Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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#90857 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Please show me where the words "separation of church and state" are mentioned in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence.
I know plenty of children that will burn in hell because of your indoctrination of your monkey religion.
Do I need to quote the 1st amendment to you?

How christian of you. Threatening people with hell. Your jeebus would be proud.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90858 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That does not change that birds descended from dinosaurs. You are still attempting to state that evolution is directional, so again, you betray you know nothing of the subject that was not gleaned from creationist websites.
Science Daily isn't a creationist site. You know the site that pointed out you may have gotten it backwards.

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#90859 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is a long silence in heaven when the damned are judged, for this is the last sadness endured. No one wants anyone to perish and there is a time set aside for grieving for the lost souls who are sent to hell.
Rev. 8:1
Now when the Lamb opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
Ahahhahahah. Wow. Thanks for the laugh.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90860 May 28, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that your understanding of the information doesn't agree with his misinterpretation of it
Or scientific paranoia created a problem where none existed. LOL.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90861 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Science Daily isn't a creationist site. You know the site that pointed out you may have gotten it backwards.
You can quote from another source, but your implications do not agree with the source you are quoting, thus your only real source is the creationist sites.
NoReligionPlease

Tulsa, OK

#90862 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Not necessarily, that is the problem. Originally religion was government, it was not as nuts as it is today, either. What happened is that the con artists became the religious leaders when other governments formed to replace them, when they should have just been deemed obsolete and placed in their rightful place as superstition. It was the old religions, the ones often attacked and destroyed by the modern ones and called "evil" that gave us government and organized society.
So yes, if there were no religion today it would be a more peaceful world, but without religion in the past, there would be no human society and thus, no humans alive today.
I should have made myself clear. If there were no religion TODAY.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90863 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You can quote from another source, but your implications do not agree with the source you are quoting, thus your only real source is the creationist sites.
You seem confused.

'What do the researchers conclude about bird evolution, then?“This discovery probably means that birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs, starting that process before most dinosaur species even existed,” Ruben noted.

“That’s quite possible and is routinely found in evolution. It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later,” said Quick.

The scientists believe the similarities between birds and dinosaurs show that they possibly shared a common ancestor that eventually gave rise to not only birds and dinosaurs, but also crocodilians. However, their research reported that the lung structure and physiology of dinosaurs was likely much more similar to crocodilians than to birds.

“Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-Bird Links,”, June 9, 2009

The article states birds did not evolve from dinosaurs since birds existed before most dinosaurs.

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#90864 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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There is no known ancient Hebrew claiming the world is flat.
No but all known ancient Hebrew, suggests the world is flat.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#90865 May 28, 2013
OOOOObama wrote:
What are your opinions on the Shroud of Turin? Have any of you researched into it, honestly? On Wikipedia, in the "Recent developments" section of the Shroud of Turin article, even some agnostics believe that the Shroud is genuine. If it's genuine, how could the face and EVERYTHING be so perfect, short of a miracle? This would be impossible to deny. You would HAVE to believe in Jesus! If such a miracle as this is possible, then so would be the other miracles, such as the Resurrection. After all, this isn't just Jesus' blood randomly splattered on a linen cloth, rather, it actually forms a FACE -- the face of Jesus Christ Himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin
So what if the image of Jesus on the cloth is real, it doesn't prove anything. It's probably a painting and it's not old enough to be genuine but it doesn't even matter. It's one of many lies and frauds in Christianity.

