Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89513 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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You have 'all' to learn about spirituality.
We already know every bit as much about spirituality as you do. It is only your monumentally massive sense of self-importance that assumes you know more than everyone else.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89514 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
Jesus never rose from the dead, that is a fantasy and a lie.
YEAH, YOU TELL 'EM, SUZY!

>:-)

Ya hear that, imagine2011?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89515 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.
Since the Bible has laws dealing with all these things quite obviously this is not a prophecy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89516 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Where is your proof?
You have already been provided with evidence that your Bible is not 100% correct. You have failed to address this and instead went on a spam-preaching spree.

So why be dishonest and demand evidence when you have zero interest in it in the first place?

Why is it you fundies are ALWAYS so dishonest?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89517 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Where is your proof?
I know you don't know how to argue.

"Proof" is for mathematics and booze. When debating someone you ask for evidence. Then the evidence must be judged. Does the evidence form a conclusive whole? If so the person has made their case. Is the evidence self contradictory or contradictory of other evidence? If so the person has a bit of work to do.

If you want to claim the Bible is "perfect" then you must supply a shitload of evidence. And it all has to hold together, not be self contradictory, and it has to be verifiable. We on the other hand need to find only one flaw in the Bible to show that it cannot be used in a circular argument. For example the terribly failed Tyre prophesy. Or the countless self contradictions in the Bible.

Your book does not even get off of the starting blocks before it fails.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89518 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since the Bible has laws dealing with all these things quite obviously this is not a prophecy.
Wait! Wait!!

I know the answer to this one!

Is it because without lies they have nothing?

I assume that must be the answer. Creationists never answer that question when it is given to them.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89519 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.
wow! you perfectly described the christians that laid the bloodiest swath this planet has ever seen across the globe in their expansion of their cult.

and the end times didn't come...just religious rule which plunged their land into the dark ages.

seems that your cult is what should be avoided. your cult did the same to the persian empire....seems like a trend, religion takes over, place turns to shit...

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89520 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.
You just described every point in history, every point that is .... except now. Oh, the irony, the writers of your bible were not prepared for an actual age of enlightenment.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89521 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since the Bible has laws dealing with all these things quite obviously this is not a prophecy.
This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.

Read it again, slowly.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89522 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong. Isaiah 19 has been said to be coming true for about 2,000 years now.
It lost all credibility as a prophecy by failing the Nostradamus test. If a prophecy is so vague that it can be interpreted to cover several events it is not a prophecy anymore.
Some prophecies do have a dual fulfillment and it doesn't mean it's not true. The key verse in Isaiah 19 is verse 4 "And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them..." but in verse 20 "he shall send them a savior, and a great one, and he shall deliver them". Christians say it was being fulfilled 2000 years ago because it's about the coming of the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled no messianic prophecy.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89523 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wait! Wait!!
I know the answer to this one!
Is it because without lies they have nothing?
I assume that must be the answer. Creationists never answer that question when it is given to them.
We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?

We try not to stoop to name calling, we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject, not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89524 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.
Read it again, slowly.
It doesn't change anything. The Bible told you to stone disobedient children because BEFORE it was written it was a known fact that kids are disobedient. That's the opposite of prophecy. It is also the opposite of good. Like I said: you fundies have call bad things good and good things bad since before the Bible was even written.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89525 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have yet to learn that the god of the bible has been proven false. there is no such being. you are following a cult.
All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89526 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?
If you don't want to be called a liar then stop lying. Since you have been caught lying and being dishonest all you can do is cry like a baby.
imagine2011 wrote:
We try not to stoop to name calling
Of course not. You stoop to an unfounded position of authority in which you claim to have special knowledge that you are unable to demonstrate, and anyone who disagrees is somehow deficient.

I mean, who wouldn't be offended at that?(shrug)
imagine2011 wrote:
we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject
You are not capable of discussing or debating the subject. That is why you have avoided it at every opportunity.
imagine2011 wrote:
not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
No, you act like kindergarten kids by ranting "I'm better than you, nyah nyah!". Then cry when we point out you're not.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89527 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just described every point in history, every point that is .... except now. Oh, the irony, the writers of your bible were not prepared for an actual age of enlightenment.
"age of enlightenment"...you mean knowledge of men?

James 3:13-18 ESV /
Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.

This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.

But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere....

New Living Translation (2007)
&#9668; Daniel 12:4 &#9658;
But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."

Proverbs 13:1-25 ESV
A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke. From the fruit of his mouth a man eats what is good, but the desire of the treacherous is for violence. Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin. The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied. The righteous hates falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace....
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89528 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
IMAGINE2011 - What sayest thou?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89529 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.
Read it again, slowly.
no. like i factually pointed out, it sounds a lot more like when you christians were allowed to run amok on this planet...

evil, evil cult you belong to...

get deprogrammed, there are services you can find online that might save your humanity...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89530 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?
We try not to stoop to name calling, we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject, not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
You are new here so you have not lied,.... yet.

You would be extremely hard pressed to find a video of any antievolutionist who was either an outright liar, a complete idiot, or both.

You have not been answering honest questions given to you, that is not a form of lying, but it is avoiding the truth.

And you came in here with an attitude. So don't imply kindergarten mentalities to others of something that you are guilty of.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89531 May 18, 2013
Here is a hint for you imagine2011, since the Bible has been shown to be horribly flawed here it does you no good to quote from it.

This is a scientific discussion which means you should try to use science to defend your beliefs. Not a book of fantasy written by sheep shaggers.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89532 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
it is the god of the old testament that said it is OK to own slaves and stone gay s to death and subjugate women.

yeah. that's the real god. he's also the one that couldn't even get his own creations story correct.

you are in a cult. you worship a proven myth.

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