Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“We were created”

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Since: Jun 13

Then we evolved

#93772 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I see a sphere, you can see the specular light resulting from the sun striking it. It's a phong-like shading and specular formula that produces that. No mistaking it, it's a sphere.
You see the dark sides of the moon and the back of the moon? Sorry Kitty you can only see the illuminated face of the moon.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#93773 Jun 22, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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You see the dark sides of the moon and the back of the moon? Sorry Kitty you can only see the illuminated face of the moon.
Are you really that clueless? There is clearly depth to the face, even during a full moon, the edges are darker, due to the normals of the faces pointing "away" from the light and viewer. Just because you're blind as a bat and can't tell a photograph from looking at it with the naked eye doesn't mean it looks how you assert it does.

“We were created”

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Since: Jun 13

Then we evolved

#93774 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The point being disk is a seemingly circular flat shape but is used to describe a circumference especially when it is partially or mostly hidden.
When the bible writers wrote it the circle of earth with water above the circle of earth and below and a space bowl shaped to keep the water out, which is described in the book of Enoch as having portals to let rain water from the sky ocean in and wind etc.
It was basically describing a round flat land with a bowl sky over it held up by the sky pillars and the pillars of earth underneath.
"The Old Testament imagined a three-part universe, with heaven (shamayim) above, earth (eres) in the middle, and the underworld (sheol) below,[9] surrounded by the original "waters of chaos", the cosmic ocean, separated by God when he created the world. Only after the 4th century BCE was this replaced by a Greek scientific cosmology of a spherical earth surrounded by multiple concentric heavens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmolo...
You can't magically change that, this was accepted as the define until after the 13th-15th century when we discovered the earth was round like a ball and you wouldn't sail over the edge.
If you stood out in this desert. Turned a 360 to look at it all. It would look like a circle to you with a dome over it because the horizon would make it look like it ended. So what the people thousands of years ago were not the brightest. They described what they saw.

http://www.quarryscapes.no/images/Egypt_sites...

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#93775 Jun 22, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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If you stood out in this desert. Turned a 360 to look at it all. It would look like a circle to you with a dome over it because the horizon would make it look like it ended. So what the people thousands of years ago were not the brightest. They described what they saw.
http://www.quarryscapes.no/images/Egypt_sites...
Do you just try to find new ways to sound like a total moron?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#93776 Jun 22, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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If you stood out in this desert. Turned a 360 to look at it all. It would look like a circle to you with a dome over it because the horizon would make it look like it ended. So what the people thousands of years ago were not the brightest. They described what they saw.
http://www.quarryscapes.no/images/Egypt_sites...
EXACTLY!

“We were created”

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Then we evolved

#93777 Jun 23, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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EXACTLY!
So we agree they described what they saw and did not have the knowledge or means of knowing any better.

“We were created”

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Since: Jun 13

Then we evolved

#93778 Jun 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Do you just try to find new ways to sound like a total moron?
Aura Mytha gets it. Too bad you don't.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#93779 Jun 23, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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So we agree they described what they saw and did not have the knowledge or means of knowing any better.
Yes in fact Christians rejected the Greeks science as pagan, and insisted on the Hebrew Ideas of the world, The Greeks knew the world was round, but the Romans burned their knowledge, and the world remained flat for
at least a thousand years longer. Though some knew, they could not challenge clergy under threat of heresy.

Eventually they worked it out though.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#93780 Jun 23, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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So we agree they described what they saw and did not have the knowledge or means of knowing any better.
That is true. They also thought the whole world was flat and the Bible is written in a way that shows that.

It is a very minor flaw in the Bible, yet some apologists will go to great lengths to deny it. The fact that they thought the world was flat did not make them idiots or fools. That is not the reason we point that out. It merely shows that the Bible has errors in it.

Now if you want some real fun with an apologist all you have to do is to show them some of the failed prophesies of the Bible.

“We were created”

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Since: Jun 13

Then we evolved

#93781 Jun 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That is true. They also thought the whole world was flat and the Bible is written in a way that shows that.
It is a very minor flaw in the Bible, yet some apologists will go to great lengths to deny it. The fact that they thought the world was flat did not make them idiots or fools. That is not the reason we point that out. It merely shows that the Bible has errors in it.
Now if you want some real fun with an apologist all you have to do is to show them some of the failed prophesies of the Bible.
They were not the brightest people and did not have the knowledge to know or prove different than what they saw.

