Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#92632 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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So in the same perspective of your thinking, then all evolutionist should have to be required to go sit and listen to the sermons at the churches.
I already do that.

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#92633 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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Science is not only evolution. There is so much more to science that evolution is just a little drop in the bucket. If a person is studying something that has nothing to do with neither religion or evolution then they should not be required to study about them. If a religious scientist teaches you how to dissect a frog he will teach you the same way a evolution scientists will. I remember in school and college, in science, biology, microbiology, anatomy ect ect we didn't talk about religion or evolution.
Actually, evolution isn't a drop in the bucket considering it is the foundation of modern biology.

I suppose when you are on the board of the university or college of your choice you can make that case.

What makes you think those frog dissectors aren't one in the same. You are making a classic mistake. Science does not equal atheism and atheism does not need science. You have heard the anti-evolution line for so long it has become part of your foundation.

That must have been a very, very long time ago. Evolution was taught and discussed in my biology classes. Religion didn't come up much since it was a science curriculum.

A well rounded education does and should include a variety of coursework in a number of different areas. Perhaps instead of as you suggest, more students took science courses, there wouldn't be room for scared, ignorant people to fabricate a fictional controversy.

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#92634 Jun 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, evolution isn't a drop in the bucket considering it is the foundation of modern biology.
I suppose when you are on the board of the university or college of your choice you can make that case.
What makes you think those frog dissectors aren't one in the same. You are making a classic mistake. Science does not equal atheism and atheism does not need science. You have heard the anti-evolution line for so long it has become part of your foundation.
That must have been a very, very long time ago. Evolution was taught and discussed in my biology classes. Religion didn't come up much since it was a science curriculum.
A well rounded education does and should include a variety of coursework in a number of different areas. Perhaps instead of as you suggest, more students took science courses, there wouldn't be room for scared, ignorant people to fabricate a fictional controversy.
Not a very very long time ago, but it was long ago. 20 years ago I graduated with my second masters. I went into college right out of high school. I am now 48 and still study and learn everyday, many things I do require yearly CEU's(to make sure we are up-to-date). I don't see it as a natter of being scared, I see it as what they believe and I am not one that thinks someone should be told what they believe is wrong and that they should change what they believe.

Just a short list of sciences but not all require knowing about evolution.
Botany, Chemistry, Mineralogy, Biology, Astronomy, Geology, Microbiology, Paleontology, Medicine, Pathology, Linguistics, Entomology, Seismology, Forestry, Ichthyology.

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#92635 Jun 13, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nope, you're a religious nut, many of you idiots come here trying to claim you are not religious, yet every single one eventually slips up and gets outed by their own posts. I'm wagering you're a sock of one of those.
"a sock of one of those" What does that actually mean? lol

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#92636 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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Not a very very long time ago, but it was long ago. 20 years ago I graduated with my second masters. I went into college right out of high school. I am now 48 and still study and learn everyday, many things I do require yearly CEU's(to make sure we are up-to-date). I don't see it as a natter of being scared, I see it as what they believe and I am not one that thinks someone should be told what they believe is wrong and that they should change what they believe.
Just a short list of sciences but not all require knowing about evolution.
Botany, Chemistry, Mineralogy, Biology, Astronomy, Geology, Microbiology, Paleontology, Medicine, Pathology, Linguistics, Entomology, Seismology, Forestry, Ichthyology.
In order to learn science such as those you list, you must have a solid, basic understanding of the underlying principles which includes the theory of evolution. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you won't understand biology and a vast number of sciences very well or at all without that. People (including scientists) may tell other people (including scientists) to believe or not believe a whole lot of things, but it isn't part of the structure of science. However, if you say that the biblical flood is real, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that Adam and Eve were the first people, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, there is nothing in science to support that. Science has large bodies of evidence that would not exist if a flood occurred. Science has large bodies of evidence that show human existence back millions of years to before we were human. Science has large bodies of evidence that show that the Earth is over four billion years old and the universe may at least be 13 billion years old. These bodies of evidence are growing by the hour, by the day, by the week, by the year. What do you propose be done? Should we just ignore all these facts as if they don't exist and crawl back into the Bronze age? Be my guest. I am staying here.

