Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209908 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Everett, WA

#90652 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Riiiiiiight.
......and your god is Charles Darwin who wrote his 'own' bible for you blind nuts to follow.
Wrong.

Quit trying to be insulting. Many of us have outgrown the need for irrational thinking.

Evolution is not a religion. In fact you can be any religion and believe the theory of evolution. Evolution is simply a fact of science, just as gravity is a simple fact of science.

Most of the time people's religious beliefs do not bother me at all. When they start to believe in crazy things and want to force those beliefs upon others that is when I object.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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He Is A Sock Know It All

#90653 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Teachers were forcing children that were not Christians to participate in Christian prayers. If you cannot see that that is wrong then you are a hopeless idiot.
I agree here. When they force people to participate in Christianity, it loses all it's meaning. For the Lord does not want to be forced on anyone, that's why he gave us freewill to choose for ourselves.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#90654 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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What faith did most of the people who wrote our laws profess? Faith in the God of the Bible.
Where did they profess it? Everywhere, work, home, leisure.
Where did they pray? In every public government building built in America.
When did they pray? Every chance they got.
Why did they pray? Because they know their is a divine being, God.
Did their faith ruin this country or did it 'bless' this country? It blessed it.
Are we blessed now? NO...we are losing everything we had as a Christian nation.
We have lost our wealth, respect, honesty, trust, decency, and love for one another.
are you talking about when the Constitution was written about our great christian values and love for fellow man....

back when it was legal to own another man as long as he was black
when you could do anything you wanted to a slave, rape the women and young girls, heck probably boys too
when you could whip them to death and not be held accountable
when for the purposes of representation in Congress, slaves counted as 3/5 ths of a human even though they didn't vote
when only white male land owners could vote
when their was a bounty paid for Indian scalps, remember Indians didn't start that we white Christians did

or are you talking about now, when
43 million Americans can not afford health care
where millions of American children are malnourished
we have the highest infant mortality rate industrialized nations in the world
we have the highest death rate due to starvation in the industrialized nations in the world
then we have the GOP and teabaggers who want to cut programs that provide meals for school children
food for the poor and elderly

just want to clear what christian values we lost

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#90655 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong.
Quit trying to be insulting. Many of us have outgrown the need for irrational thinking.
Evolution is not a religion. In fact you can be any religion and believe the theory of evolution. Evolution is simply a fact of science, just as gravity is a simple fact of science.
Most of the time people's religious beliefs do not bother me at all. When they start to believe in crazy things and want to force those beliefs upon others that is when I object.
but gravity is only a theory, that's why its called the theory of gravity. it hasn't been proven yet

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Everett, WA

#90656 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I agree here. When they force people to participate in Christianity, it loses all it's meaning. For the Lord does not want to be forced on anyone, that's why he gave us freewill to choose for ourselves.
I know of Christian sects that were anti-prayer in school. That is because there interpretation of the Bible was different enough from the interpretations of other Christians that they did not want them leading prayers for their children.

It is not just the "ungodly" that are against school prayer.

And besides, prayer in school is not prohibited or banned. That would be impossible. How are you going to stop a child from throwing an actual "Hail Mary" up before a test? What is banned is organized prayer. In other words some Christians got made because forced prayer, which is not really prayer at all, it is indoctrination, was banned from school.

And that sort of prayer is not even approved of in the Bible. How big of a hypocrite is imagine?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#90657 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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What torches and pitchforks? lol!
Why should we have our children force feed your "monkey religion" in OUR tax paid public schools?
Maybe we should push for a flagpole time for your worship time too and take evo out of the classrooms.
Because it's science.

And, unlike religion, it works.

Know anybody had smallpox?

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Everett, WA

#90658 May 27, 2013
Karma, you need to brush up on your history a bit. It was slave owners that wanted black people to count as human beings in their states and anti-slavery people who did not want them to count at all. The 3/5 number was a compromise.

And what the northern states actually were advocating, even at the time of writing of the constitution was no slavery at all. They thought if a person was not free he should not count as a person. That would have limited the strength of the South. Southerners wanted as much political power as possible, so even though slaves were "owned" and could not vote they still wanted to reap the power of having a higher population in their states.

