and lots of words but no evidence.
It's clear that the Grand Canyon doesn't represent anything calm and placid, but is a testament of a catastrophe, contrary to what all your supposed 'peer review' experts with all their education tout. They are wrong, and if they are wrong about this, how can they be trusted with other challenges to current dogma? I can't blame them in a way, these days careers are ruined for being honest, like Nicodemus.
http://youngearth.com/grand-canyon-nautiloids
As far as your demand that every piece of field work must be peer reviewed by these same evolutionists, that's like getting by the Commies with a book on the virtues of capitalism or a critique on their leader. Doesn't make it a lie, wrong or false. Maybe you should be a little more open minded SZ.
http://youngearth.com/grand-canyon-nautiloids
Aura has made a good point, where are the bodies?

Lets consider that around 180 million people perished in the flood (i'm giving you the benifit of the doubt by considering 20% of the population survived) concentrated in the major cities around the world (I'll estimate around 10 million sqare km.), that would leave an average of 18 bodies per sq. km, most likely in large concentrations that would be impossible to overlook. There would have been so many bodies discovered that stumbling upon a body even today would be commonplace. And this was less than 1000 years ago, so these remains would not be very deep in the soil.

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#94932 Jul 4, 2013
The problem for SBT and his ilk is that the fossil record perfectly fits the evolutionary paradigm.

All sorts of strange mechanisms and what ifs are needed for the creationist ones. Worse yet one of their what ifs will almost always contradict another. They will rely on traditional science for part of an answer and then throw it out for the rest. They are confused and hypocritical to say the least.

This also shows why peer review is so important. Your side would not be constantly embarrassing themselves if they submitted their articles for peer review.

Of course if creationism is wrong the odds are that they will never be able to publish a peer reviewable article.

There is a reason that science relies on peer review. To paraphrase Dawkins, It works, bitches.

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#94933 Jul 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> He said the humans floated to the top and fell apart. lol
There is a lot floating to the top in his stories, but it isn't humans.

SBT
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#94934 Jul 4, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
Aura has made a good point, where are the bodies?
Lets consider that around 180 million people perished in the flood (i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by considering 20% of the population survived) concentrated in the major cities around the world (I'll estimate around 10 million sqare km.), that would leave an average of 18 bodies per sq. km, most likely in large concentrations that would be impossible to overlook. There would have been so many bodies discovered that stumbling upon a body even today would be commonplace. And this was less than 1000 years ago, so these remains would not be very deep in the soil.
JZ,

Think for a second, what all animals on the zoology side they would get to occupy the high ground and water with. Not a pretty picture.

We have whales mixed with turtles and shellfish fossilized here in Oregon, its a another jumbled example not in the textbooks but quite common. So we can view the fossils and geology from several perspectives but reason and evidence has never done my perspective wrong in the last 35 years since I got into this fray..

There are Dino tracks in the sandstone @ the 8K ft level in the rockies,(West Elk mine) And human sandal prints not that far away on the Utah side in formations that the Uniformists say are too old or to young.

Always had a great time working in your country for MRS and CVRD. Got some very cool jems on a great deal too!

Regards

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#94935 Jul 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What shame?
Oh, what, are you talking about the all of the points and facts you ran away from with lame excuses?
No, your idiocy does not shame me at all.
I only think it shames you and your many socks. That would make you the most shamed person on Topix.
You are so easy to read. I even said that after you did not reply for over an hour that I was leaving and that you would run your mouth of how I ran off. LMAO You are so stupid you can't help yourself.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...

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#94936 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
JZ,
Think for a second, what all animals on the zoology side they would get to occupy the high ground and water with. Not a pretty picture.
We have whales mixed with turtles and shellfish fossilized here in Oregon, its a another jumbled example not in the textbooks but quite common. So we can view the fossils and geology from several perspectives but reason and evidence has never done my perspective wrong in the last 35 years since I got into this fray..
There are Dino tracks in the sandstone @ the 8K ft level in the rockies,(West Elk mine) And human sandal prints not that far away on the Utah side in formations that the Uniformists say are too old or to young.
Always had a great time working in your country for MRS and CVRD. Got some very cool jems on a great deal too!
Regards
Is there a reason you can't post plainly and succinctly? This whole used car salesman strafing style smells of someone trying desperately to sell lies.

So we are not finding huge jumbles of the diversity of animal life including humans either. Your answers don't answer the questions. What office are you running for anyway?

Why would you think that strata that contains whale fossils could not include turtle fossils and those of shellfish? Are you asserting that whales lived in otherwise lifeless seas?

35 years is a long stretch for being wrong. I don't think it is a record though.

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#94937 Jul 4, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
JZ,
Think for a second, what all animals on the zoology side they would get to occupy the high ground and water with. Not a pretty picture.
We have whales mixed with turtles and shellfish fossilized here in Oregon, its a another jumbled example not in the textbooks but quite common. So we can view the fossils and geology from several perspectives but reason and evidence has never done my perspective wrong in the last 35 years since I got into this fray..
There are Dino tracks in the sandstone @ the 8K ft level in the rockies,(West Elk mine) And human sandal prints not that far away on the Utah side in formations that the Uniformists say are too old or to young.
Always had a great time working in your country for MRS and CVRD. Got some very cool jems on a great deal too!
Regards
All the assertions that humans and dinosaurs coexisted always hangs on fringe evidence. Your side willing accepts fringe evidence, but is up in arms about much more conventional, easily supported evidence. It is such a sad state to be in that you must sift the dregs to support your belief. There isn't even anything in the Bible to support human/dinosaur coexistence.

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Everett, WA

#94938 Jul 4, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so easy to read. I even said that after you did not reply for over an hour that I was leaving and that you would run your mouth of how I ran off. LMAO You are so stupid you can't help yourself.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
Uhuh, I don't run away. I am busy at times.

You on the other hand run away all of the time.

I asked some questions that showed what an idiot you were and you ran away. Your original post for this garbage was a dodge that I missed.

So tard, do you want to start this all over again?

I would be happy to do so, unfortunately I am going to be busy for the next three hours. I will be back then and we can discuss it then.

Poor my bitch, you have nothing except bluster and noise.

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#94939 Jul 4, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Uhuh, I don't run away. I am busy at times.

You on the other hand run away all of the time.

I asked some questions that showed what an idiot you were and you ran away. Your original post for this garbage was a dodge that I missed.

So tard, do you want to start this all over again?

I would be happy to do so, unfortunately I am going to be busy for the next three hours. I will be back then and we can discuss it then.

Poor my bitch, you have nothing except bluster and noise.
Subduction zone you would have to be hands down the biggest wanker I've ever come across you really take the cake boi

“Jon Snow”

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#94940 Jul 4, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Subduction zone you would have to be hands down the biggest wanker I've ever come across you really take the cake boi

What, are you from the land down unders official American pickle inspection team?

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Everett, WA

#94941 Jul 4, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Subduction zone you would have to be hands down the biggest wanker I've ever come across you really take the cake boi
This is my bitch.

I am pretty sure that it is one of replaytime's many socks.

How could two people be so equally stupid and appear conveniently at the same time, even though the time zones are about a half day apart?

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