Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171870 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#94441 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Nah its too easy next
Fine, right now of course you have lost. You posted some unsupported nonsense and ran away from it.

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#94442 Jun 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>You're the one should be scared , all those get yous where you are. Will a funnel web or a brown get you, or maybe you'll get lucky and a roo will kick ya head off, but mate don't be afraid to go down to the creek, there's hardly a crock in sight.
You dont get older being silly in this country none of the animals you mentioned pose serious threat anyway
I grew up in the bush n il quite happily handle a brown snake along with any other hmm no crocs where i am I'm afraid or funnel webs haha scared of roos you gotta be kidding

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#94443 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Fine, right now of course you have lost. You posted some unsupported nonsense and ran away from it.

And what did i lose

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#94444 Jun 28, 2013
Actually there is nothing we would like more to do than to help people understand the theory of evolution.

Almost everybody who does not like the theory of evolution does not understand the theory of evolution. We can tell that by the arguments that they try to use against it.

“I can never convince the ”

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stupid that they are stupid.

#94445 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Fine, right now of course you have lost. You posted some unsupported nonsense and ran away from it.
I'm sorry SZ, but I thought one of the ground rules of this forum was that creationists could post any drivel no matter how absurd and unsupported and then run away. Wait, come to think of it, that isn't a ground rule, it is just what they do. Sorry for the bother.

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#94446 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Too long did not read.
I read the first line or so. Luckily for us evolution is not a random process so the rest of your spiel does not apply.
Evolution is not a random process you say? There have been many times prior you said it is random.

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stupid that they are stupid.

#94447 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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You dont get older being silly in this country none of the animals you mentioned pose serious threat anyway
I grew up in the bush n il quite happily handle a brown snake along with any other hmm no crocs where i am I'm afraid or funnel webs haha scared of roos you gotta be kidding
I can tell from your posts that you quite adept at handling the brown snake.

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#94448 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Actually there is nothing we would like more to do than to help people understand the theory of evolution.

Almost everybody who does not like the theory of evolution does not understand the theory of evolution. We can tell that by the arguments that they try to use against it.
Or they do understand it and just think its a load of shite ?

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#94449 Jun 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I can tell from your posts that you quite adept at handling the brown snake.
As i can tell from yours that you are equally adept at handling the trouser snake

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#94450 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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And what did i lose
The debate to this point in time.

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#94451 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>The debate to this point in time.
You too narrow minded to debate with

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#94452 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Or they do understand it and just think its a load of shite ?
There are some with a broader understanding of evolution that don't agree with it, but they have not been able to even weakly refute the theory. The fact that the theory holds up to arguments by such individuals is another testament to its strength and validity.

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stupid that they are stupid.

#94453 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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As i can tell from yours that you are equally adept at handling the trouser snake
I guess I should be flattered, but I hate to tell you that I am not interested in guys. You are going to have to cruise elsewhere.

Good to see that you can so quickly sink so low. Not unexpected, but good to see none the less.

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#94454 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Evolution is not a random process you say? There have been many times prior you said it is random.
Not once. You misinterpreted what I wrote. The path of evolution can be described as a drunkard's walk. That does not mean the process is random. The best quick analogy that I can come up with is to think of a drunkard's walk down a slope. His path will be erratic but sooner or later he will be at the bottom of the hill.

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#94456 Jun 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I guess I should be flattered, but I hate to tell you that I am not interested in guys. You are going to have to cruise elsewhere.

Good to see that you can so quickly sink so low. Not unexpected, but good to see none the less.
Dude go tell some one who cares

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#94457 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Not once. You misinterpreted what I wrote. The path of evolution can be described as a drunkard's walk. That does not mean the process is random. The best quick analogy that I can come up with is to think of a drunkard's walk down a slope. His path will be erratic but sooner or later he will be at the bottom of the hill.
I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?

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#94458 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Dude go tell some one who cares
ROFL!!!

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#94459 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?
In hindsight yes, in foresight no. There are so many positive paths that evolution can take it is hard to predict what will happen ahead of time. There are some very narrow aspects that can be predicted, but even then the exact path cannot be specified. Look at sight as an example. It has evolved many times and taken many different paths. The end result is roughly the same, but the mechanics are different due to the different paths.

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#94460 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?
Forgive me if I'm wrong but would a drunkards walk down a hill not be the most random thing you've ever seen lol

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#94461 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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In hindsight yes, in foresight no. There are so many positive paths that evolution can take it is hard to predict what will happen ahead of time. There are some very narrow aspects that can be predicted, but even then the exact path cannot be specified. Look at sight as an example. It has evolved many times and taken many different paths. The end result is roughly the same, but the mechanics are different due to the different paths.
The direction is in the population.

The environment drags the population toward greater fitness within it. The population exists in an environment containing life-threatening hazards that can destroy individuals in the population. Because there are variations among the individuals, some are better able to resist the hazards and survive, and others are more vulnerable and are destroyed.

By destroying the more vulnerable members, the environment inadvertently leaves behind the individuals who were best able to resist destruction (the survivors). Those will be the parents of the next generation, and the next generation will tend to have characteristics similar to their parents, i.e. the characteristics of the survivors.

The variation among individuals is random, without direction. Then the environment destroys the ones who are less well suited to surviving in that environment, which gives a direction to the population's evolution by only allowing changes in one direction to be successful.

That is the direction of evolution.

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