Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#94209 Jun 27, 2013
BiggBBoss wrote:
Since no one could challenge my precious point, allow me to make another. Since a cell is the simplest of life forms, it may have been the first life. So a cell would have had to create itself, learn to breath, learn to reproduce, learn to evolve. Obviously this is impossible. Even a single cell is way to complex for this to be possible. Watch this video of how a cell actually works. It probably won't make sense to most people but it clearly demonstrates the complexity of even the simplest life form.
http://youtu.be/RrS2uROUjK4
1 - The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.

2 - Non-intelligent organisms don't have to learn anything. Trees don't have to learn to reproduce but they don't appear to have any problems. Both these points render your objections moot.

3 - You have only your incredulity to claim that abiogenesis was impossible. Since life IS here, quite obviously it is not. The only question is now whether it occurred naturally or whether it was due to the invisible Jewish wizard. Out of the two possibilities only one is capable of a scientific research program, of which the guys responsible for your video are currently researching.

4 - Isn't it dishonest of you to link to a science video made by scientists who disagree with you?(interesting side note, I think that's the video the Expelled rubes plagiarised in their mockumentary, producing an exceedingly similar but more poorly produced version. Which is why it's not surprising why creationist will often link to the genuine Harvard version instead).
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#94210 Jun 27, 2013
The basic understanding of the concept of behavior has not been understood by radicals.

Because there are growing too many extremists as they only know how to break rules and International ruling and Universal law, such as forcing out the UN WMD inspection and going forced bombing Iraq, in addition to do crazy droning without clear evidences by playing the big brother (while some acts are criminal), these are facts of the symbol of radicalism.

""""" """"As the example of Snowden case, Snowden said he wanted to live a in a country of liberty.""" """"" ""

"""Thus, HE WOULD BE VIEWED as A DEFECTOR when he spoke of such."""

In regard to this, when some keep calling him as fugitive, but they still have to comply with rules as if they are so backward to not know living in a modern world with many beliefs and diversities of ideology, to abide to the realization in the understanding of logic and rules. That is why it is easy to generate the outlaws in that way with lots of extremism, like still living in the old wild west. How can radicals come to make calls then?

WHEN SOMEONE SAYS HE/SHE WANTS TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY OF LIBERTY AND FREEDOM RIGHTS, HOW FREEDOM LIBERTY COMES ABOUT AND EXISTS IN WHICHEVER COUNTRIES IS ACCORDING TO THAT SOMEONE WHO SAYS WANTING LIBERTY.

THAT MEANS, WHILE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THEY HAVE LIBERTY IN US, yet SNOWDEN OR SOME OTHERS DO NOT. Thus, as how he thinks, Snowden has freed himself to Russia when Russia says it would give him asylum and hence Snowden is the defector, whereby Uncle Sam has no case to present to Russia.
IN the first place, Russia does not have any extradition treaty with US, that it gives the suitability of matching to someone like Snowden's wants by giving him accommodation. Russia has every right to refuse US, and If Russia grants asylum, this is the basic simple standpoint of concept of general rules--that people have to realize in the acknowledgement, so as not to get astray with the gone wild mentality in this era of today's world of International arena.

Even some countries have extradition treaty with US, they still can give him Asylum if they go through the evaluation proceeding especially through court. Based on differences in the outlook of beliefs and differential values of liberty and freedom and the sort of unfair system with no justice truth, some countries and any people do not find there is a just system with liberty in US.
As some people think so, that US just appears and looks like that way by being called a freedom democratic country, but really is not a system of fair justice with freedom rights, for many people think that way too after all, other countries may suit such people seeking basic liberty rights in granting Snowden asylum. And even radicals have to come to terms of rules in the recognition that not all people in this world are alike, believe and dig radicalism and radicals.

Some call Snowden as a traitor. He worked for a private contractor firm and was not a direct government worker, despite his work involved in the matters of interests to the government. That is somewhat different than bureaucrats, department heads, FBI, military personnel, etc., where a lot of them have done lots of calling policies or giving information to others to gain valuable technology, such as satellite and radar technology given away from Clinton--whereas this gives the disadvantage and imbalance of US military stand that can cause US damage. Therefore, Snowden might have breached the firm's contract and yet he had data from the work he was in, regarding government snooping programs. But then, for any breach he had committed, that was not as serious as the direct government people, including policy makers, and uniform people from military to policemen and so on, if they ever break rules.

“I'm Your Huckleberry ”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

That's Just My Game

#94211 Jun 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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First off we need to see the source of your claim. Very often the answer is there.
Please, no invalid creatard sources. I don't like creatard sources since they openly admit that they will lie if necessary.
First off we need to see the source of your claim. You have never shown a creatard link that says it will lie if needed.

