Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90874 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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How is that spontaneous creation via chemical means working out for you? LOL.
Yup. One of us has a viable research program.

It ain't you.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90875 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
Just pointing out that the accepted notion that birds came from dinosaurs is in dispute and the word "may" sounds like the authors are doing a bit of speculating. Just saying.
Many things within evolution are in dispute. Same with gravity. Germ theory of disease. In fact ANY theory you care to mention. Scientists have differing ideas of HOW the specifics of these concepts work. This is normal for any scientific theory.

What they DON'T dispute in any way is whether or not evolution occurred. The only people who do are either reality-denying creationists and the occasional crank.
downhill246 wrote:
"Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades"
Dr Francis Collins, physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP).
Bingo, the man was an evolutionary biologist. And a theist. And certainly not a reality-denying YEC.

The theory of evolution makes no theological claims. Just like any other scientific theory.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90876 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Heck you could do the same with atheists and their population numbers are much less than Christians so "too many" is a relative figure, is it not?
It sure is.

Except each and every single one of those I named I can quite easily demonstrate their dishonesty. Which last I heard was supposed to be against one of their (apparently unimportant) Ten Commandments... or something...

However atheism is irrelevant to the validity of science, and indeed this whole topic really. If you're looking for the fantasy of the "fundamentalist atheist" I suggest you find Skippy the Skeptic. Fundies think they've found that in me and get quite frustrated that I couldn't care less about atheism.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#90877 May 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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In valid quote.
Quotes need to be backed up with links.
Without a link we can't tell if your quote came from a valid source or some whackjob site.
That appeared to be a translated quote from Robert de Clari, about 1203. He was a participant in the Fourh Crusade.

Worth noting that he claimed that the thing stood up by itself, before the crowd, every Friday.

Also that at least some historians believe that he may have confused the story with that of St. Veronica's Handkerchief...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90878 May 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The Dude proved he has leadership qualities.
Hey man, do I look like a leader to you?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R-j_-pi-Iek/TWQmRME...

;-p

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#90879 May 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"...that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors."
Common ancestor. So what's the problem?
Beats the heck out of a "museum" with a triceratops wearing a saddle.
NoReligionPlease

Tulsa, OK

#90880 May 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Hey man, do I look like a leader to you?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R-j_-pi-Iek/TWQmRME...
;-p
The dude in that picture is gay.

“Day is Day”

Level 3

Since: May 13

Night is Night

#90881 May 28, 2013
We are because we are; the best answer anyone can give because no one really knows. Helll we can't even figure out how people of today completely work but yet we claim to have figured out the past for millions even billions of years and how it happened! What a Fcking Joke! We can't even explore the bottom of our own ocean but yet we are going to conquer space? What a Fcking joke! It all is a money scam. If they canít find/prove facts then they falsify studies and make shiit up to keep the funds rolling and keep their high paying cushy job. SMHATS

http://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evo...

http://listverse.com/2008/04/09/top-10-scient...

http://www.neatorama.com/2006/09/19/10scienti...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90882 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The closest thing in modern times we have to slavery is marriage, ironically. But that is still nothing compared to what slavery back then was. Even if it was all flowers and doves like you dishonestly try to paint it, you are still justifying owning another human being as property.
KittenKoder wrote:
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you are still justifying owning another human being as property.
It is the same thing a boss today (employer) does when he has you (employee) sign a contract for employment where you must behave a certain way 24/7, while on the clock or off and then gives you what you need to live for doing it (money, insurance).
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90883 May 28, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Most evidence shows the Shroud to be a fraud. None shows it to be a burial cloth of Jesus.
There is no evidence that shows the Shroud a fraud.

Actually, to this day, people (SCIENTISTS) cant figure out how the figure got on the Shroud.

My idea is that it could be from a radiation type light from His resurrection.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90884 May 28, 2013
briky wrote:
We are because we are; the best answer anyone can give because no one really knows. Helll we can't even figure out how people of today completely work but yet we claim to have figured out the past for millions even billions of years and how it happened! What a Fcking Joke! We can't even explore the bottom of our own ocean but yet we are going to conquer space? What a Fcking joke! It all is a money scam. If they canít find/prove facts then they falsify studies and make shiit up to keep the funds rolling and keep their high paying cushy job. SMHATS
http://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evo...
http://listverse.com/2008/04/09/top-10-scient...
http://www.neatorama.com/2006/09/19/10scienti...
Amen!...(but without all of the profanity)

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90885 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is no evidence that shows the Shroud a fraud.
Actually, to this day, people (SCIENTISTS) cant figure out how the figure got on the Shroud.
My idea is that it could be from a radiation type light from His resurrection.
I have heard that they have figured out how the image got on the shroud. In fact they knew years ago. An artist reproduced it, my source is not at hand. If I recall correctly a statue was made, wrapped in cloth, and chemically treated. I can't remember the details. So I am off on a Google search.

And there is strong evidence that the shroud is a fraud. First and foremost it is too young. A sample was carefully selected and dated. Now conspiracy nuts are trying to lie about the sample after the fact.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90886 May 28, 2013
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90887 May 28, 2013
NoReligionPlease wrote:
<quoted text>The dude in that picture is gay.
I can see you put a lot of time and thought into that retort.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90888 May 28, 2013
briky wrote:
We are because we are; the best answer anyone can give because no one really knows. Helll we can't even figure out how people of today completely work but yet we claim to have figured out the past for millions even billions of years and how it happened! What a Fcking Joke! We can't even explore the bottom of our own ocean but yet we are going to conquer space? What a Fcking joke! It all is a money scam. If they canít find/prove facts then they falsify studies and make shiit up to keep the funds rolling and keep their high paying cushy job. SMHATS
In the meantime here's a dose of reality demonstrating that evolution IS science:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90889 May 28, 2013
And you might want to check out this website:

http://cybercomputing.com/freeinquiry//skepti...

It has links to article after article debunking the Shroud of Turin.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#90890 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is no evidence that shows the Shroud a fraud.
No, there's no evidence PERIOD. According to you that is. Evidence is irrelevant. It is completely superfluous to your position. Of course that would also render your shroud utterly meaningless.

Oh, and the Bible.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90891 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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It is the same thing a boss today (employer) does when he has you (employee) sign a contract for employment where you must behave a certain way 24/7, while on the clock or off and then gives you what you need to live for doing it (money, insurance).
No, it is not, the employer does not own me and the contract can be legally challenged. Think before you post, because you are making a total fool of yourself.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#90892 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is no evidence that shows the Shroud a fraud.
Maybe not an intentional fraud but the carbon dating has yet to be overturned.

http://www.shroud.com/nature.htm

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90893 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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There is no evidence that shows the Shroud a fraud.
Actually, to this day, people (SCIENTISTS) cant figure out how the figure got on the Shroud.
My idea is that it could be from a radiation type light from His resurrection.
... and now you are just making things up.

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