Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216598 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#90674 May 27, 2013
BibleGODS VERSION: Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

REPLAYTIMES VERSION: Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always, with respect to my bodily presence, which in a short time will be removed from you.

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#90675 May 27, 2013
imagine, you cannot use the Bible as a valid source until you demonstrate that it is not a steaming pile of dingoes kidneys.

How would you react to someone quoting the Vedas to "prove" his point? Or the Koran? Or the Book of the FSM?

References that have countless flaws are not reliable sources.

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#90676 May 27, 2013
And this is not to gloss over the fact that the Bible teaches that God/Jesus is EVERYWHERE! So do tell us Replaytime, when Jesus' bodily presence was removed from us, where did it go, remembering Jesus/God is EVERYWHERE.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90677 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yet, you are the one who wants to do exactly what the King of England supposedly did. Once again, TJ was perhaps the major writer of the Constitution. Who better to know what he meant when he wrote it? Again, his letter explained his thoughts when he wrote the amendments.
What we are trying to do by banning organized prayer in school is to STOP the government from pushing the views of certain religious people upon others.
Now lucky for us that science is not a religion. It is not Faith, or Gullibility, based. It is based upon observation, deduction, and other uses of the scientific method.
Evolution does not, nor is it intended to, disprove the existence of gods. It only disproves certain fairy tales.
Who do you think created all of the things that you study in science?

Don't you realize that your pride and arrogance that pushes you to 'think' that you are knowledgeable about this God given earth, you're possibly educated by a 'man', who was created by God and that your so-called knowledge has you so blinded, you don't even realize that you are missing a key part of knowledge...you don't have the wisdom from God to even USE your knowledge of science correctly.

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#90678 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text> ...only a handful of people experience things like I have.
This only tells us you are divorced from reality. There is no way that you know what the experiences of others are. Mabye you do not belong in prison but certainly you are clearly headed for the lunatic asylum.

Salvation by works, for example, is clearly shown in Matthew 19:16-21, where a man asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life:

Matt. 19:16-18 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Clearly, according to Jesus salvation is obtained by works. Good works, good deeds, following the commandments are all that is necessary. Jesus said nothing about believing in anything. Faith or belief isn't even mentioned.

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#90679 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
imagine, you cannot use the Bible as a valid source until you demonstrate that it is not a steaming pile of dingoes kidneys.
How would you react to someone quoting the Vedas to "prove" his point? Or the Koran? Or the Book of the FSM?
References that have countless flaws are not reliable sources.
Nicely said. This is why I spend all my time posting those biblical errors for all to see. It does not seem enough to assert they are there, but necessary to quote them and even when quoted our pew warming liars will try to deceive us by adding words to the text and creating new meaning in the process. I have never met an honest Christian because as soon as they are honest they are no longer a Christian.

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#90680 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Who do you think created all of the things that you study in science?.
Who do you think created God?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90681 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
And this is not to gloss over the fact that the Bible teaches that God/Jesus is EVERYWHERE! So do tell us Replaytime, when Jesus' bodily presence was removed from us, where did it go, remembering Jesus/God is EVERYWHERE.
Into the third heaven with God, sitting at His right hand,(means Jesus is perfect and is the successor to His throne). Jesus went to prepare a place for the believers... but the Holy Spirit was sent to earth to dwell inside of believers until His return so we would have a 'taste' of Heaven on earth. Holy Spirit is a deposit of God's spirit, a guarantee of things to come.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8 - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:6 - And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 1:5 - For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Luke 11:13 - If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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#90682 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Who do you think created all of the things that you study in science?
Don't you realize that your pride and arrogance that pushes you to 'think' that you are knowledgeable about this God given earth, you're possibly educated by a 'man', who was created by God and that your so-called knowledge has you so blinded, you don't even realize that you are missing a key part of knowledge...you don't have the wisdom from God to even USE your knowledge of science correctly.
Why do you think we need a god to create the universe? If we need a god to create the universe then we would need an uber-god to create god. It is an endless cycle.

You need to learn a very important logical thinking tool. You need to learn what the Null Hypothesis says. At its base it says that ideas without evidence to support them can be ignored. What is your evidence for the existence of your god?

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#90683 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Nicely said. This is why I spend all my time posting those biblical errors for all to see. It does not seem enough to assert they are there, but necessary to quote them and even when quoted our pew warming liars will try to deceive us by adding words to the text and creating new meaning in the process. I have never met an honest Christian because as soon as they are honest they are no longer a Christian.
I don't go quite that far, though I do agree. If someone can keep their religion to themselves it does not bother me. I do say that honest creationists have a very short half-life. Now I have not seen imagine openly lie yet. I can see that he is ignorant and he is probably willfully ignorant, a sin as big as lying to me, but innocent until proven guilty.

