Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168864 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89498 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone is born an unbeliever. Only the Holy Spirit can call you and only you can accept.
If you don't accept God, you continually will be an unbeliever and think God's Word is hogwash, just as I did before I received His Spirit.
Before then, I would have whole heartedly agreed with you, but since then, I know the truth.
It's something supernatural, for sure. Almost inexplicable.
New Living Translation (2007)
&#9668; Ecclesiastes 3:11 &#9658;
Yet God has made everything beautiful for its own time. He has planted eternity in the human heart, but even so, people cannot see the whole scope of God's work from beginning to end.
Everyone is born an unbeliever. Only the Holy Spirit can call you and only you can accept.

If you don't accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you continually will be an unbeliever and think the Flying Spaghetti Monster's Word is hogwash, just as I did before I received His Spirit.

Before then, I would have whole heartedly agreed with you, but since then, I know the truth.

Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the onion, and the bay leaves, forever and ever. R'Amen
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89499 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Isaiah 24:6 "Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate, therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left" A few is three and I hope it will be more than three, probably three percent that will survive VWD Day, the first Day of the Lord.
What, all the Volkswagen drivers will be drunk drivers? OH NO!!!

:-(
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89500 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You made a terrible mistake. You assumed that your Bible has been shown to be correct when that is far from the truth.
The Bible has been shown to be wrong many times. No Adam and Eve, no Noah's flood or Ark or any other such nonsense. No Exodus from Egypt.
It also has several failed prophecies, the Tyre prophesy for example and the follow up that Zeke gave about Nebuchadnezzar defeating Egypt. In fact there are a host of prophecies about Egypt that are wrong.
And of course there is the bad science, already mentioned, the bad geography, and countless contradictions. The Bible cannot even keep the resurrection story straight between the gospels In the four different Gospels you will find different stories of when the women who first visited the grave showed up, how many there were, who they were, who or what they saw, how many people they saw and so on. It is as if the writers were following the same basic outline but each filled in his own "facts".
Isaiah 19 is a prophecy about Egypt that is being fulfilled right now and the coming of the Messiah is apparently imminent. Jesus never rose from the dead, that is a fantasy and a lie. If Jesus did rise from the dead, the resurrection is past. He's damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89501 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You made a terrible mistake. You assumed that your Bible has been shown to be correct when that is far from the truth.
The Bible has been shown to be wrong many times. No Adam and Eve, no Noah's flood or Ark or any other such nonsense. No Exodus from Egypt.
It also has several failed prophecies, the Tyre prophesy for example and the follow up that Zeke gave about Nebuchadnezzar defeating Egypt. In fact there are a host of prophecies about Egypt that are wrong.
And of course there is the bad science, already mentioned, the bad geography, and countless contradictions. The Bible cannot even keep the resurrection story straight between the gospels In the four different Gospels you will find different stories of when the women who first visited the grave showed up, how many there were, who they were, who or what they saw, how many people they saw and so on. It is as if the writers were following the same basic outline but each filled in his own "facts".
I see your words, but I still do not see any proof.

In fact, many biblical prophecies have already came true.

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulf...

10 prophecies predicted in the Bible & fulfilled in history
http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/...

