Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92881 Jun 15, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Topix deletes duplicates. You can still see 'em, but nobody else can.
We can only see them until the duplicate is removed. The only ones that are removed that we CAN see are when we've made posts with naughty words in them (or what the automated software perceives as naughty words in them). But clearing your cookies will make them disappear too.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92882 Jun 15, 2013
toddy wrote:
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huh? I can create a lot of stuff without religion.
I think you meant to ask, "how can you have religion without creation?" That would be a much better and more interesting question. That would put us in the realm of considering religion as something Other than an answer or explanation about where we came from. Which, in fact, it is to most people. Most Christians stopped caring about where they came from when they realized the bible and other media could not really answer this question. Neither can you, neither can "science." Btw, science is not as innocent or predictable as most people think either. Lots of things happen in the scientific world that there is no explanation for. Some of it is very scary.
so what you are saying toddy is that you have gone past the realm of atheism and said "you know what I'm to lazy to find out which is right and which is wrong" so you then create your own universe in which nothing is true.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92883 Jun 15, 2013
toddy wrote:
Why does it always go to religion? Is evolutionism a religion now or what? It's almost as if they are trying to disprove creation rather than teach science. I don't think it disproves creation at all...I mean, someone/thing had to create this "tree of life" or "common ape-like ancestor" right? Or at least create the elements that set things into motion. Nothing evolves from nothing. Yes, you can quote me on that
You all do know that Darwin was a Christian, right? He even strengthened his faith in God after his research because it only proved to him that we humans know absolutely nothing on the grandest scale.
Why don't you all just tell the real truth and admit that you have no idea about where we came from? What does evolution prove?? Anything at all other than, things change when they have to? DUH! You call that a theory?
Evolution is science. As such it makes no theological claims. All evolution does is scientifically demonstrate common ancestry. Fundies oppose science so they seek to replace science in science classes with religious apologetics. So while scientists in labs all across the world happily continue their research into evolutionary biology giving us medicine, vaccines and increased crop yields, science education in public schools is threatened by religious evangelicals who hate the science that gives them all their modern comforts.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92884 Jun 15, 2013
Dinoeater wrote:
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in my history class we were watching this video about america (i think it was the 80s) in one part it said that is type of std (forgot which one) first began with homosexuals and transexuals. I did not invent it if you want to complain to someone blame the public school and history.
oh and the only ones that last a few years are the ones doing it wrong.
Then the vid you watched was BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#History
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92885 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The OT is the source of your religion. You can't just throw it away because it's inconvenient.
my reply to wood tick answered this i guess i was.... misunderstood.(starts moping in the corner)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92886 Jun 15, 2013
Dinoeater wrote:
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I never said that the old testament was wrong It's all correct. what he said was since we don't have the original bible we cannot be sure that what the new ones say is correct.
and maybe if he appeared in modern times. but unfortunately they didn't have modern technology back then so yeah. and also why do you think every religion world wide has a some elements from the bible in them? because the bible is real.
So the Old Testament is correct but the translations aren't. But you don't HAVE the original Bible but you still know it's correct even though you don't have it, don't know what it says, couldn't even read it even if you did have it, and only have translations which are wrong and contradictory to scientific reality.

Oh, and not every religion has elements of the Bible, unless you refer to the extremely generic concept of invisible deities. In which case you could say that all religions have elements of the Aztec pantheon.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92887 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Evolution is science. As such it makes no theological claims. All evolution does is scientifically demonstrate common ancestry. Fundies oppose science so they seek to replace science in science classes with religious apologetics. So while scientists in labs all across the world happily continue their research into evolutionary biology giving us medicine, vaccines and increased crop yields, science education in public schools is threatened by religious evangelicals who hate the science that gives them all their modern comforts.
yes medicines and vaccines which only temporarily heals us but then in the long run causes us more health problems so....yeah.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92888 Jun 15, 2013
Dinoeater wrote:
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well the bible did say there would be plagues and diseases in the end time no? look at swine flu.
Despite the fact they were FAR more prevalent back then, before the age of medicine. In short, the Bible made "predictions" of what the world would be like based on what the world was like already.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92889 Jun 15, 2013
toddy wrote:
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huh? I can create a lot of stuff without religion.
I think you meant to ask, "how can you have religion without creation?" That would be a much better and more interesting question. That would put us in the realm of considering religion as something Other than an answer or explanation about where we came from. Which, in fact, it is to most people. Most Christians stopped caring about where they came from when they realized the bible and other media could not really answer this question. Neither can you, neither can "science." Btw, science is not as innocent or predictable as most people think either. Lots of things happen in the scientific world that there is no explanation for. Some of it is very scary.
Yes, VERY scary...