Surely you must have read other posts on here by creationists. Telling others what to believe is their stock in trade. You do it yourself in a round about way since you started posting. You seem to have some issue with why others are posting here and how they spend their time. You have made no effort to conceal your derision towards at least some of the posters on here. That is telling others what they believe is wrong.

What are your degrees in? Didn't you mention being a retired Marine? Having been raised by a Marine, I have a sentimentality for that branch of the service. My younger brother and I were taught how to defend ourselves from a bayonet attack when we were about 9 or 10 years old. It was great fun then, but I haven't had any call for that skill to date. We used to listen studiously to stories of my father's service in WWII and Korea. Some of them were about those wars as well.

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#92637 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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"a sock of one of those" What does that actually mean? lol
A person with multiple accounts who is known by a name , switches accounts to a sock account and is a brand new person.
There are lots of so called "believers" who do this, and is just another form of dishonesty they embrace.

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#92638 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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"a sock of one of those" What does that actually mean? lol
When you have other registered names besides the one you use most or when an unregistered person registers as if they are new here or while continuing to post unregistered. It is no effort at all to do this. Topix is very friendly to the practice. I have a stalker that followed me all the way from an obscure thread on Missouri politics to this forum. He has had one registered name banned for threats and has at least four others as well as posting unregistered. I find him amusing because he acts like he invented the technique and is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. My registered name is the only one I use, but it started out as a tribute to a guy pretending to be a number of different people. However, there are a number of benign socks on Topix as well. People that register multiple times to replay the Topix game for instance or make a joke of it or forget their password. So like anything it has a good side and a bad side depending on the user.

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#92639 Jun 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>In order to learn science such as those you list, you must have a solid, basic understanding of the underlying principles which includes the theory of evolution. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you won't understand biology and a vast number of sciences very well or at all without that. People (including scientists) may tell other people (including scientists) to believe or not believe a whole lot of things, but it isn't part of the structure of science. However, if you say that the biblical flood is real, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that Adam and Eve were the first people, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, there is nothing in science to support that. Science has large bodies of evidence that would not exist if a flood occurred. Science has large bodies of evidence that show human existence back millions of years to before we were human. Science has large bodies of evidence that show that the Earth is over four billion years old and the universe may at least be 13 billion years old. These bodies of evidence are growing by the hour, by the day, by the week, by the year. What do you propose be done? Should we just ignore all these facts as if they don't exist and crawl back into the Bronze age? Be my guest. I am staying here.
Surely you must have read other posts on here by creationists. Telling others what to believe is their stock in trade. You do it yourself in a round about way since you started posting. You seem to have some issue with why others are posting here and how they spend their time. You have made no effort to conceal your derision towards at least some of the posters on here. That is telling others what they believe is wrong.
What are your degrees in? Didn't you mention being a retired Marine? Having been raised by a Marine, I have a sentimentality for that branch of the service. My younger brother and I were taught how to defend ourselves from a bayonet attack when we were about 9 or 10 years old. It was great fun then, but I haven't had any call for that skill to date. We used to listen studiously to stories of my father's service in WWII and Korea. Some of them were about those wars as well.
Yes I know what you are saying. Science is science. And yes I see it from both side. Yes I am a retired Marine. Went to school during my down downtime. You have to have a back up plan for when you are no longer in the service. Just speaking comically the best defense for a bayonet attack is a bullet lol. But yes again I know what you mean for many times hand to hand has to be done even if by choice to keep covert. My degrees, well I have seen here no matter what a person says he does or holds degrees in he is ridiculed and called a liar ect ect so that I will keep to myself.

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#92640 Jun 13, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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A person with multiple accounts who is known by a name , switches accounts to a sock account and is a brand new person.
There are lots of so called "believers" who do this, and is just another form of dishonesty they embrace.
Thank you. I had never heard that. I will keep that in mind.

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#92641 Jun 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>When you have other registered names besides the one you use most or when an unregistered person registers as if they are new here or while continuing to post unregistered. It is no effort at all to do this. Topix is very friendly to the practice. I have a stalker that followed me all the way from an obscure thread on Missouri politics to this forum. He has had one registered name banned for threats and has at least four others as well as posting unregistered. I find him amusing because he acts like he invented the technique and is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. My registered name is the only one I use, but it started out as a tribute to a guy pretending to be a number of different people. However, there are a number of benign socks on Topix as well. People that register multiple times to replay the Topix game for instance or make a joke of it or forget their password. So like anything it has a good side and a bad side depending on the user.
And thank you for the answer as well. I will keep that in mind. I had never heard that. Just proof again learning never stops even if it is a simple thing.

