Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90839 May 28, 2013
By the way Downhill, your link did not go to the poll. Care to try again?

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90840 May 28, 2013
Walterwalter wrote:
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a fish has always been a fish
an ant has always been an ant.
a bird has always been a bird.
humans have always been humans.
the complexed INTELLIGENT DESIGN within a single cell confirms creation.
you can't have specific DESIGN without a designer.
simple as falling off a log.
Yes, but that's because we cannot give the same label to the same species otherwise there would be too much confusion. However a bird's greatx10000000 father was a dinosaur.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90841 May 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No problem. We could easy link to the DI, AIG, ICR, TIS, Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind, Ted Haggard, Walt Brown, oh, and right here on Topix dot net - there's a shedload of dishonest creationist YEC fundie liars for Jesus around here.(shrug)
You forgot Eric Hovind.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90842 May 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Apparently finding "scientific evidence" of invisible Jews magically poofing things into existence is not quite so simple after all...


How is that spontaneous creation via chemical means working out for you? LOL.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90843 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, but that's because we cannot give the same label to the same species otherwise there would be too much confusion. However a bird's greatx10000000 father was a dinosaur.
Feb. 10, 2010 — A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of flight.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/...

"It won't fly ,Orville!"

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

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#90844 May 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The US is also one of the most corrupt nations as well. The people in the US thrive on greed and material things. They will lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to get them.
That is kind of an ambiguous statement, don't cha think? You can't speak for all, as I am nothing like what you have just described above. I do belive the US government is corrupt though, has been for years...

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#90845 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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You didn't answer any of my questions, you just twisted words to fit your view, and as usual, you had to throw some unkind and unnecessary jabs.
TJ's letter did not tell the meaning of the ultimate law for our country. LOL!
It was about the Government pushing their own religion and rules of faith on people.
If the government wouldn't have done that (just like the King did in England), TJ would never had to write the letter.
In actuality and historically, Religion and Government just don’t mix well.
In a country of free speech and free choice on religion, it's better to practice and enforce none rather than all. A public school may want little Johnny to pray before class, but what about little Timmy who would rather kneel facing East every day at 12:00? Or little Mikey' s special needs to stand and pray to Allah every morning? Not that a school is necessarily agnostic, but it's just more logical to eliminate religion altogether from school.

How would you feel about a President who fully believed in scientology? Would you trust this man's ability to make sound decisions? Many feel the same way about a President who's openly Christian.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90846 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Feb. 10, 2010 — A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of flight.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/...
"It won't fly ,Orville!"
It's still descended from a dinosaur, or did you not read it all?
NoReligionPlease

Tulsa, OK

#90847 May 28, 2013
If there were no religion anywhere on earth it would be a beautiful world.

http://www.finewebstores.com/zoomify.asp...

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90848 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Feb. 10, 2010 — A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of flight.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/...
"It won't fly ,Orville!"
Since you did not understand the article I will give an extreme dumbed down version for you. There is no debate that birds are the descendants of dinosaurs. The debate is which dinosaurs they are the descendants of. This article shows that the evidence is mounting for birds being descended from tree climbing dinosaurs, not ground dwelling dinosaurs.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#90849 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Feb. 10, 2010 — A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of flight.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/...
"It won't fly ,Orville!"
"...that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors."

Common ancestor. So what's the problem?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90850 May 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"...that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors."
Common ancestor. So what's the problem?
Just pointing out that the accepted notion that birds came from dinosaurs is in dispute and the word "may" sounds like the authors are doing a bit of speculating. Just saying.

"Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades"
Dr Francis Collins, physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP).
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90851 May 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yeah, bummer. A whack job group takes a whack job poll.
How valid is that?
Not very.
Apparently anyone that doesn't agree with you is a whack job. Are you sure your plates aren't rubbing together too tightly?

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90852 May 28, 2013
NoReligionPlease wrote:
If there were no religion anywhere on earth it would be a beautiful world.
http://www.finewebstores.com/zoomify.asp...
Not necessarily, that is the problem. Originally religion was government, it was not as nuts as it is today, either. What happened is that the con artists became the religious leaders when other governments formed to replace them, when they should have just been deemed obsolete and placed in their rightful place as superstition. It was the old religions, the ones often attacked and destroyed by the modern ones and called "evil" that gave us government and organized society.

So yes, if there were no religion today it would be a more peaceful world, but without religion in the past, there would be no human society and thus, no humans alive today.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90853 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It's still descended from a dinosaur, or did you not read it all?
"Ruben said, but that some species now believed to be dinosaurs may have descended from birds."

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90854 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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"Ruben said, but that some species now believed to be dinosaurs may have descended from birds."
That does not change that birds descended from dinosaurs. You are still attempting to state that evolution is directional, so again, you betray you know nothing of the subject that was not gleaned from creationist websites.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90855 May 28, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Apparently anyone that doesn't agree with you is a whack job. Are you sure your plates aren't rubbing together too tightly?
No, not everyone. This was obviously a biased poll. Polls are supposed to be unbiased to have any validity.

Perhaps you could link to the poll. You linked to a biased site that supposedly took the poll. Without seeing the poll I cannot really identify the flaws in it.

Put it this way, would you trust a poll proposed and taken by the Democrat party?

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Since: Nov 07

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#90856 May 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"...that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors."
Common ancestor. So what's the problem?
The problem is that your understanding of the information doesn't agree with his misinterpretation of it

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#90857 May 28, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Please show me where the words "separation of church and state" are mentioned in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence.
I know plenty of children that will burn in hell because of your indoctrination of your monkey religion.
Do I need to quote the 1st amendment to you?

How christian of you. Threatening people with hell. Your jeebus would be proud.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#90858 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That does not change that birds descended from dinosaurs. You are still attempting to state that evolution is directional, so again, you betray you know nothing of the subject that was not gleaned from creationist websites.
Science Daily isn't a creationist site. You know the site that pointed out you may have gotten it backwards.

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