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#90684 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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That is prophecy being fulfilled right in front of our eyes.
Christians often assert alleged inspiration of the Bible is proven by accurate prophecies contained therein. Yet, any reasonably objective analysis of the Book will expose many inaccurate predictions. Generally speaking, prophetic failures can be grouped into three separate categories: Those which were fulfilled in a manner different from that promised, those which have never occurred, and New Testament references to Old Testament prophecies that don't exist. Look at Jesus' inaccurate predictions with respect to the cock crowing, the attainment of paradise by the thief on the cross, and the similarity in time between His internment and Jonah's period in the whale.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90685 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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This only tells us you are divorced from reality. There is no way that you know what the experiences of others are. Mabye you do not belong in prison but certainly you are clearly headed for the lunatic asylum.
Salvation by works, for example, is clearly shown in Matthew 19:16-21, where a man asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life:
Matt. 19:16-18 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
Clearly, according to Jesus salvation is obtained by works. Good works, good deeds, following the commandments are all that is necessary. Jesus said nothing about believing in anything. Faith or belief isn't even mentioned.
there is none good but one, that is, God:

This man had 'faith' that Jesus was God so he would be saved by faith thru grace.

This man's false god or idol was money. He worshipped his own wealth more than he loved God.
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#90686 May 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Good job then that places like Harvard and others are currently actively researching abio via chemistry, a decidedly NON-random process.
Which means nothing unless they are successful . As of today the creation of life from non living matter remains a hypothesis.
I believe about five hundred years ago Ponce De Leon was doing research in reference to the Fountain of Youth, too.

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#90687 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
BibleGODS VERSION: Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
REPLAYTIMES VERSION: Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always, with respect to my bodily presence, which in a short time will be removed from you.
Oh you must mean where as evolutionist take out of context in their own words that it says the earth is flat. It does not say that but that is what you all read. Four corners of the earth, hmmmm maybe N, S, E, and W?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90688 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Who do you think created God?
Rev 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

I Am that I Am (&#1488;&#1462;&#1 492;&#1456;&#1497; &#1462;&#1492; &#1488;&#1458;&#15 13;&#1462;&#1473;& #1512; &#1488;&#1462;&#14 92;&#1456;&#1497;& #1462;&#1492;, &#702;ehyeh &#702;ašer &#702;ehyeh [&#660;eh&#712;je &#660;a&#712;&#643 ;er &#660;eh&#712;je]) is a common English translation (JPS among others) of the response God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" or "was" in Hebrew; "ehyeh" is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I will be" (or "I shall be"), for example, at Exodus 3:12. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Will Be What I Will Be", with attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, this phrase is rendered as I am that I am."[1]

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools …”
downhill246

West Palm Beach, FL

#90689 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Why do you think we need a god to create the universe? If we need a god to create the universe then we would need an uber-god to create god. It is an endless cycle.
You need to learn a very important logical thinking tool. You need to learn what the Null Hypothesis says. At its base it says that ideas without evidence to support them can be ignored. What is your evidence for the existence of your god?
If God is the first Cause no other creators need apply.
Do you have any scientific evidence that the universe had a natural cause? Me neither.

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#90690 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
And this is not to gloss over the fact that the Bible teaches that God/Jesus is EVERYWHERE! So do tell us Replaytime, when Jesus' bodily presence was removed from us, where did it go, remembering Jesus/God is EVERYWHERE.
I would say Jesus' body was buried and Jesus' spirit went to heaven to be with God, his father, so he could forever look upon on and watch over us.

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#90691 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Which means nothing unless they are successful . As of today the creation of life from non living matter remains a hypothesis.
I believe about five hundred years ago Ponce De Leon was doing research in reference to the Fountain of Youth, too.
Umm, no. I am not even sure if Ponce de Leon was actually looking for the fountain of youth or not, the point is that even if he was that was not a scientific process that he was going through.

First off, almost everybody believes there was a "abiogenesis event". Even the most die hard fundamental Christian believes that. It is the belief of scientists that it was a natural and not magical event.

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#90692 May 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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If God is the first Cause no other creators need apply.
Do you have any scientific evidence that the universe had a natural cause? Me neither.
If the universe is the first cause no creators need apply.

We do have scientific evidence that the universe exists. We do not have any scientific evidence that god exists. There is no reason to believe in something that has no evidence of existence.

There is a magic teapot on the other side of the Moon. It told me. You better believe me or you will burn in the scalding hot dishes sink forever.

Do you believe me? Why or why not?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90693 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
imagine, you cannot use the Bible as a valid source until you demonstrate that it is not a steaming pile of dingoes kidneys.
How would you react to someone quoting the Vedas to "prove" his point? Or the Koran? Or the Book of the FSM?
References that have countless flaws are not reliable sources.
Yes, I can. This world and the things God made, are testiment to His existence. You can try and twist your words or fake science, but it's obvious to everyone who walks this earth that there had to be a designer, period. Even children have enough sense to know this, even if they've never gone to church, in their entire lives. It is a given.

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

*****For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

*****For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

*******Claiming to be wise, they became fools …

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