Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#90734 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You should be asking "where is your evidence". A proof, if it is ever made comes from evidence. Historians will tell you that the people at that time and place thought the Earth was flat. All verses in the Bible make much more sense if they are referring to a flat Earth rather than to a spherical Earth. There are at least three times in the Bible that an event describes the Earth as flat. Can you name these?
Better yet how about you post the verse or verses where it says the Earth is "flat"

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#90735 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Again I have shown you a Bible vs that states the Earth is a circle. Can you just show me one Bible vs where it says the Earth is flat?
It isn't so awful they got it wrong, it wasn't for a thousand years later we finally figured out you couldn't sail off the edge of the world. And the the truth being the Earth IS a sphere. It's hard to understand what the ancients thought, us being as advanced in knowing what we now know , because science rejected scripture and discovered it was wrong. The Earth isn't 6,000-10,000 years old , but science collectively with knowledge pushed back it's true age from Hutton's millions Kelvins hundreds of millions to it's true age of 4.7 billion.

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#90736 May 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I have already shown you the weaknesses of your argument. It is clear that you were just pissing in the wind. There is nothing more I have to do until you show that it is direction that was being discussed and not the definition of a shape.
Of course you can continue to attack my credibility and stalk me further. That hasn't worked for you so far, so why stop now.
At least I have the guts to try to give an answer instead of just sitting on my butt saying you are wrong as you do.

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#90737 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Wow! Sphere Synonyms: Earth, apple, ball, big blue marble, circle, globe, globule, orb, pellet, pill, planet, rondure, round.
Earth and circle are both there.
Now being the Origin of SPHERE - Middle English spere globe, celestial sphere, from Anglo-French espere, from Latin sphaera, from Greek sphaira, literally, ball; perhaps akin to Greek spairein to quiver — more at spurn
First Known Use: 14th century - That was after the bibles was written.
That means the word did not exist in the biblical days.
Neither did the concept the Earth was one.

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#90738 May 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I have already shown you the weaknesses of your argument. It is clear that you were just pissing in the wind. There is nothing more I have to do until you show that it is direction that was being discussed and not the definition of a shape.
Of course you can continue to attack my credibility and stalk me further. That hasn't worked for you so far, so why stop now.
What was it you told me when I asked about your badges,,, oh yeah that's right, you told me you have to be a good guy, be in good with the moderators and not be a dickkhead as you called me. LMAO

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#90739 May 27, 2013
Here are just a few of the many other passages that prove Bible writers were ignorant of Earth's spherical shape:
Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth." This was allegedly an inspired dream, yet it conveys a flat-earth concept, because no matter how tall a tree would be, people on the other side of a spherical earth could not see it.

http://etb-cosmology.blogspot.com/2012/04/anc...

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#90740 May 27, 2013
Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...." The only plausible reason for the "very high mountain" was that the altitude would make it possible to see to the ends of the earth. Only on a flat earth would this be remotely possible, so the New Testament writers were as ignorant as the Old.

http://etb-cosmology.blogspot.com/2012/04/anc...

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#90741 May 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> It isn't so awful they got it wrong, it wasn't for a thousand years later we finally figured out you couldn't sail off the edge of the world. And the the truth being the Earth IS a sphere. It's hard to understand what the ancients thought, us being as advanced in knowing what we now know , because science rejected scripture and discovered it was wrong. The Earth isn't 6,000-10,000 years old , but science collectively with knowledge pushed back it's true age from Hutton's millions Kelvins hundreds of millions to it's true age of 4.7 billion.
I will agree they were simple people. they did not have a vast vocabulary with complex words. They did not understand 2,3,4 ect dimensional.

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#90742 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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What you call 'many flaws' are just you mis-interpretations of scripture.
Even though we point out the correct meaning, you just get mad and start calling names instead of trying to see the Word for what it is really saying.
Nope, they are flaw. Adam and Eve never happened. The same can be said for Noah's Ark, the Tower of Babel, and all of Genesis. Exodus has been shown by archaeologists to be a fable too.

And don't forget the countless contradictions and the failed prophecies too.

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#90743 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You should be asking "where is your evidence". A proof, if it is ever made comes from evidence. Historians will tell you that the people at that time and place thought the Earth was flat. All verses in the Bible make much more sense if they are referring to a flat Earth rather than to a spherical Earth. There are at least three times in the Bible that an event describes the Earth as flat. Can you name these?
Sub it has been good talking with you the past couple days. We have had a good and peaceful discussion/debate/talk with no name calling/rundowns/belittling until Dan comes in. Lets do it again another time. Have a good one. He just gets on my nerves because he is fake in acting, fake in his name and talks with a forked tongue depending what thread his is on.