I wish civil rights people would get this simple fact of history correct and drop it.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#90659 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Karma, you need to brush up on your history a bit. It was slave owners that wanted black people to count as human beings in their states and anti-slavery people who did not want them to count at all. The 3/5 number was a compromise.
And what the northern states actually were advocating, even at the time of writing of the constitution was no slavery at all. They thought if a person was not free he should not count as a person. That would have limited the strength of the South. Southerners wanted as much political power as possible, so even though slaves were "owned" and could not vote they still wanted to reap the power of having a higher population in their states.
I wish civil rights people would get this simple fact of history correct and drop it.
Dude, the 3/5 of a person for every slave was BS....my point being that the poster I was responding to was wax nostalgia for the days when we had christianity in our society...
I was just pointing out the finer points of back then

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#90660 May 27, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Dude, the 3/5 of a person for every slave was BS....my point being that the poster I was responding to was wax nostalgia for the days when we had christianity in our society...
I was just pointing out the finer points of back then
I know that, but it was in actuality a good thing as far as civil rights goes, not a bad thing. I was nit picking a bit there, but the 3/5 of a person for slaves is a claim that is very often misused and is one of my pet peeves.

I will let it go since we do agree with each other.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#90661 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Riiiiiiight.
......and your god is Charles Darwin who wrote his 'own' bible for you blind nuts to follow.
Firstly, it is rude to group random people together and collectively insult them. I for one do not find this acceptable.

Charles Darwin was a scientist. I, as you refer to as one of the "blind nuts", have never considered him a God, nor would I for any reason.
What someone believes in, who someone prays to, and for whatever reason he or she practices this is their own business. If a person wants to pray, they may do so to any extent they wish, but should do it in privacy. They should not force this practice on someone who may not share their beliefs. There is nothing as insufferable as a person trying to sell a religion. How a person can assume he is a better person because of his beliefs, and has the arrogance to push his belief unto me? I already believe in God, thank you, but in my own way, and for my own reasons. I do not respect someone trying to convince me otherwise. I also whole-heartedly believe in evolution, and the theory of boom. Does this make you better than I as you so clearly think?

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#90662 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Like I said in another part of the post " It all boils down to what a person wants to believe and if you believe it strong enough nothing will change your mind except 100% pure factual proof which no one will ever have. And if that proof was to ever happen there would still be doubt, criticizing and arguments from both sides for it would go against everything they believed in to start with.
Proof lacks on both sides. That why they argue all the time.
You can keep repeating yourself until hell freezes over it won't change the fact that there is ample evidence, more than is needed to show everyone that the Bible is not the word of some invisible superiour being God. And no one has produced a shred of evidence that such a being as the pew warmers alledge actually exists. Humanity is retarded as long as it accepts deeply held beliefs over evidence.

JESUS Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
vs
JESUS Matt. 28:20 ...: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Do we have Jesus with us always?

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#90663 May 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>When VWD Day comes, you and everybody in the world will know. There is so much, it would take volumes of books to explain it. VWD stands for Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. It is the first Day of the Lord.
Isn't it against the rules to preach nonsense?

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#90664 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I do know what happens after we die, I have been shown a vision of what spiritual life is to come...like a "trailer preview to the next show". This is one reason I'm so set on my beliefs, there are many that haven't been so lucky and I feel it my duty now to let others know.
There is way more to this than just "warm fuzzy feelings", and while on that subject, what exactly did you do about 'those feelings' you seem to have experienced? Nothing?
The reason you are "set" on your beliefs is because you believe what other people tell you. You trust these other people and they tell you what they were told and you all believe the same thing, just like everyone used to believe the earth was flat; all you have to do is look and you'll see the earth is flat. How can anyone argue with that.

There is NOTHING more to Christianity than warm fuzzy beliefs. Parents tell their children silly stories to protect them from the bad things that happen in life and that is all there is too it.