“I'm Your Huckleberry ”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

That's Just My Game

#94213 Jun 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Are you that dense that you think that is what we believe?
Come on, you aren't really that stupid, are you?
Then tell us what you believe on how life came to be?
HTS

Williston, ND

#94215 Jun 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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3 - You have only your incredulity to claim that abiogenesis was impossible.
You have only your incredulity to claim that God is impossible.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#94216 Jun 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Then tell us what you believe on how life came to be?
She was dancing when I seen her, In a Mexican canteena, in a they call neighborhood Los Zona Rowhaaaa ...ha ha ha she had a child's smile and she told me in a while, but it would take a lot of gold to get to know her.... ohhhh... Acapulco Goldie
HTS

Williston, ND

#94217 Jun 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Then evolution is not impossible, period. You can forget about all your claims about evolution being unscientific now, since your alternative is invisible Jewmagic.
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Actually it's not explained in any fashion at all. First how Goddidit is not explained. Second there is no rational reason at all whatsoever (not even a ickle tiny widdle bit) for God to be limited by "common design" in any way shape or form. The ONLY reason to make use of common design principles is for two reasons: to save time and resources. Something an eternal all-powerful universe-creating entity has an infinite supply of. To counter this you would need to provide evidence of God's limits and why the Almighty is subject to those limitations. I imagine you'd have a lot of trouble though, since not one person on the entire planet has been able to scientifically demonstrate this God thingy of yours even exists yet.
Thirdly "common design" is not merely limited to common design but also to nested hierarchies. These hierarchies explain why we don't find whales with gills, cats with gills, pigs with compound eyes, dogs with wings, hamsters with scales, centaurs, griffins, mermaids, werewolves, vampires, minotaurs, fossils with feathers and three middle-ear bones, or other mythical creatures. There's no physical laws which prevents any of these body layouts, and even if there were that's not a problem for a god anyway, so there must be another reason. But since there is no reason that is incompatible with invisible Jewish magic that idea cannot make any testable to fundies.
Dude, no one is interested in your idiotic, childish misconceptions about God.
You "claim" to be interested in science. Yet the backbone of your arguments are nothing but stupid religious beliefs.
You have fallen victim to a classic logical fallacy... The fallacy of the false alternative.
By our own admission, you believe in evolution because you find God impossible to accept.
HTS

Williston, ND

#94218 Jun 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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As usual you didn't address it. Like you never addressed ERV's, or this:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
However how have we lost? Apart from you losing every single time you post since you don't even have a grade school level education on science much less have any medical training, the scientific community accepts evolution, has done since the fifties at the VERY latest, we've beat you every time in court since 1925, and it's legal to teach evolution in public schools. While you in the meantime are a well known liar for Jesus regurgitating BS from other well known liars for Jesus and are a reality-denying YEC, whose BS is NOT legal to teach in public schools and is NOT accepted by the scientific community, and can only get around that by using PR and political pressuring to ILLEGALLY push your BS in public schools by lying to kids by telling them invisible Jew magic is scientific.
You, HTS are nothing more than a joke. The only sad part is that today in the 21st century, you are more than happy to lie for God and ignore the 9th Commandment and do your best to destroy kids' education by telling them the Flinstones is a science documentary.
I'm sure Jesus is proud.
Another boatload of vomit, compliments of "the Dude"...
I am waiting for your so-called "scientific evidence" of evolution.
I don't give a rip what the courts say.
I've noticed that you have the predictable habit of going into a wild frenzy when you've lost an argument. You rant and scream about religion... while I stay focused and committed to science. You have no knowledge what my religious beliefs are... And they are irrelevant to a scientific discussion. But since evolution is your religion, you can't resist incessant mockery and bigotry...imagining that you're somehow making a point.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#94219 Jun 27, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Dude, no one is interested in your idiotic, childish misconceptions about God.
You "claim" to be interested in science. Yet the backbone of your arguments are nothing but stupid religious beliefs.
You have fallen victim to a classic logical fallacy... The fallacy of the false alternative.
By our own admission, you believe in evolution because you find God impossible to accept.
I'm convinced you're made of recycled plastic, you know cheap crap
used over again, so it's even cheaper. cheap cheap cheap!

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#94220 Jun 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So some chariot parts underwater are more likely to be evidence of magical suspension of the laws of physics and probably not a boat carrying chariots that sank? You're dumber than I thought.
Well okay, you're not really dumber than I thought...
Anybody who believes the Red Sea was parted is dumber than a marshmallow umbrella.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#94221 Jun 27, 2013
HTS wrote:
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It's no use, SBT...
SZ desperately wants to be the descendant of a worm.
He will go to unparalleled lengths to distort and pervert facts in the vain attempt to justify that worldview.
I think the Reds call it "the means justify the ends". I remember in HS those neat drawings of homology related appendages being so convincing. Millions of kids have been brainwashed by that fraud and still are today, it's disgusting.

The teachers trust the publishers and the publishers think the scientists telling the story are honest. They maybe, as they just ignorantly regurgitate the same lies to the next generation as they were taught. I won't put up with it. I have debated the other side and gone to their universities and always found the above to be true on this one. They get a wakeup call or go to attack mode.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94222 Jun 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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First off we need to see the source of your claim. You have never shown a creatard link that says it will lie if needed.
It is always in their statements of belief. They usually say that when push comes to shove they will believe the Bible more than they will believe the evidence.

