Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Legalize how much of the stuff? Pot? Yes. I am no fan of pot. But it is a fairly innocuous drug. The worst it seems to do is to let you your inner stupid. It also temporarily reduces your intelligence, but that comes back in all studies to date that I know of.
Harder drugs, methamphetamine, cocaine in its various forms, heroin, and PCP I am not so sure of.
I'm no fan of it either. I don't use it and I don't advocate using it, even for medicinal purposes. The real crime is that treating it like a hobgoblin is what has created 99% of the problem.

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I'm no fan of it either. I don't use it and I don't advocate using it, even for medicinal purposes. The real crime is that treating it like a hobgoblin is what has created 99% of the problem.
Yes, I hope in my prior post it was clear that I favor legalizing pot. I don't think that 70% of our prison population is from selling pot, quite a few of them are in for selling harder drugs.

Is marijuana a gateway drug? No, I don't think so. Cigarettes are more of a gateway drug than marijuana is.

I can see valid, and very limited, medical uses for marijuana. California sadly made a mockery of medical marijuana by their excessively liberal medical marijuana law. It became a panacea instead of a medication with limited applications.

Marijuana is an excellent nausea suppressor and unlike other anti-nausea medications you don't have to swallow it into an already queasy stomach. I am not so sure of its application for glaucoma, but it is supposed to be of use their as well.

Marijuana is legal in my state and I did vote for its legalization. Will I be smoking it? No. Legal or not it is not for me.

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Yes, I hope in my prior post it was clear that I favor legalizing pot. I don't think that 70% of our prison population is from selling pot, quite a few of them are in for selling harder drugs.
Is marijuana a gateway drug? No, I don't think so. Cigarettes are more of a gateway drug than marijuana is.
I can see valid, and very limited, medical uses for marijuana. California sadly made a mockery of medical marijuana by their excessively liberal medical marijuana law. It became a panacea instead of a medication with limited applications.
Marijuana is an excellent nausea suppressor and unlike other anti-nausea medications you don't have to swallow it into an already queasy stomach. I am not so sure of its application for glaucoma, but it is supposed to be of use their as well.
Marijuana is legal in my state and I did vote for its legalization. Will I be smoking it? No. Legal or not it is not for me.
I don't know of it true efficacy for glaucoma, but you have a valid point about using it for anti-nausea. Inhalation also provides a quicker uptake than oral meds. In addition, it stimulates appetite.
Cigarettes aren't especially mood altering. You might get a little light headed, but you can get a similar sensation by hyperventilating.
If you ask most drug users what their first experience with a drug was, they are not unlikely to say smoking a joint - until you ask them if they'd ever stolen some shots from their parents' liquor cabinet or gotten an older friend to buy them a 6 pack. So what is the most common "gateway drug", after all?

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Even more often than stealing alcohol almost all hard drug users have one trait in common. They smoked cigarettes first. I saw the stats on it once and they are rather surprising.

I believe that the concept of a gateway drug has been pretty much debunked. Environmental factors are much bigger. Drug users tend to breed drug users. I don't think it is genetic, they tend to get trapped in an ever lasting loop. An exgirlfriend had a drug problem, her three kids the same. A high number of her friends were drug users and their kids tended to be drug users too.

What is amazing about this is if you get to know the kids young enough they all hated their parents addictions, and yet they did not have the ability to say no when it was their turn.

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You just proved how much of an evoturd idiot you are. Evolution has caused all that. It all has got worse over time. Now on the other things you spoke of religion had a big hand in making all that happen. You have it all backwards.
It's actually amusing that creationists will admit to evolution only when it's convenient. Otherwise, no such thing as evolution.
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the creation of God is not measure by human being that is why every one is disturbed