1. Children will be dishonorable to their parents (meaning misbehaving to dishonor them).
2. Lawlessness will abound.(look at our inner cities in USA and around the world)
3. Good will be called evil, evil will be called good.
4. Natural disasters will be like birth pains (increase in intensity, increase in number, be closer together).
5. Israel will be completely surrounded by the enemy.(Syria, Iran, Egypt, all muslim countries are enemies of Jews and Christians. Zechariah 14:1-2, Joel 3:1-3)
6. Wars and rumors of wars.(How many wars have we fought, sometimes 3 at once. How many rumors of wars do you hear daily now?)
7. Drought and famine (exist in some nations, even though we have enough food and water)
8. Disease epidemics (so many incurable diseases, some are God's punishment for sexual immorality)
9. Rise of an aggressive Fundamentalist Islamic Power (Daniel 11:40-43)
10. One world religion (Vatican or Islam) Islam certainly wants religious reign over every nation.
11. One world currency (Euro has been incorporated into many european nations)
12. One world power (United Nations seem to control our wars or European Union wants to reign supreme power)
13. Powerful religious figure (false prophet, Possibly the pope or future pope, could be leader of Islam??? Rev. 19:19-21, Rev. 13, 17, 19. Isaiah 47:1)
14. Gospel of Kingdom of God is preached to all nations (tv, radio, internet, cell phones, video cameras, satelite, cable, wireless technology now)
15. Faith again becomes a matter of life or death (many countries are murdering all of its citizen Christians and Jews Rev. 12:17, 14:12)
16. The Great Tribulation (collapse of english speaking nations, or "Jacob's trouble", Jeremiah 30:7, Luke 21:23, Matt 21:21-22)
17.heavenly signs of the Day of the Lord (Matt 24:29, Rev. 6:12-13)
18. The seven last plagues (Rev 6:17, Rev 7, 8, 11:15,/even as He returns, the deceived nations of mankind will fight and curse Him who is their very creator! Rev 16:21, 17:14)
I just found this very interesting. Jesus said "no on knows the exact day or time of day of His return except God, but THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS UNTIL THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE". What does generation mean to Jesus?
Tomorrows World. org/ Fourteen signs announcing Christ's Return plus other booklets for free.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89502 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are only interpreting lines from the Bible from your point of view. It does not "prove" the Bible to be right.
You have a lot to learn about logic.
You have 'all' to learn about spirituality.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89503 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see your words, but I still do not see any proof.
In fact, many biblical prophecies have already came true.
Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulf...
10 prophecies predicted in the Bible & fulfilled in history
http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/...
1. Children will be dishonorable to their parents (meaning misbehaving to dishonor them).
2. Lawlessness will abound.(look at our inner cities in USA and around the world)
3. Good will be called evil, evil will be called good.
4. Natural disasters will be like birth pains (increase in intensity, increase in number, be closer together).
5. Israel will be completely surrounded by the enemy.(Syria, Iran, Egypt, all muslim countries are enemies of Jews and Christians. Zechariah 14:1-2, Joel 3:1-3)
6. Wars and rumors of wars.(How many wars have we fought, sometimes 3 at once. How many rumors of wars do you hear daily now?)
7. Drought and famine (exist in some nations, even though we have enough food and water)
8. Disease epidemics (so many incurable diseases, some are God's punishment for sexual immorality)
9. Rise of an aggressive Fundamentalist Islamic Power (Daniel 11:40-43)
10. One world religion (Vatican or Islam) Islam certainly wants religious reign over every nation.
11. One world currency (Euro has been incorporated into many european nations)
12. One world power (United Nations seem to control our wars or European Union wants to reign supreme power)
13. Powerful religious figure (false prophet, Possibly the pope or future pope, could be leader of Islam??? Rev. 19:19-21, Rev. 13, 17, 19. Isaiah 47:1)
14. Gospel of Kingdom of God is preached to all nations (tv, radio, internet, cell phones, video cameras, satelite, cable, wireless technology now)
15. Faith again becomes a matter of life or death (many countries are murdering all of its citizen Christians and Jews Rev. 12:17, 14:12)
16. The Great Tribulation (collapse of english speaking nations, or "Jacob's trouble", Jeremiah 30:7, Luke 21:23, Matt 21:21-22)
17.heavenly signs of the Day of the Lord (Matt 24:29, Rev. 6:12-13)
18. The seven last plagues (Rev 6:17, Rev 7, 8, 11:15,/even as He returns, the deceived nations of mankind will fight and curse Him who is their very creator! Rev 16:21, 17:14)
I just found this very interesting. Jesus said "no on knows the exact day or time of day of His return except God, but THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS UNTIL THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE". What does generation mean to Jesus?
Tomorrows World. org/ Fourteen signs announcing Christ's Return plus other booklets for free.
Too long didn't read.

The terribly flawed failed Tyre prophecy sinks your boat.

And actually it is twofer. Zeke through in a failed prophecy that Nebby would defeat Egypt too.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89504 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Isaiah 19 is a prophecy about Egypt that is being fulfilled right now and the coming of the Messiah is apparently imminent. Jesus never rose from the dead, that is a fantasy and a lie. If Jesus did rise from the dead, the resurrection is past. He's damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.
Wrong. Isaiah 19 has been said to be coming true for about 2,000 years now.

It lost all credibility as a prophecy by failing the Nostradamus test. If a prophecy is so vague that it can be interpreted to cover several events it is not a prophecy anymore.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89505 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have 'all' to learn about spirituality.
Is that what you call self delusion?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89506 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Isaiah 19 is a prophecy about Egypt that is being fulfilled right now and the coming of the Messiah is apparently imminent. Jesus never rose from the dead, that is a fantasy and a lie. If Jesus did rise from the dead, the resurrection is past. He's damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.
no, it is a vague reference and todays events fit into that vague reference, mush like your horoscope today fit the events of your actual day, in a vague sort of way.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89507 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have 'all' to learn about spirituality.
you have yet to learn that the god of the bible has been proven false. there is no such being. you are following a cult.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89508 May 18, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Praise his mighty name, Amen.
you mean praise his proven false name? why would you praise something that you know has been proven to not be? is the cult that strong in you? that is not a healthy mindset...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89509 May 18, 2013
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89510 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have yet to learn that the god of the bible has been proven false. there is no such being. you are following a cult.
Where is your proof?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89511 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your proof?
given many,. many times on these pages and others.