That is an open admission that they will lie if necessary.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94223 Jun 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Then tell us what you believe on how life came to be?
Wrong, you don't get to get things for free. In fact since you are my bitch you should be asking much nicer than this.

First you have to admit either that you have no clue what we believe or you have to admit that you are a liar.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#94224 Jun 27, 2013
SBT wrote:
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I think the Reds call it "the means justify the ends". I remember in HS those neat drawings of homology related appendages being so convincing. Millions of kids have been brainwashed by that fraud and still are today, it's disgusting.
The teachers trust the publishers and the publishers think the scientists telling the story are honest. They maybe, as they just ignorantly regurgitate the same lies to the next generation as they were taught. I won't put up with it. I have debated the other side and gone to their universities and always found the above to be true on this one. They get a wakeup call or go to attack mode.
"...gone to their universities..?" Did the "attack mode" sound like this?

“I'm Your Huckleberry ”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

That's Just My Game

#94225 Jun 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong, you don't get to get things for free. In fact since you are my bitch you should be asking much nicer than this.
First you have to admit either that you have no clue what we believe or you have to admit that you are a liar.
Oh I do admit you are full of BS and lies. And I admit you have no answers to anything which is why you didn't answer. And my sweet dear I give you brownhole all the time so quit your whining.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94226 Jun 27, 2013
SBT wrote:
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I think the Reds call it "the means justify the ends". I remember in HS those neat drawings of homology related appendages being so convincing. Millions of kids have been brainwashed by that fraud and still are today, it's disgusting.
The teachers trust the publishers and the publishers think the scientists telling the story are honest. They maybe, as they just ignorantly regurgitate the same lies to the next generation as they were taught. I won't put up with it. I have debated the other side and gone to their universities and always found the above to be true on this one. They get a wakeup call or go to attack mode.
Those were honest pictures. Homology cannot be explained by creatards. Look at HST's approach to the subject. He has claimed both that it is false and that IDiocy has homology too.

If creationists are given enough rope they always shoot themselves in the foot sooner or later.

“I'm Your Huckleberry ”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

That's Just My Game

#94227 Jun 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is always in their statements of belief. They usually say that when push comes to shove they will believe the Bible more than they will believe the evidence.
That is an open admission that they will lie if necessary.
So it is just more BS you made up being you have no evidence for it.

“I'm Your Huckleberry ”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

That's Just My Game

#94228 Jun 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Those were honest pictures. Homology cannot be explained by creatards. Look at HST's approach to the subject. He has claimed both that it is false and that IDiocy has homology too.
If creationists are given enough rope they always shoot themselves in the foot sooner or later.
What is I you always say something like denying the ToE is like denying the TaG (theory of gravity)? You say something like that don't you?

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#94229 Jun 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oh, you mean the guy who used to subscribe to fundamentalist creationism but now accepts evolution? You WERE aware of his epiphany since then aren't you?
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Then creationists ignore the very same "common design" idea when it's convenient, such as DNA being a measure of how closely related we all are. After all, "common design" can't distinguish two humans created separately via "common design" between two that are related, so they just assume that DNA works until it arbitrarily passes the arbitrary species "barrier", for no other reason except the Bible's "separately created kinds". And one possibility must also never be considered - that God used evolution. Because that would contradict the old religious book that said lizards and donkeys can talk and that the world was a flat square circle.
Your creationist buddies lied to you. Because the 9th Commandment is NOT important to fundies.
Dude, you start out wrong as Denton never subscribed as you stated, ever. An acquaintance of mine took him out to dinner and knows the truth. Denton built much of his research on the hard work of others. He was unshackled to write what he actually found, despite his personal beliefs, which are what?

I quoted 3 world-class micro-biologists and the best you can do is miss-claim the personal philosophy of one and skip the others?

On DNA similarities, there is alot of lit. out when looked at closely imitates the same fallacies of comparative homology supposedly proving evolution. They tell half-truths, get published and when the source data is analyzed,(without bias)well how about that, it tells another story! Your mocking the Bible over the talking animals etc. is interesting to me. Man has little understanding in the ways of God, if he wants to make the rocks speak he can pull it off. I was leaning against a pitchfork one day talking to a gal and our horse did everything it could to get into the conversation, we stood there amazed and laughing, the poor guy just couldn't get the actual words out but try he did.

So how is your Hebrew and Greek these days, I see so many interpretive errors on this site ending in erroneous deductions that could only be influenced by lit that is intentionally anti-Bible. What about "circle of the earth". How could some uneducated ancient get that? It is correct standing on a hill of seen from space.

I find the timeless nature of the Bible amazing concerning the overall time period it was written and cultures it has transected till this day. Consider the concept of everyone on earth being marked with a number and that we could not buy or sell without it!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94230 Jun 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So it is just more BS you made up being you have no evidence for it.
No, it is logic. A capability missing in all creatards. If a site says that true science supports the Bible they are antiscience since science does not work that way. You do not get to assume your results first and then see how science supports it.

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