All human beings have a built in curiosity about why we find ourselves alive and breathing on the surface of the planet earth. We soon realize that no one we know knows anything about it and slowly we put our question on the back burner where most completely forget about it and become either prison inmates or candidates for the lunatic asylum.

You claim you have had an epiphany that proved to you the existence of all the nonsense you talk about. I assert that you misunderstood your experience and because of being raised in a Christian society made it fit in with your existing beliefs.

The possibility for human beings to arise in the biospheres of certain planets throught out the cosmos existed at the first few moments of the what we call the big bang. We are alive and we exist because we are as much a part of the cosmos as is everything else.

And you feel the need to shove down our throats what someone told you. The earth is a mad house full of insane people.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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#90665 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You can keep repeating yourself until hell freezes over it won't change the fact that there is ample evidence, more than is needed to show everyone that the Bible is not the word of some invisible superiour being God. And no one has produced a shred of evidence that such a being as the pew warmers alledge actually exists. Humanity is retarded as long as it accepts deeply held beliefs over evidence.
JESUS Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
vs
JESUS Matt. 28:20 ...: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Do we have Jesus with us always?
I guess that all depends on how you interpret the Bible.

"but me ye have not always have"; meaning, with respect to his bodily presence, which, in a short time, would be removed from them, and they would have no opportunity of showing him any such outward respect personally.

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#90666 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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The physical life is temporary and heaven or hell is permanent.
Children go to God when they die. I guarantee they are happier there without sin and evil than they ever would have been here.
Once you are old enough to understand what the Bible says and you know of God and Jesus' salvation, then reject it over and over and over and over and over....then you die, you will not go to be with God in heaven.
Children are different when they do not comprehend the consiquences of sin completely.
You write as if you know all that hearsay is true. Your deeply held beliefs do not correspond to reality. Nor do they correspond to biblical teachings.

Within Christianity are several organizations, such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Worldwide Church of God which deny the existence of hell. They preach, instead, a doctrine known as Annihilationism, according to which the wicked pass into nonexistence, either at death or the resurrection. Essentially, annihilationists are trying to put a more human face on Christianity and attract more followers by modifying the scare tactic of hell-fire and damnation that is so crucial to the NT. As fundamentalist Robert Morey said on page 203 in his book Death and the Afterlife, "As the pressures of liberalism continue, we can expect to see more neo-evangelicals moving either into Universalism or Annihilationism, either of which are acceptable to those who hold a liberal theological position."

Unfortunately for orthodox Christians, such as Southern Baptists, Annihilationism is biblically defensible as the following verses show all too well. Undoubtedly the strongest passage is found in Eccle. 3:19-21 which says, "For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth." That is about as definitive as one can be. If man has no "preeminence" or "advantage" over the beasts as the RSV and the Modern Language say, then all else is for nought. Another potent verse is found in Eccle. 9:5 which says, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten." If there is no more reward, then it is all over, including the shouting.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90667 May 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It was pretty clear where we would meet. Yep, Frank and I agree about that. Since most atheists are very good people, if there is a heaven most will go there. It is the Christians that he has to worry about.
And the letter that TJ wrote was about the consequences of the constitution he wrote. It was not law, it only told the meaning of the ultimate law for our country.
Why would you want to do illegal and immoral things anyway?
You didn't answer any of my questions, you just twisted words to fit your view, and as usual, you had to throw some unkind and unnecessary jabs.

TJ's letter did not tell the meaning of the ultimate law for our country. LOL!

It was about the Government pushing their own religion and rules of faith on people.

If the government wouldn't have done that (just like the King did in England), TJ would never had to write the letter.

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#90668 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote: ""Children are different when they do not comprehend the consiquences of sin completely.""

Jesus, himself, made several statements ("I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me"--John 14:6),("He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,...."--John 3:18), and ("He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him"--John 3:36) that clearly show everyone must accept Jesus to be saved. Everyone means everyone, not some, not most, but all. Consequently, all beings that die as foetuses, infants, and babies are condemned to eternal damnation because of events over which they had no control. In an attempt to eradicate the obvious injustice and heartlessness involved, some biblicists have devised the wholly unbiblical concept known as the age of accountability. Few beliefs are given more credence with less biblical support. Generally speaking, the Bible does not make fine distinctions such as would accompany a finely-honed legislative document and this instance is no exception. There is nothing in the Bible about an "age of accountability." In fact, the word accountability does not even appear in the KJV of the Bible.