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#90744 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Better yet how about you post the verse or verses where it says the Earth is "flat"
You already did. The verse from Isaiah describes a Flat Earth.

You are the one who claims it says the Earth is spherical, where is a verse that says that?

You have also not found any of the at the very least three times that I know of describe the Earth as flat via geometry.

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#90745 May 27, 2013
Oh and don't get me wrong, replaytime is not my real name so yes it is a fake, but one I came up with on my own. Not a fake one with someone's name to stalk and harass them.

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#90746 May 27, 2013
Arrgh! Well Aura Mytha posted two of the times that the Earth is described as flat via geometry.

There is a third one.

And I must run for now. Get this all sorted out so we can get back to evolution by the time I am done.

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#90747 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Who do you think created God?
Priests.
downhill246

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#90748 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Umm, no. I am not even sure if Ponce de Leon was actually looking for the fountain of youth or not, the point is that even if he was that was not a scientific process that he was going through.
First off, almost everybody believes there was a "abiogenesis event". Even the most die hard fundamental Christian believes that. It is the belief of scientists that it was a natural and not magical event.
If God created the first life form than that would be life from life,correct? In other words that wouldn't be abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is spontaneous generation of life from chemical means.

"Examining the structures of DNA, RNA and proteins , one might have to conclude that life could never, in fact, have originated by chemical means."
Leslie E. Orgel,“The Origin of Life on Earth”, Scientific American, Vol 271, October 1994, p. 78

"The belief that life on earth arose spontaneously from non-living matter, is simply a matter of faith in strict reductionism and is based entirely on ideology."
Nuclear physicist and bioinformatician Dr. Hubert P. Yockey

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#90749 May 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Here are just a few of the many other passages that prove Bible writers were ignorant of Earth's spherical shape:
Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth." This was allegedly an inspired dream, yet it conveys a flat-earth concept, because no matter how tall a tree would be, people on the other side of a spherical earth could not see it.
http://etb-cosmology.blogspot.com/2012/04/anc...
Before I go this could also mean the came to the Oceans, to them that would be the end of the Earth for nothing is in front of them but water. You must realize they were not all over Earth but yet only in a small part of it. And again I am just trying to answer instead of just setting saying you are wrong.

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#90750 May 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Matthew 4:8, "The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence...." The only plausible reason for the "very high mountain" was that the altitude would make it possible to see to the ends of the earth. Only on a flat earth would this be remotely possible, so the New Testament writers were as ignorant as the Old.
http://etb-cosmology.blogspot.com/2012/04/anc...
And again I am just trying to answer instead of just setting saying you are wrong. If I took you to the top of Mt. Everest I would say to you, look out over the beautiful world that God has created. As many have set when the are on the mountain that they can see all of Gods beauty that he created for the feel on top of the world.
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#90751 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, you just proved that in context the Bible describes a flat Earth.
The ancient Jews had a word that could be used for sphere, go the thesaurus you love and you will probably find the English translation of that word there:
http://thesaurus.com/browse/sphere
They never used that word for the Earth, though it was used in the Bible.
It makes no sense to pitch a "tent" over a sphere. It does make sense to have a "tent" over a flat circle.
That is not the only time in the Bible that it describes a flat Earth in context. There are others too. Do you think you can find them?
Heck, just about every sailor knew the earth was round since sailing ships all came into view top of sails first and mountains that were far away were only visible on top.In addition early Christians using scripture all said the earth was a sphere. I wonder why almost all Christians believed that?

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#90752 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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If God created the first life form than that would be life from life,correct? In other words that wouldn't be abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is spontaneous generation of life from chemical means.
"Examining the structures of DNA, RNA and proteins , one might have to conclude that life could never, in fact, have originated by chemical means."
Leslie E. Orgel,“The Origin of Life on Earth”, Scientific American, Vol 271, October 1994, p. 78
"The belief that life on earth arose spontaneously from non-living matter, is simply a matter of faith in strict reductionism and is based entirely on ideology."
Nuclear physicist and bioinformatician Dr. Hubert P. Yockey
No. Since in most religions god is a transcendent being he is not considered as "being alive".

And improperly made quotes are always assumed to be lies. Creatards constantly quote without providing links. When links are found it is almost always the case that the creatard was lying.

So please always include links to your quotes, otherwise I will treat them as lies.
imagine2011

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#90753 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope, they are flaw. Adam and Eve never happened. The same can be said for Noah's Ark, the Tower of Babel, and all of Genesis. Exodus has been shown by archaeologists to be a fable too.
And don't forget the countless contradictions and the failed prophecies too.
Wrong...

There is tons of evidence proving the global flood and Genesis.

There is proof of the Egyptian carriages in the Red Sea.

There are hundreds of proven prophecies also.

Man, you are getting desparate.

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