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#92642 Jun 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>In order to learn science such as those you list, you must have a solid, basic understanding of the underlying principles which includes the theory of evolution. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but you won't understand biology and a vast number of sciences very well or at all without that. People (including scientists) may tell other people (including scientists) to believe or not believe a whole lot of things, but it isn't part of the structure of science. However, if you say that the biblical flood is real, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that Adam and Eve were the first people, there is nothing in science to support that. If you say that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, there is nothing in science to support that. Science has large bodies of evidence that would not exist if a flood occurred. Science has large bodies of evidence that show human existence back millions of years to before we were human. Science has large bodies of evidence that show that the Earth is over four billion years old and the universe may at least be 13 billion years old. These bodies of evidence are growing by the hour, by the day, by the week, by the year. What do you propose be done? Should we just ignore all these facts as if they don't exist and crawl back into the Bronze age? Be my guest. I am staying here.
Surely you must have read other posts on here by creationists. Telling others what to believe is their stock in trade. You do it yourself in a round about way since you started posting. You seem to have some issue with why others are posting here and how they spend their time. You have made no effort to conceal your derision towards at least some of the posters on here. That is telling others what they believe is wrong.
What are your degrees in? Didn't you mention being a retired Marine? Having been raised by a Marine, I have a sentimentality for that branch of the service. My younger brother and I were taught how to defend ourselves from a bayonet attack when we were about 9 or 10 years old. It was great fun then, but I haven't had any call for that skill to date. We used to listen studiously to stories of my father's service in WWII and Korea. Some of them were about those wars as well.
Let me clarify a little more. I graduated high school in 82, went ROTC (other than basic, right to college) in the 80's we had plenty of down time so school seemed to be the wise choice while one had the time and could do it. The 80's were a slow time for US war other than Grenada and Panama which we refer to as overnight wars. Since the early 90's down time doesn't happen that often and when they do get it,it is just a break, usually a year to year 1/2 then back out again.

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#92643 Jun 13, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I know what you are saying. Science is science. And yes I see it from both side. Yes I am a retired Marine. Went to school during my down downtime. You have to have a back up plan for when you are no longer in the service. Just speaking comically the best defense for a bayonet attack is a bullet lol. But yes again I know what you mean for many times hand to hand has to be done even if by choice to keep covert. My degrees, well I have seen here no matter what a person says he does or holds degrees in he is ridiculed and called a liar ect ect so that I will keep to myself.
To be fair, a person is usually ridiculed when they claim a degree that doesn't fit the content of their posts. For example, this character HTS claims to have a medical degree, but the content of his/her posts don't show much actual knowledge of science. I would expect someone with a medical degree to maintain at least that. I know a number of physicians and whether they are religious or not they understand the science. My recent stalker has claimed to be a surgeon, an astrophysicist, and engineer and a PhD psychologist. You don't mind if I doubt these unless you think Doc Savage or Buckaroo Bonzai is posting here. However, I respect your desire to keep your personal information your own.

Yes, the bullet option was mentioned, but of course the training was for fun and an example when the bullet option was not available. We ate those stories up. We were good little recruits until we became teenagers. I remember a story dad told us when I was in first grade. He made it up, but I didn't know and he didn't know I would tell it all over school. Basically, he was stranded on a island, cut off from his unit. He was on a plateau overlooking a beach with 20,000 Japanese soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder. He stepped off the high ground onto the helmets of the soldiers and picked up weapons as he went. Finally he was able to capture the lot of them. I recall vaguely telling this to my entire class. The response was "my dad captured 40,000 soldiers." Some of his other stories turned out to be true.