“If It Is Possible”

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Since: Mar 13

It Will Likely Happen

#92890 Jun 15, 2013
Dinoeater wrote:
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easy
once upon a time long ago space was extremely small then for some random reason it expanded. and then molecules started mixing together to form proteins which bonded together to form life. then that life for some strange reason felt like it had to evolve and said to itself " I HAVE THE POWER" and boom it grew other organs and body parts.
Now don't forget that "one" life formation that science says we ALL came from evolved into an estimated 10 million different spieces of plants, animals, fungi, bacteria ect ect.

“What's your story? Nevermind.”

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Since: Apr 13

none of my business.

#92891 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Despite the fact they were FAR more prevalent back then, before the age of medicine. In short, the Bible made "predictions" of what the world would be like based on what the world was like already.
It made predictions not knowing how advanced we would become.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#92892 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Depends. Has it made you more susceptible to fundie apologetics?
Not really. But it has opened my mind to washing my next load of laundry in cold water.

You know how scalp wounds are.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92893 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Despite the fact they were FAR more prevalent back then, before the age of medicine. In short, the Bible made "predictions" of what the world would be like based on what the world was like already.
ah but you cannot prove there were more diseases back then. you are just basing that off the fact that they had little knowledge of modern technology.

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The Borderland of Sol

#92894 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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We can only see them until the duplicate is removed. The only ones that are removed that we CAN see are when we've made posts with naughty words in them (or what the automated software perceives as naughty words in them). But clearing your cookies will make them disappear too.
One of the reasons I rarely use icky words.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92895 Jun 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So the Old Testament is correct but the translations aren't. But you don't HAVE the original Bible but you still know it's correct even though you don't have it, don't know what it says, couldn't even read it even if you did have it, and only have translations which are wrong and contradictory to scientific reality.
Oh, and not every religion has elements of the Bible, unless you refer to the extremely generic concept of invisible deities. In which case you could say that all religions have elements of the Aztec pantheon.
It's called learning 2 languages.
many of them talk about a flood or something like that but no I didn't mean the deities because we only have one while mostly all of the others have more than one.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92896 Jun 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Now don't forget that "one" life formation that science says we ALL came from evolved into an estimated 10 million different spieces of plants, animals, fungi, bacteria ect ect.
ah good one.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92897 Jun 15, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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It made predictions not knowing how advanced we would become.
ah but even with all the technologies we still can barely handle the diseases.
Dinoeater

Clifton, NJ

#92898 Jun 15, 2013
well I'll be back next Friday so yeah....unless I evolve wings and take a trip around world. all I have to do is think "I HAVE THE POOOWWWEEER" ah ah ah.
so yeah bye everyone.

“If It Is Possible”

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Since: Mar 13

It Will Likely Happen

#92899 Jun 15, 2013
It is amusing to watch the evolutionists and science dance when they say the great flood never happened. Then someone says then why are there fossils of marine animals and plants found high on the peaks of the mountains. Well they debunk that by saying that the mountains formed over millions of years protruding up out of the earth as the plates shift, or lava pushing up from below, or huge blocks of rock that have slid along a fault and have risen all taking fossils up with them. But yet when you say “but science says” mountains were formed when the earth’s surface began to cool and harden. They then say yes “they did” but over time those mountains were worn away by the action of wind, rain, frost and other such natural forces. So the ones we have now are newer and still growing. LMAO they have no clue of anything.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#92900 Jun 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
It is amusing to watch the evolutionists and science dance when they say the great flood never happened. Then someone says then why are there fossils of marine animals and plants found high on the peaks of the mountains. Well they debunk that by saying that the mountains formed over millions of years protruding up out of the earth as the plates shift, or lava pushing up from below, or huge blocks of rock that have slid along a fault and have risen all taking fossils up with them. But yet when you say “but science says” mountains were formed when the earth’s surface began to cool and harden. They then say yes “they did” but over time those mountains were worn away by the action of wind, rain, frost and other such natural forces. So the ones we have now are newer and still growing. LMAO they have no clue of anything.
The fossils on top of mountains does not match what the various flood geologies would predict.

Really, are you that ignorant?

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