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Fact of life:“Nothing is as it seems”. I control you, play you, punked you and always have. You are a punk that has been played. DEAL WITH IT!!!! You always come straight to me just like a good little bicth coming to her master. And if I am “briky” you think I am your buddy and you kiss asssss. You are predictable like most idiots are. I own you and for that you come straight to me like a good little bicth to her master or come to me as a buddy. You are a fool and a little punk. LMMFAO
How is this for playing and punking you that you play as my friend and even give me the crown in your PM message to me as “briky”.(see below)
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Subduction Zone - I am not going to harvest the last ten points available to me. You can have the crown for yourself next week if you want it.
Which means you gave the crown to “Replaytime” and I reined the champ all last week! Not near as smart as you think you are pusssseeee!! I own you idiot punk!!!!!!! ROTFLMMFAO
I find anyone who needs multiple identities and masks to hide behind as very questionable members of society - people who indeed have something to hide. I would not classify you as an idiot, you seem to have some intelligence albeit trivial, but you cannot compare yourself to most of the other contributors on this thread. Just by showing you've been hiding behind multiple identities has shot down any possibility of credibility you may have ever had. You really should look into trolling other threads.

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Oh my!!!
Does anyone else think that forreal may be my bitch too?
Seriously SZ, get over it. No need to dumb yourself to their level, just ignore the ignorance.

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<quoted text>And comprises about 70% of the US prison population.
Time to legalize the stuff.
I don't use it, but this is infantile.
Years ago I read about an experiment carried out by some Gvt. Agency, don’t know the credibility of the article, but it was somewhere along the line of they taught a group of monkeys to smoke crack cocaine from some type of contraption, and gave them access to an unlimited supply. These same monkeys had plenty of available food and water, yet each one of them smoked crack until they died in under 9 days.

I say we legalize ALL drugs.

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Legalize how much of the stuff? Pot? Yes. I am no fan of pot. But it is a fairly innocuous drug. The worst it seems to do is to let you your inner stupid. It also temporarily reduces your intelligence, but that comes back in all studies to date that I know of.
Harder drugs, methamphetamine, cocaine in its various forms, heroin, and PCP I am not so sure of.
I agree that pot's fairly harmless. I'd much rather share the road with a pothead doing fifteen miles an hour saying "Maan, look at that cool tree!" than with a crackhead doing fifty miles an hour faster than his car is actually capable of going.

Still, I suspect that could be handled under existing DUI laws.

Bottom line? Let 'em get as wasted as they want, as long as they don't endanger anyone else.

I know, I know, it's a bit cold-blooded...

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I don't know of it true efficacy for glaucoma, but you have a valid point about using it for anti-nausea. Inhalation also provides a quicker uptake than oral meds. In addition, it stimulates appetite.
Cigarettes aren't especially mood altering. You might get a little light headed, but you can get a similar sensation by hyperventilating.
If you ask most drug users what their first experience with a drug was, they are not unlikely to say smoking a joint - until you ask them if they'd ever stolen some shots from their parents' liquor cabinet or gotten an older friend to buy them a 6 pack. So what is the most common "gateway drug", after all?
That's a good point, but certainly most drug users have had a drink in their lives before experimenting with drugs.

When I was 13 and home alone (for the first time I think) I had an opportunity at that bottle of J&B in our cabinets. My parents weren't really drinkers, but kept that old bottle for guests. I ended up drinking half of it mixed with koolaide. That was the last time I drank whiskey in my lifetime. In fact if I even smell the stuff it makes me want to vomit.

My point being, other than a light-hearted story, it certainly wasn't a gateway drug for me.

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I don't know of it true efficacy for glaucoma, but you have a valid point about using it for anti-nausea. Inhalation also provides a quicker uptake than oral meds. In addition, it stimulates appetite.
Cigarettes aren't especially mood altering. You might get a little light headed, but you can get a similar sensation by hyperventilating.
If you ask most drug users what their first experience with a drug was, they are not unlikely to say smoking a joint - until you ask them if they'd ever stolen some shots from their parents' liquor cabinet or gotten an older friend to buy them a 6 pack. So what is the most common "gateway drug", after all?
Nicotene and alcohol. Absolutely.

I sensibly stopped there.

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Years ago I read about an experiment carried out by some Gvt. Agency, don’t know the credibility of the article, but it was somewhere along the line of they taught a group of monkeys to smoke crack cocaine from some type of contraption, and gave them access to an unlimited supply. These same monkeys had plenty of available food and water, yet each one of them smoked crack until they died in under 9 days.
I say we legalize ALL drugs.
I recall that.