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Everett, WA

#90669 May 27, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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You didn't answer any of my questions, you just twisted words to fit your view, and as usual, you had to throw some unkind and unnecessary jabs.
TJ's letter did not tell the meaning of the ultimate law for our country. LOL!
It was about the Government pushing their own religion and rules of faith on people.
If the government wouldn't have done that (just like the King did in England), TJ would never had to write the letter.
Yet, you are the one who wants to do exactly what the King of England supposedly did. Once again, TJ was perhaps the major writer of the Constitution. Who better to know what he meant when he wrote it? Again, his letter explained his thoughts when he wrote the amendments.

What we are trying to do by banning organized prayer in school is to STOP the government from pushing the views of certain religious people upon others.

Now lucky for us that science is not a religion. It is not Faith, or Gullibility, based. It is based upon observation, deduction, and other uses of the scientific method.

Evolution does not, nor is it intended to, disprove the existence of gods. It only disproves certain fairy tales.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#90670 May 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The reason you are "set" on your beliefs is because you believe what other people tell you. You trust these other people and they tell you what they were told and you all believe the same thing, just like everyone used to believe the earth was flat; all you have to do is look and you'll see the earth is flat. How can anyone argue with that.
There is NOTHING more to Christianity than warm fuzzy beliefs. Parents tell their children silly stories to protect them from the bad things that happen in life and that is all there is too it.
All human beings have a built in curiosity about why we find ourselves alive and breathing on the surface of the planet earth. We soon realize that no one we know knows anything about it and slowly we put our question on the back burner where most completely forget about it and become either prison inmates or candidates for the lunatic asylum.
You claim you have had an epiphany that proved to you the existence of all the nonsense you talk about. I assert that you misunderstood your experience and because of being raised in a Christian society made it fit in with your existing beliefs.
The possibility for human beings to arise in the biospheres of certain planets throught out the cosmos existed at the first few moments of the what we call the big bang. We are alive and we exist because we are as much a part of the cosmos as is everything else.
And you feel the need to shove down our throats what someone told you. The earth is a mad house full of insane people.
If faith could come to someone just by listening to people, then all would be saved and I would have been saved as a child. Instead, it took me decades before I decided I wanted to go to church, God changed me, no one else.

If you read scripture, it says that only God can call you, that no person can get you saved....and you can ONLY be saved IF God calls you.

John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

LOL! There is alot more than 'fuzzy feelings" when dealing with God.

RA::"""All human beings have a built in curiosity about why we find ourselves alive and breathing on the surface of the planet earth. """

Wrong.....hmmmm...wonder where this 'built in curiosity comes from' and why animals don't have it too...hmmmm....

RA::"""I assert that you misunderstood your experience and because of being raised in a Christian society made it fit in with your existing beliefs"""

Wrong....I was afraid to tell anyone in my church or family for fear they wouldn't believe me, even though they believe the Bible, only a handful of people experience things like I have.

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#90671 May 27, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I guess that all depends on how you interpret the Bible.
"but me ye have not always have"; meaning, with respect to his bodily presence, which, in a short time, would be removed from them, and they would have no opportunity of showing him any such outward respect personally.
It is you who are interpreting! I just post them as I find them;

GODS VERSION:
JESUS Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
vs
JESUS Matt. 28:20 ...: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

REPLAYTIMES VERSION:

JESUS Matt. 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always with respect to my bodily presence which in a short time will be removed from you.
vs
JESUS Matt. 28:20 ...: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

What you have done Replaytimes is add words to the text to make it same what you want it to say. This is just another of your dog and pony shows. And it proves Christians are devious, dishonest and deceitful.

You don't even care that the BibleGod is going to remove your name from the book of life because of what you just did here. Amazing. It is Christians like you that give all of humanity a bad name.

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