an infallible god would not have made all the mistakes and lies in the bible. jesus would not be just a rehash of previous religious cult myths if he was real. everything from his virgin birht to his faked resurrection is stolen from previous cults.

you worship a proven myth.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89512 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see your words, but I still do not see any proof.
In fact, many biblical prophecies have already came true.
Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulf...
10 prophecies predicted in the Bible & fulfilled in history
http://sunandshield.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/...
1. Children will be dishonorable to their parents (meaning misbehaving to dishonor them).
2. Lawlessness will abound.(look at our inner cities in USA and around the world)
3. Good will be called evil, evil will be called good.
4. Natural disasters will be like birth pains (increase in intensity, increase in number, be closer together).
5. Israel will be completely surrounded by the enemy.(Syria, Iran, Egypt, all muslim countries are enemies of Jews and Christians. Zechariah 14:1-2, Joel 3:1-3)
6. Wars and rumors of wars.(How many wars have we fought, sometimes 3 at once. How many rumors of wars do you hear daily now?)
7. Drought and famine (exist in some nations, even though we have enough food and water)
8. Disease epidemics (so many incurable diseases, some are God's punishment for sexual immorality)
9. Rise of an aggressive Fundamentalist Islamic Power (Daniel 11:40-43)
10. One world religion (Vatican or Islam) Islam certainly wants religious reign over every nation.
11. One world currency (Euro has been incorporated into many european nations)
12. One world power (United Nations seem to control our wars or European Union wants to reign supreme power)
13. Powerful religious figure (false prophet, Possibly the pope or future pope, could be leader of Islam??? Rev. 19:19-21, Rev. 13, 17, 19. Isaiah 47:1)
14. Gospel of Kingdom of God is preached to all nations (tv, radio, internet, cell phones, video cameras, satelite, cable, wireless technology now)
15. Faith again becomes a matter of life or death (many countries are murdering all of its citizen Christians and Jews Rev. 12:17, 14:12)
16. The Great Tribulation (collapse of english speaking nations, or "Jacob's trouble", Jeremiah 30:7, Luke 21:23, Matt 21:21-22)
17.heavenly signs of the Day of the Lord (Matt 24:29, Rev. 6:12-13)
18. The seven last plagues (Rev 6:17, Rev 7, 8, 11:15,/even as He returns, the deceived nations of mankind will fight and curse Him who is their very creator! Rev 16:21, 17:14)
So what you're saying is that any prophecies that haven't been fulfilled yet are still evidence while the other "prophecies" are really nothing more than the same shite happening then happening now? BRILLIANT!
imagine2011 wrote:
I just found this very interesting. Jesus said "no on knows the exact day or time of day of His return except God, but THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS UNTIL THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE". What does generation mean to Jesus?
Quite obviously it means whatever you fundies want it to mean rather than what it actually means. Ya know, kinda like the shape of the Earth.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89513 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have 'all' to learn about spirituality.
We already know every bit as much about spirituality as you do. It is only your monumentally massive sense of self-importance that assumes you know more than everyone else.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89514 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
Jesus never rose from the dead, that is a fantasy and a lie.
YEAH, YOU TELL 'EM, SUZY!

>:-)

Ya hear that, imagine2011?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89515 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.
Since the Bible has laws dealing with all these things quite obviously this is not a prophecy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89516 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your proof?
You have already been provided with evidence that your Bible is not 100% correct. You have failed to address this and instead went on a spam-preaching spree.

So why be dishonest and demand evidence when you have zero interest in it in the first place?

Why is it you fundies are ALWAYS so dishonest?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89517 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your proof?
I know you don't know how to argue.

"Proof" is for mathematics and booze. When debating someone you ask for evidence. Then the evidence must be judged. Does the evidence form a conclusive whole? If so the person has made their case. Is the evidence self contradictory or contradictory of other evidence? If so the person has a bit of work to do.

If you want to claim the Bible is "perfect" then you must supply a shitload of evidence. And it all has to hold together, not be self contradictory, and it has to be verifiable. We on the other hand need to find only one flaw in the Bible to show that it cannot be used in a circular argument. For example the terribly failed Tyre prophesy. Or the countless self contradictions in the Bible.

Your book does not even get off of the starting blocks before it fails.

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