Only I think it was rats, and they were given a choice between cocaine and food.

End result was the same - they starved.

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Even more often than stealing alcohol almost all hard drug users have one trait in common. They smoked cigarettes first. I saw the stats on it once and they are rather surprising.
I believe that the concept of a gateway drug has been pretty much debunked. Environmental factors are much bigger. Drug users tend to breed drug users. I don't think it is genetic, they tend to get trapped in an ever lasting loop. An exgirlfriend had a drug problem, her three kids the same. A high number of her friends were drug users and their kids tended to be drug users too.
What is amazing about this is if you get to know the kids young enough they all hated their parents addictions, and yet they did not have the ability to say no when it was their turn.
But think of how many smokers who have never used drugs.

I think it's from the group of friends you choose at a young age that has a strong influence of who you turn out to be. I grew up in a very rural part of New England in the 70's where friends were scarce. My 2 close friends both smoked cigarettes beginning at 15, and as a result, so did I. I honestly don't think it was the cigarettes that lead to the pot, but something did, and at 16 we had all become avid pot smokers and beer drinkers.(2 of the three were also pretty heavy boozers at 16, less one which I explained in my last post! But I was drinking quite a bit of beer by then). This aslo seemed to be the trend with the greater part of the people we hung out with at school. There was no (known) history of drug use or alcoholism an any of our families, and no one of us had ever been subjected to child abuse or any other sort of factor which may lead a child astray. Looking back I think it was out of sheer boredom.

A few years ago I visited this hometown, saw a few familiar faces, but it really hurt to learn that one of the two mentioned friends was doing 10 years in prison for armed robbery, and the other had become a worthless drug addict living with relatives. What turned these people into who they had become was their surroundings growing up.
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I'm no fan of it either. I don't use it and I don't advocate using it, even for medicinal purposes. The real crime is that treating it like a hobgoblin is what has created 99% of the problem.
Once drugs are legalized, the crime associated with them will disappear. It's not the drugs themselves that causes the crime, it's the illegality and subsequent expense that causes the crime, from theft to murder. It will also put these rip off, welfare collecting thugs out of business.

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That's a good point, but certainly most drug users have had a drink in their lives before experimenting with drugs.
When I was 13 and home alone (for the first time I think) I had an opportunity at that bottle of J&B in our cabinets. My parents weren't really drinkers, but kept that old bottle for guests. I ended up drinking half of it mixed with koolaide. That was the last time I drank whiskey in my lifetime. In fact if I even smell the stuff it makes me want to vomit.
My point being, other than a light-hearted story, it certainly wasn't a gateway drug for me.
Far fewer people become chronic drug abusers than the vast numbers who have experimented with drugs and alcohol.

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<quoted text>Once drugs are legalized, the crime associated with them will disappear. It's not the drugs themselves that causes the crime, it's the illegality and subsequent expense that causes the crime, from theft to murder. It will also put these rip off, welfare collecting thugs out of business.
No. The black market is only responsible for a part of antisocial behaviors. Many, many crimes are committed that have nothing to do with drugs, and many crimes are attributed to drugs even though their presence was only peripheral.

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<quoted text>I recall that.
Only I think it was rats, and they were given a choice between cocaine and food.
End result was the same - they starved.
Cocaine triggers dopamine release and blocks its re-absorption. In smoke form it evinces a more immediate gratification than food and creates a strong reward cascade that is closely connected to the survival instinct.

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Let's see, black people are now treated equally, so we got what we wanted there. Women can now vote and own property, we got what we wanted there. Now even gay people are being treated more equally by the laws each year, we're getting what we want there. People who follow superstitious nonsense taught by religion is declining, we're getting what we want there too. Seems you are just scared.
Yes, and you are treated equally. And yes, you do scare me whenever atheist get control it is the end of equal treatment. Thank God America will all ways have spirit and soul. Just because you have no soul does not mean others don't recognize when they yearn.

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wee wrote:
the creation of God is not measure by human being that is why every one is disturbed
The 'Creation of God' is mythical. So, No, we don't measure it.

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