Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

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imagine2011 wrote:
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We can debate the Shroud forever and neither one of us can prove which "article" is true or false.
We can only give our personal beliefs.
When it comes to matters of theology, perhaps. When it comes to matters of science, no, only you can give your personal beliefs.

Evidence is not relevant for your position.

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We can debate the Shroud forever and neither one of us can prove which "article" is true or false.
We can only give our personal beliefs.
Wrong. If one side is using garbage resources, which I assure you that you are, it can be very clear which side is right and which side is wrong.

I keep trying to steer this debate back to science, by the way who woulda thunk that you would use science in a scientific debate, is because the world of science has a way of checking itself. It is called peer review.

Creationists avoid peer review like the plague. Certain sites have developed their own "peer review" which is nothing more than a creatard circle jerk. Real peer review is a scary process even for real scientists. That is why it scares the bejeebers out of creatards.
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briky wrote:
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So you stance is very clear and easy to figure out. You have no idea where I stand but since you don't you just "assume" and start running me down. What a great way to get people on your side to support you. SMH
Yes we do. You're a nihilist standing in sh t.

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So I guess I can assume you are a loon as well. No matter what you believe for you act like an @ss.
Nope, that is simply you projecting your faults upon others.

You have shown yourself to be a loon in several ways. You should embrace the fact that you are a loon instead of running away from it.

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Nope, that is simply you projecting your faults upon others.
You have shown yourself to be a loon in several ways. You should embrace the fact that you are a loon instead of running away from it.
What faults have I projected upon others. This should be interesting to see what you make up.
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This controversy is alive and well here in generally conservative southwestern Ohio.

http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/parents-a...

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http://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/lis...
And this is why:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/A_Scientific_Dis...
Never mind the fact your link is itself internally inconsistent, as WELL as contradicting your subsequent linkys in the same post.
And again those are links "YOU" "The DUDE" posted. Not I. Try again.
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Jeffersonian wrote:
This controversy is alive and well here in generally conservative southwestern Ohio.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/parents-a...
Interesting...Let us know how it turns out.

Me thought, the fair thing to do is:

*** either teach BOTH or teach NONE***

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Jeffersonian wrote:
This controversy is alive and well here in generally conservative southwestern Ohio.
http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/parents-a...
Although there is CLEARLY a "controversy" in Ohio as it pertains to the Theory of Evolution, it is NOT a SCIENTIFIC controversy, it is a POLITICAL &/or THEOLOGICAL controversy.

Amongst scientists in relevant fields (i.e.: Life or Earth Sciences), there IS NO "CONTROVERSY". Over 99.9% of said professionals in the field accept, support and USE the Theory of Evolution.

Besides, teaching Intelligent Design &/or Creationism in public schools is illegal according to Supreme Court rulings.

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imagine2011 wrote:
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Interesting...Let us know how it turns out.
Me thought, the fair thing to do is:
*** either teach BOTH or teach NONE***
Science in the science class, mythology in the literature classes, thus evolution in science, religion in literature. There, both being taught as they should be.
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Although there is CLEARLY a "controversy" in Ohio as it pertains to the Theory of Evolution, it is NOT a SCIENTIFIC controversy, it is a POLITICAL &/or THEOLOGICAL controversy.
Amongst scientists in relevant fields (i.e.: Life or Earth Sciences), there IS NO "CONTROVERSY". Over 99.9% of said professionals in the field accept, support and USE the Theory of Evolution.
Besides, teaching Intelligent Design &/or Creationism in public schools is illegal according to Supreme Court rulings.
and teaching Evolution in public schools may soon be illegal according to the Supreme Court, since it goes against the religious beliefs of most of the people who pay the taxes for the schools.
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Interesting...Let us know how it turns out.
Me thought, the fair thing to do is:
*** either teach BOTH or teach NONE***

I have severe mixed feelings about what's going on in my community.
I and my family are practicing Christians. I understand and believe in the Jeffersonian principles regarding the separation of church & state. Because this nation is and has always been the world's melting pot, it's only common sense that we as a nation have a public education system that is religion-neutral. Yet at the same time I'm not a big fan of the ACLU and their heavy-handed bullying tactics.

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and teaching Evolution in public schools may soon be illegal according to the Supreme Court, since it goes against the religious beliefs of most of the people who pay the taxes for the schools.
The Supreme Court of the US already ruled against creationism, end of story.

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there is none good but one, that is, God:
This man had 'faith' that Jesus was God so he would be saved by faith thru grace.
This man's false god or idol was money. He worshipped his own wealth more than he loved God.
Has anyone told you about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? If you believe in him you can see him. He will grant you all your deepest wishes; all you have to do is believe he exists and you can have everything you ask for.
The little green men who live on the other side of the moon brought him here from the Holy Planet Purgatory which is in the same solar system as is the planet Kolob.
I am glad I have been the one to bring you to the truth.

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Oh you must mean where as evolutionist take out of context in their own words that it says the earth is flat. It does not say that but that is what you all read. Four corners of the earth, hmmmm maybe N, S, E, and W?
Isaiah 38:8, "Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."

You believe we should trust a book that tells us the sun went backwards in the sky?

Luke 4:5, "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."

No matter how high the mountain was one can not see "all" the kingdoms of the world. Perhaps if the earth were flat this might be remotely possible.

And lastly "n" is not a corner. The earth is round and no matter how many times you insist it is flat with corners you will not change the reality of it.

I had a really stupid pew warming woman pull out a map of the world and point to the four corners of the map and say, "there are your four corners!" The Bible says the four corners of the earth not the four corners of a map.

All this shows how warming pews divorces people from reality.

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Jeffersonian wrote:
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I have severe mixed feelings about what's going on in my community.
I and my family are practicing Christians. I understand and believe in the Jeffersonian principles regarding the separation of church & state. Because this nation is and has always been the world's melting pot, it's only common sense that we as a nation have a public education system that is religion-neutral. Yet at the same time I'm not a big fan of the ACLU and their heavy-handed bullying tactics.
Even here?

http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

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<quoted text> Rev 22:13
We have already established that the Bible is unreliable and can not be trusted to tell us anything.

Who or what created this God of yours. Where did it come from and how did it come into existence?

Quoting unreliable contradictory bible verses does not answer anything.

“See how you are?”

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Hey man, do I look like a leader to you?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R-j_-pi-Iek/TWQmRME...
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Well sure, with about $3,000 for a hair style and a suit he might pass for a televangelist. Better make it five grand to cover the coke, hookers and bar tab.

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If God is the first Cause no other creators need apply.
Do you have any scientific evidence that the universe had a natural cause? Me neither.
You are living proof that warming pews lowers your IQ.

That is a mighty big 'if' up there.

And if God does not need a creator then neither does the Universe. The Universe has always existed, certainly in a differnt form that we are familiar with today.

Do you understand what a phase transition is? Where liquid water transitions into a solid frozen mass or becomes steam which is neither a solid or a liguid? How does this take place?

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I would say Jesus' body was buried and Jesus' spirit went to heaven to be with God, his father, so he could forever look upon on and watch over us.
You intentionally missed the point. If Jesus is EVERYWHERE as the Bible tells us, Satan can not leave his presence because there is now where Satan could go that Jesus isn't already there, yet the Bible tells us Satan did just that.

The Bible also tells us that Adam and Eve hid from God, a being that is alledged to be everywhere. That must have been quite a trick, hiding from a being who is EVERYWHERE.

This silly stories are not the words of an all inteligent all knowing being they are nothing more than a collection of ancient Jewish Puppet Plays.

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