Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219629 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#90774 May 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>This is my first computer and it's a Windows 8. I can't do a lot of things. I've got a guidebook on line but it's like Greek.
Ah, my apologies.

Do you have, like, a 12-year-old niece or nephew?

My niece is my 'puter go-to.

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#90775 May 27, 2013
What I cannot figure out is both sides defend their belief. Both sides try to explain their belief. Both sides name call and belittle the other but yet expect a positive reaction from doing that. It isn't going to happen by name calling and such. If you want to educate each other on your points you both have to have an open mind, be willing to give a little, meet in the middle and all with out all the negative belittling and name calling. For when you try to PUSH instead of CONVERSE all you do is stir up controversy between each other. You would think being both sides claim to be so dang smart you all could figure that simple little thing out but instead you both are blinded by your believe and just push and annoy each other.
Sillyness

Canada

#90776 May 27, 2013
To have lived without regret is to find the kingdom of god. His kingdom lies within you in. Live as you have lived. Fear not the decisions you have made when those choices were made from pure loving intent.

On ones death you can say... I do not regret this life.

You than pass on to the kingdom of heaven. You leave behind your flesh and move to pure light.

Gods wrath is only that. When you regret, you will feel the consequences of your decisions.

God will torment you in every hour of your earthly exsistance. Until you chose to live without regret.

God is in you and always has been. Always will be.

We limit ourselves being trapped by far fetched stories and government bondage.

Kings of long ago hold you to their expectations.

Leaving you to live a shallow existence.

Gods love... Love of yourself.... Frees you.

And in that love you live in his kingdom. As free as he has intended.

Gods wrath is your regret and its poison will devour you soul in is entirety.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#90777 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Look up Job 40:15
Behemoth has the following attributes in Job 40:15-24 •It “eats grass like an ox.”
•It “moves his tail like a cedar.”
•Its “bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron.”
•“He is the first of the ways of God.”
•“He lies under the lotus trees,In a covert of reeds and marsh.”
Where in the heck is that confusing??????????
The key verse that identifies behemoth as the Messiah is :19 "He is the chief of the ways of God, he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him". What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. And regarding :18 there's another scripture that says, "yea saith the spirit, no broken bones".

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#90778 May 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The key verse that identifies behemoth as the Messiah is :19 "He is the chief of the ways of God, he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him". What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. And regarding :18 there's another scripture that says, "yea saith the spirit, no broken bones".
So you are saying the Messiah grazes and eats grass like the ox? Has a big tail like the cedar? He lies under the lotus trees in a covert of reeds and marsh? It's bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron? That may be your Messiah but it isn't mine.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#90779 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, in context the Bible says that the Earth is flat.
To get it to say that the Earth is a sphere you have to take it out of context.
The bible says the earth is round. "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth..." Isaiah 40:22.

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#90780 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Since the New Testament wasn't finalized until the fourth century those Christians were using the Old Testament,to be more specific,the Greek Septuagint which was the Greek version of the Hebrew Old Testament. The fact that they knew the world was a sphere and you didn't know they knew the world was a sphere, merely reflects upon your own ignorance.
So thank you for pointing out , there is no known ancient Hebrew pointing out the fact.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#90781 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So you are saying the Messiah grazes and eats grass like the ox? Has a big tail like the cedar? He lies under the lotus trees in a covert of reeds and marsh? It's bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron? That may be your Messiah but it isn't mine.
Haven't you ever heard of a metaphor?

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Everett, WA

#90782 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Wrong...
There is tons of evidence proving the global flood and Genesis.
There is proof of the Egyptian carriages in the Red Sea.
There are hundreds of proven prophecies also.
Man, you are getting desparate.
Nope, all so called evidence is easily debunked.

And no, when investigated there are no real proven prophecies, but there are debunked ones.

How am I getting desperate? I am not the one who is telling stories that are easily debunked.

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Everett, WA

#90783 May 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The bible says the earth is round. "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth..." Isaiah 40:22.
A circle is flat. Did you fail geometry along with the others here? All descriptions in context describe a flat Earth, not a spherical one.

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Everett, WA

#90784 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Heck, just about every sailor knew the earth was round since sailing ships all came into view top of sails first and mountains that were far away were only visible on top.In addition early Christians using scripture all said the earth was a sphere. I wonder why almost all Christians believed that?
The Hebrews were not well know for being sailors. Some of them were fishermen, that does not make them sailors.

Due to the influence of the Greeks the fact that the world is a sphere was fairly well known after Jesus died. Many translations were affected by the proper knowledge of the shape of the Earth. How do you think Genesis might have been translated if they knew the truth about evolution?

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Everett, WA

#90785 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Maybe you just hang out with liars and thieves which would explain your ASSiest disposition to be a dipsh!t. You are easy.
What, you don't like the fact that I do not accept lies?