Here is my original statement with the link.

If you stood out in this desert. Turned a 360 to look at it all. It would look like a circle to you with a dome over it because the horizon would make it look like it ended. So what the people thousands of years ago were not the brightest. They described what they saw.

http://www.quarryscapes.no/images/Egypt_sites...

“We were created”

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Since: Jun 13

Then we evolved

#93782 Jun 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That is true. They also thought the whole world was flat and the Bible is written in a way that shows that.
It is a very minor flaw in the Bible, yet some apologists will go to great lengths to deny it. The fact that they thought the world was flat did not make them idiots or fools. That is not the reason we point that out. It merely shows that the Bible has errors in it.
Now if you want some real fun with an apologist all you have to do is to show them some of the failed prophesies of the Bible.
I find that argument of a flat/circle earth being based on today's knowledge from everyone. Evolutionists used it as a big argument to the creationists. Of course we know the world is a sphere today, they didn't back then. Creationists don't want to admit that people back then were lowly knowledgeable and had no clue compared to today. But like it seems every one basis their argument on todays knowledge.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#93783 Jun 23, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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I find that argument of a flat/circle earth being based on today's knowledge from everyone. Evolutionists used it as a big argument to the creationists. Of course we know the world is a sphere today, they didn't back then. Creationists don't want to admit that people back then were lowly knowledgeable and had no clue compared to today. But like it seems every one basis their argument on todays knowledge.
It is hard not to.

The thing that people need to remember is that the various ancient peoples were uneducated. They weren't stupid.

I am all of a sudden very tired. Have a good night.

“See how you are?”

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#93785 Jun 23, 2013
wedgehead wrote:
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If you stood out in this desert. Turned a 360 to look at it all. It would look like a circle to you with a dome over it because the horizon would make it look like it ended. So what the people thousands of years ago were not the brightest. They described what they saw.
http://www.quarryscapes.no/images/Egypt_sites...
That is the point, isn't it? That the Bible is only as accurate as its authors were capable and willing to write. No divinity, no inspiration.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#93786 Jun 23, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>circles are flat. did you fail geometry?
If circles are flat, what was the purpose of saying the earth was a circle? Circles are round. You have to distort the word of God to fit your own beliefs.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#93787 Jun 23, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>If circles are flat, what was the purpose of saying the earth was a circle? Circles are round. You have to distort the word of God to fit your own beliefs.
Circles are flat two dimensional objects. The Bible clearly describes he Earth as flat in several places in it.

It never describes the Earth as spherical.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#93788 Jun 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That is true. They also thought the whole world was flat and the Bible is written in a way that shows that.
It is a very minor flaw in the Bible, yet some apologists will go to great lengths to deny it. The fact that they thought the world was flat did not make them idiots or fools. That is not the reason we point that out. It merely shows that the Bible has errors in it.
Now if you want some real fun with an apologist all you have to do is to show them some of the failed prophesies of the Bible.
Name one failed prophecy in the OT. There aren't any.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#93789 Jun 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Circles are flat two dimensional objects. The Bible clearly describes he Earth as flat in several places in it.
It never describes the Earth as spherical.
Where does the bible describe the earth as flat? Books, chapters and verses please.

“See how you are?”

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Earth

#93790 Jun 23, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>If circles are flat, what was the purpose of saying the earth was a circle? Circles are round. You have to distort the word of God to fit your own beliefs.
Circles are flat. They are two dimensional.
The "word of God" is synonymous with the "jump of tortoise" or the "fur of catfish."

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#93791 Jun 23, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>If circles are flat, what was the purpose of saying the earth was a circle? Circles are round. You have to distort the word of God to fit your own beliefs.
but circles are flat. there is no getting around that. if your cult had a real god, he would know it was not a circle but a sphere, instead.

your bible was written wholly by humans with no divine inspiration to guide them.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#93792 Jun 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Circles are flat. They are two dimensional.
The "word of God" is synonymous with the "jump of tortoise" or the "fur of catfish."
funny! I shall use those funny phrases, and credit you when i do...

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