Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216925 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#89217 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>In the Tennessean language it is boo koo,
Oh, and FYI, it's pronounced "BO-koo".

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#89218 May 16, 2013
HTS wrote:
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What evidence do you have that the capacity to digest lactose resulted from a mutation? Do you have access to human DNA from thousands of years ago?
BTW, re" "Lacotose Intoerance": Have you heard about Ötzi, the 5300 year-old "Ice Mummy" they found in the Alps in 1991?

They *DID* extract some of his DNA, and guess what?

"Mutations to the iceman's MCM6 gene suggest he could not digest the lactose sugar in milk – unlike most modern Europeans. "Maybe at that time most people were still lactose-intolerant," says Zink. "The change to farming livestock [in Europe] only began between about 5000 and 10,000 years ago and so digesting milk became an advantage.""

He also had a better-than-average chance to develop heart disease.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21523-o...

So yes, we *DO* have DNA from ancient peoples (including Neanderthal -- who may also have been lactose intolerant).

The genetic mutations that cause lactose (in)tolerance is quite well known and documented, as well as the genes and mutations for a host of other benign and not-so-benign genetic conditions (see "Angelina Jolie"/brest cancer).

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#89219 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I think things in nature work a payment or concession to stimulate output or investment. WORK is the Whole Organizational Range of Kinds theory that explains some of this.
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#89220 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Well, come on man what do you think encourages living things to do what they do? Food and a place to reproduce is a great incentive.

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#89221 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Kong, I see you having some difficulty with this. Let me summarize the available information...

There are systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns.

I hope this helps.
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#89222 May 16, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Kong, I see you having some difficulty with this. Let me summarize the available information...
There are systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns and systems and cycles and patterns.
I hope this helps.
And that's just for starts!!!!

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89223 May 16, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and FYI, it's pronounced "BO-koo".
Not in Tennessee :^D

And for an outsider to correctly pronounce "Louisville" (I know, it is Kentucky not Tennessee) you can put either a handful of marbles or gravel in your mouth and your pronunciation will be just like a native's.
Patriot

Nashville, TN

#89224 May 16, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Tennessee has a separate language?
Try learning French. Or even English.
I speak Russian and Swedish in addition to Tennessean, English and some American.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89225 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Well, come on man what do you think encourages living things to do what they do? Food and a place to reproduce is a great incentive.
Um ... the instinct to not die.

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The Borderland of Sol

#89226 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>I speak Russian and Swedish in addition to Tennessean, English and some American.
I speak five languages, with varying degrees of fluency.

Six if you count Elvish.

English is not my first.

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The Borderland of Sol

#89227 May 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Not in Tennessee :^D
And for an outsider to correctly pronounce "Louisville" (I know, it is Kentucky not Tennessee) you can put either a handful of marbles or gravel in your mouth and your pronunciation will be just like a native's.
I remain unconvinced that most Americans speak English at all...

SORRY!

Hehehe.

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Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#89228 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Now please tell me again the number of years you served and to what rank you acquired,
All my life and , I am a Field Marshal and have never suffered defeat.

HTS

Englewood, CO

#89229 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, re" "Lacotose Intoerance": Have you heard about Ötzi, the 5300 year-old "Ice Mummy" they found in the Alps in 1991?
They *DID* extract some of his DNA, and guess what?
"Mutations to the iceman's MCM6 gene suggest he could not digest the lactose sugar in milk – unlike most modern Europeans. "Maybe at that time most people were still lactose-intolerant," says Zink. "The change to farming livestock [in Europe] only began between about 5000 and 10,000 years ago and so digesting milk became an advantage.""
He also had a better-than-average chance to develop heart disease.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21523-o...
So yes, we *DO* have DNA from ancient peoples (including Neanderthal -- who may also have been lactose intolerant).
The genetic mutations that cause lactose (in)tolerance is quite well known and documented, as well as the genes and mutations for a host of other benign and not-so-benign genetic conditions (see "Angelina Jolie"/brest cancer).
In the first place, radiometric carbon dating is invalid for dates beyond about 3,500 years, because no calibration curves have been calculated.
Second, the mutation resulting in lactose digestion is believed to have occured 52,000 years ago.
Third, the existence of lactose intolerance in an ancient mummy provides no evidence that everyoone during that time period was lactose intolerant.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89230 May 16, 2013
HTS wrote:
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In the first place, radiometric carbon dating is invalid for dates beyond about 3,500 years, because no calibration curves have been calculated.
Second, the mutation resulting in lactose digestion is believed to have occured 52,000 years ago.
Third, the existence of lactose intolerance in an ancient mummy provides no evidence that everyoone during that time period was lactose intolerant.
You know, if I was as stupid as you, I'd never show my face in public for fear of being recognized. You have already been informed that carbon dating is not the only dating method utilized, and in ice samples, you don't even use carbon dating.
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#89231 May 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um ... the instinct to not die.
Some creatures who mate for life don't live long after their mate dies, why is that?

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#89232 May 16, 2013
HTS wrote:
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What evidence do you have that the capacity to digest lactose resulted from a mutation? Do you have access to human DNA from thousands of years ago?
For one thing it is isolated to discreet populations. For another, it was unnecessary until we started using milk as a food source. That didn't happen until very recent times. I believe that the center of origin of the mutation is Egypt. As a matter a fact, we do have access to DNA from humans of the recent past. As a matter of fact, science has put together a much of the Neanderthal genome. A small amount of that genome has been demonstrated to be in us modern humans. Do you not read anything but the Bible? You don't appear to read that with any comprehension either.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89233 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Some creatures who mate for life don't live long after their mate dies, why is that?
Erm, evolutionary trait, why do you ask questions that are answered in textbooks?
HTS

Englewood, CO

#89234 May 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You know, if I was as stupid as you, I'd never show my face in public for fear of being recognized. You have already been informed that carbon dating is not the only dating method utilized, and in ice samples, you don't even use carbon dating.
What methology was used to date the mummy, and what is the proof that it is accurate and reproducible?
HTS

Englewood, CO

#89235 May 16, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>For one thing it is isolated to discreet populations. For another, it was unnecessary until we started using milk as a food source. That didn't happen until very recent times. I believe that the center of origin of the mutation is Egypt. As a matter a fact, we do have access to DNA from humans of the recent past. As a matter of fact, science has put together a much of the Neanderthal genome. A small amount of that genome has been demonstrated to be in us modern humans. Do you not read anything but the Bible? You don't appear to read that with any comprehension either.
Nice dodge, Dan.
You didn't explain how anyone has documented that the capacity to digest lactose is the result of a mutation. All you've presented is raw speculation.

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#89236 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Some creatures who mate for life don't live long after their mate dies, why is that?
Perhaps because no-one is watching their back.

Never mind - some creatures who mate for life die young, too. Without losing a mate.

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