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Earth

#90866 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You forgot Eric Hovind.
The Dude proved he has leadership qualities.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90867 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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You seem confused.
'What do the researchers conclude about bird evolution, then?“This discovery probably means that birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs, starting that process before most dinosaur species even existed,” Ruben noted.
“That’s quite possible and is routinely found in evolution. It just seems pretty clear now that birds were evolving all along on their own and did not descend directly from the theropod dinosaurs, which lived many millions of years later,” said Quick.
The scientists believe the similarities between birds and dinosaurs show that they possibly shared a common ancestor that eventually gave rise to not only birds and dinosaurs, but also crocodilians. However, their research reported that the lung structure and physiology of dinosaurs was likely much more similar to crocodilians than to birds.
“Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-Bird Links,”, June 9, 2009
The article states birds did not evolve from dinosaurs since birds existed before most dinosaurs.
We still classify their parent species as dinosaur, that's what you are failing to understand. That means birds evolved from dinosaurs no matter how you spin it. However, for you to hold to this notion you are trying to play, you still have to admit that birds evolved.

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#90868 May 28, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>So what if the image of Jesus on the cloth is real, it doesn't prove anything. It's probably a painting and it's not old enough to be genuine but it doesn't even matter. It's one of many lies and frauds in Christianity.
You mean it's just ANOTHER Holy Piltdown Man? Who could have guessed? Not Defender, that's certain.
Sillyness

Edmonton, Canada

#90869 May 28, 2013
Have any considered the exaggeration of these stories?

Not since has there been such examples of events. Unless to look at nature itself.

Preaching of events described from thousands of years ago.

Perhaps these people described these events the only way one could.

One seems to put much faith in tales of things that could only be told as a story.

The only god you need is in you. Preach your scriptures all one wants but to be convinced they are of fact is far fetched.

Cling to your leather bindings and you will never find YHWH. Because he does not exist in them.

I'm so grateful I have found god. And realize the depth of his love. And the vastness of his exsistance.

Stone walls and glass will not guide you.

You only need to look within yourself.

God is the universe, god will grant you every wish, god will give you abundance.

You need to only ask. And live with eyes wide open.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90870 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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In regards to atheism and morality, the Barna Group found that atheists/agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior, and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.
Bummer!
In the meantime fundies in America were more likely to support a genocide-loving invisible Jew responsible for more deaths and abortion than anyone or anything ever, slavery, rape, and shagging their sister, and calling it all "GOOD", all on the say-so of an old book which claims the Earth is flat.

Oh, and massive hypocrisy, let's not forget that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90871 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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You have basically two choices. You can ignore my posts or ask for cheese with your whine.
You basically have two choices. You can make coherent posts backed up with objectively verifiable scientific evidence or treated as just another religious end-timer nut.(shrug)

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#90872 May 28, 2013
whoops, I meant downhill246... Defender is a different thread, different drone.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90873 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You forgot Eric Hovind.
I forgot many probably, but Hovind Snr was there so that'll do to cover his subsequent demon-spawns.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90874 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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How is that spontaneous creation via chemical means working out for you? LOL.
Yup. One of us has a viable research program.

It ain't you.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90875 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
Just pointing out that the accepted notion that birds came from dinosaurs is in dispute and the word "may" sounds like the authors are doing a bit of speculating. Just saying.
Many things within evolution are in dispute. Same with gravity. Germ theory of disease. In fact ANY theory you care to mention. Scientists have differing ideas of HOW the specifics of these concepts work. This is normal for any scientific theory.

What they DON'T dispute in any way is whether or not evolution occurred. The only people who do are either reality-denying creationists and the occasional crank.
downhill246 wrote:
"Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades"
Dr Francis Collins, physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP).
Bingo, the man was an evolutionary biologist. And a theist. And certainly not a reality-denying YEC.

The theory of evolution makes no theological claims. Just like any other scientific theory.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90876 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Heck you could do the same with atheists and their population numbers are much less than Christians so "too many" is a relative figure, is it not?
It sure is.

Except each and every single one of those I named I can quite easily demonstrate their dishonesty. Which last I heard was supposed to be against one of their (apparently unimportant) Ten Commandments... or something...

However atheism is irrelevant to the validity of science, and indeed this whole topic really. If you're looking for the fantasy of the "fundamentalist atheist" I suggest you find Skippy the Skeptic. Fundies think they've found that in me and get quite frustrated that I couldn't care less about atheism.

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