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#92644 Jun 14, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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Let me clarify a little more. I graduated high school in 82, went ROTC (other than basic, right to college) in the 80's we had plenty of down time so school seemed to be the wise choice while one had the time and could do it. The 80's were a slow time for US war other than Grenada and Panama which we refer to as overnight wars. Since the early 90's down time doesn't happen that often and when they do get it,it is just a break, usually a year to year 1/2 then back out again.
Yeah, I remember the 80's when we only thought we might go to war. And the 90's and 2000's when we really did. I took advantage of what the VA had to offer dependents toward a college education. I did the first two years of ROTC and decided it wasn't for me. Sometimes I think maybe I should have stuck with it, but I had another track in mind that I do not regret taking. I have since had opportunities to join but passed on them. Now I have reached an age that if the military wants me, we all better worry.

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#92645 Jun 14, 2013
GLXGT wrote:
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Oh and who said anything being in a different state is a different thing> Not me. You brought that up. That would be something like a straw man fallacy don't you think. And yes "straw man fallacy" is spelt that way, not "strawman" as you always spell it. LMFAO
Snow = frozen water .... it's water ... that's frozen ... different state, same thing. Moron. That's just one, you are no longer worth more time.

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treat you they get offended.

#92646 Jun 14, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Russia and Ethiopia were anti-semitic countries, atheistic, communist countries when the Jew wanted to leave those places and return to Israel.
Russia refused to open its borders until global pressure was put on them.
Ethiopia wouldn't open its borders either...they had to be paid off.
Isaiah 43:5-6
"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north,`Give them up!' and to the south,`Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…
The political restrictions set on a country by its politicians have bugger all to do with the religion of its people. In the case of Russia these restrictions were set for various reasons including national security and the unwillingness to start a brain drain given the political tensions with the US of the time. It was not just Jews who were prevented from leaving the country, EVERYONE was.

As for Ethiopia I am unaware what the reasons were but I assume that their aim was cash, which they got.

Note that for an atheist country Russia boasts over 100 million christians. Stalin took great political risk in reinstating the churches and religious institutions. Russia has no state religion but then again neither does France or the USA. Are you saying these are atheist countries?

I don’t really see what a babble quote has to do with modern day politics but hey here is one right back at ya

Exodus 2:12 (KJV)

And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

FYI, in most modern political systems that would be called premeditated murder

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#92647 Jun 14, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you Charles. These Evoutionist seem to never understand that our existence is a miracle from our Creator and he has all power to accomplish this. As always God bless you.
My prayers and regards, many thanks.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92648 Jun 14, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I'll never understand why Atheist can not come to terms with their history of failure towards free speech and human rights under control or leadership.
I'll never understand why creationists can not come to terms with their history of failure towards free speech and human rights under control or leadership.

You uh, DO remember THOUSANDS of years of rule under the Divine Right of Kings, right?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92649 Jun 14, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>He gave every living thing instructions to be fruitful and to multiply after their own kind and thats it.
If by "after their own kind" you mean they don't violate nested hierarchies, I would agree.

Other than that though I'd say you know very little about God's creation because you're too busy idolizing an old book instead of paying attention to reality.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92650 Jun 14, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Why in your mind is nature limited to creating live things?
He didn't say it was. Nature created everything that is not artificial.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Is fire self reproductive?
Is lighting reproductive?
Is diamonds reproductive?
You can see where this is going I hope.
Way ahead of ya. Notice how you are using the old bait-and-switch method, referring to biological organisms, physical/chemical reactions and non-replicating artificial objects.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Science can't measure complexity?
Wow it use to be able to. What happened? Is a bike to complex for something that created man?
Of course complexity can be measured by science. Creationists can't. That's the difference.

Creationists think the issue is about "complexity", assuming nature can only make simple things and designers can only make complex things. If that is the case then creationists need to explain exactly how "complexity" is measured, what the demarcation line is between "designed" and "non-designed", and how that demarcation line was determined in an objective manner via the scientific method. Once THAT is done they need to propose the mechanisms used for which particular "designs" and evidence of them. Of course to go with all that you would need scientific evidence that this "designer" of yours exists in the first place.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#92651 Jun 14, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Not why would it its why didn't it?
It created flowers for the Bees.
Flowers were first.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
It created oceans for the fish.
Oceans came first.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
It created air for us.
Air came first.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
It created the Sun and put the earth just far enough away from it.
Same with other solar systems. And plenty of planets not in the life zone.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
It created light for our eyes to work.
Life adapted to light.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Why not a bike?
Because it's artificial and cannot be created via chemical means.

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