I am not a Christian. Lying goes against my personal philosophy. Too many Christians seem to have no problem lying for Jesus.

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#90786 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
A circle is flat. Did you fail geometry along with the others here? All descriptions in context describe a flat Earth, not a spherical one.
But again Sub, with all due respect that is what you are putting it out to be. It never says the Earth is "flat". Now back then they knew "circle" and they knew "flat". They did not have a vast vocabulary nor did they know of 2,3,4 dimensional. So you have to realize the bible was written by simple people that did not know things like we know today.

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Everett, WA

#90787 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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But again Sub, with all due respect that is what you are putting it out to be. It never says the Earth is "flat". Now back then they knew "circle" and they knew "flat". They did not have a vast vocabulary nor did they know of 2,3,4 dimensional. So you have to realize the bible was written by simple people that did not know things like we know today.
No, in context it describes a flat circle. Circles are always flat by definition. They had the word for "ball" in that time too. They never describe the Earth as a ball, but the word does appear in Isaiah. Does it make sense to "hang" a sky over a sphere lilke a tent? No. Does it make sense to "hand" one over a flat disc? Yes. With the sphere there would be no sky over half of the world. For them the supposed sky would be under their feet.

Here is a blog from a scholar of ancient Hebrew who can explain this better than I can:

http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...

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#90788 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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But again Sub, with all due respect that is what you are putting it out to be. It never says the Earth is "flat". Now back then they knew "circle" and they knew "flat". They did not have a vast vocabulary nor did they know of 2,3,4 dimensional. So you have to realize the bible was written by simple people that did not know things like we know today.
They simply had no concept of outer space. Period!

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#90789 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, in context it describes a flat circle. Circles are always flat by definition. They had the word for "ball" in that time too. They never describe the Earth as a ball, but the word does appear in Isaiah. Does it make sense to "hang" a sky over a sphere lilke a tent? No. Does it make sense to "hand" one over a flat disc? Yes. With the sphere there would be no sky over half of the world. For them the supposed sky would be under their feet.
Here is a blog from a scholar of ancient Hebrew who can explain this better than I can:
http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...
Sub I understand what you are saying. But you all bring up biology, geology, algebra, geometry ect ect. One thing is those did not exist back in the biblical days. They were simple people with simple minds and ways. Ask any preschool kid the shape of a ball and 99.9% of them will tell you it is a circle. That's about what their mental capability was like back then. A preschooler compared to a professor now days. That is a silly comparison but again they were simple people that did not know a lot.

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#90790 May 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> They simply had no concept of outer space. Period!
Thank you. You help prove my point they were simple people that in reality did not know anything compared to the people of today.

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#90791 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, in context it describes a flat circle. Circles are always flat by definition. They had the word for "ball" in that time too. They never describe the Earth as a ball, but the word does appear in Isaiah. Does it make sense to "hang" a sky over a sphere lilke a tent? No. Does it make sense to "hand" one over a flat disc? Yes. With the sphere there would be no sky over half of the world. For them the supposed sky would be under their feet.
Here is a blog from a scholar of ancient Hebrew who can explain this better than I can:
http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...
In your link he goes on to say one particular Christian pointed out that a circle and sphere are the same, wow, I know, but it’s so sadly true. He then tried to elaborate,”What is a box?”, my reply ”It’s a cube, it is three dimensional”, he said,”It’s a square” and I nearly fell over. Bach THEN they did not know of a cube, let alone a 3 dimensional cube. They called things square.

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Everett, WA

#90792 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Sub I understand what you are saying. But you all bring up biology, geology, algebra, geometry ect ect. One thing is those did not exist back in the biblical days. They were simple people with simple minds and ways. Ask any preschool kid the shape of a ball and 99.9% of them will tell you it is a circle. That's about what their mental capability was like back then. A preschooler compared to a professor now days. That is a silly comparison but again they were simple people that did not know a lot.
You can't have it both ways. You are right that they were a simple people. They thought the world was flat. Check with any historian who is familiar with these people.

Second, they had a perfectly good word for sphere, if that is what they thought the world was. They didn't. And it isn't just this verse. There are others too. You cannot sweep them all under the carpet. If you want to claim that they believed in a spherical Earth you need to find some real evidence that supports your claim.

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Everett, WA

#90793 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
In your link he goes on to say one particular Christian pointed out that a circle and sphere are the same, wow, I know, but it’s so sadly true. He then tried to elaborate,”What is a box?”, my reply ”It’s a cube, it is three dimensional”, he said,”It’s a square” and I nearly fell over. Bach THEN they did not know of a cube, let alone a 3 dimensional cube. They called things square.
His point was that they did not call boxes "squares" in the past. I think you misread this part of the article.

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