Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168971 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#89187 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Maybe if we stop the personal attacks on here, we could get back to the topic at hand and come up with ways of understanding mechanisms that produce change in natural systems, or something.
Those ways have already been discovered and are understood… by some and ignored by others.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89188 May 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Those ways have already been discovered and are understood&#8230; by some and ignored by others.
Well maybe they shouldn't ignore this. Our Earth is a balanced system and minor changes and little stimulus might drive great change.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89189 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Well maybe they shouldn't ignore this. Our Earth is a balanced system and minor changes and little stimulus might drive great change.
...and you feel this is a relevation of some sort?

Have you not been reading the reports of the impact of mankind on Climate Change?
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89190 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
...and you feel this is a relevation of some sort?
Have you not been reading the reports of the impact of mankind on Climate Change?
I know what you are saying, but understanding how systems balance and reach stability to function may help future generations to solve problems.
Patriot

Antioch, TN

#89191 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Well maybe they shouldn't ignore this. Our Earth is a balanced system and minor changes and little stimulus might drive great change.
Over time it has been noted changes of weather/ climate patterns "cycles" have occurred.One needs to consider the sources of and from which all these schemes come from.A lot of folks stood to make boo koo $ if all that climate laws,etc passed. any fines revenue would have went into the pockets of the "golbal elites" and done nothing to help environment.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89192 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Over time it has been noted changes of weather/ climate patterns "cycles" have occurred.One needs to consider the sources of and from which all these schemes come from.A lot of folks stood to make boo koo $ if all that climate laws,etc passed. any fines revenue would have went into the pockets of the "golbal elites" and done nothing to help environment.
Yes Sir, rich folk want to get richer and then they die leaving a lot of it stacked up sometimes.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89193 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Over time it has been noted changes of weather/ climate patterns "cycles" have occurred.One needs to consider the sources of and from which all these schemes come from.A lot of folks stood to make boo koo $ if all that climate laws,etc passed. any fines revenue would have went into the pockets of the "golbal elites" and done nothing to help environment.
FWIW, I am not a fan of the "Carbon Tax", either, and for the same reasons.

That does not discount the fact that Humans HAVE exacerbated the warming of this planet through our disrespect for the environment out of pure greed and overpopulation.

I only hope that humankind is as clever so as to figure a way out of this mess before it's too late.

“Just because it is possible”

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Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89194 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Maybe if we stop the personal attacks on here, we could get back to the topic at hand and come up with ways of understanding mechanisms that produce change in natural systems, or something.
I think you will find what you are looking for in a field called science.

“Just because it is possible”

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Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89195 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
FWIW, I am not a fan of the "Carbon Tax", either, and for the same reasons.
That does not discount the fact that Humans HAVE exacerbated the warming of this planet through our disrespect for the environment out of pure greed and overpopulation.
I only hope that humankind is as clever so as to figure a way out of this mess before it's too late.
Don't forget ignorance and denial. I do have hope we can come up with productive technical achievements to overcome our frailties.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#89196 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Well maybe they shouldn't ignore this. Our Earth is a balanced system and minor changes and little stimulus might drive great change.
That does not stop the creatards trying to change the facts now does it?

Also note that little changes can be fatal, ask Thomas Midgely Jnr, his little change reduced the “knocking” in petrol engines, and even today 60 odd years later thousands of people a year are dying from that little change. He is also responsible for getting rid of that nasty ammonia as a coolant for fridges, he replaced it with CFC gasses. Thousands of people a years are contracting skin cancer because of that little change.

Ask him, Oh you can’t, he died by strangling himself in the invention he made for helping polio suffers get out of bed. In my view, it could not have happened to a more deserving person.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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The Borderland of Sol

#89197 May 16, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Over time it has been noted changes of weather/ climate patterns "cycles" have occurred.One needs to consider the sources of and from which all these schemes come from.A lot of folks stood to make boo koo $ if all that climate laws,etc passed. any fines revenue would have went into the pockets of the "golbal elites" and done nothing to help environment.
That would be "beaucoup".

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#89198 May 16, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I think you will find what you are looking for in a field called science.
"Field"?

He couldn't handle a flowerpot called "science".
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89199 May 16, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Field"?
He couldn't handle a flowerpot called "science".
Wait a minute now, I stand out in my field all the time!

Since: Apr 13

Scappoose, Oregon USA

#89200 May 16, 2013
First of all let me say that creationism does not run counter to natural selection. However, evolution DOES run counter to biological science! Any time you have a naturally occurring change in a genetic structure, it's called a 'mutation' and to this day mutations are never a positive thing. They result in D formations, diseases, and things like that. And besides that, when I stand on a mountaintop at sunset, just as God created me and watching the world around me shift from day to night as the place where I'm standing passes through the terminator line on the planet's surface, I see nothing but evidence of creation. Sorry, but I don't see things that used to be pond scum that somehow decided to become trees and the other millions of life forms before me!
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89201 May 16, 2013
Jenji wrote:
First of all let me say that creationism does not run counter to natural selection. However, evolution DOES run counter to biological science! Any time you have a naturally occurring change in a genetic structure, it's called a 'mutation' and to this day mutations are never a positive thing. They result in D formations, diseases, and things like that. And besides that, when I stand on a mountaintop at sunset, just as God created me and watching the world around me shift from day to night as the place where I'm standing passes through the terminator line on the planet's surface, I see nothing but evidence of creation. Sorry, but I don't see things that used to be pond scum that somehow decided to become trees and the other millions of life forms before me!
Nice post.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89202 May 16, 2013
Jenji wrote:
First of all let me say that creationism does not run counter to natural selection. However, evolution DOES run counter to biological science! Any time you have a naturally occurring change in a genetic structure, it's called a 'mutation' and to this day mutations are never a positive thing. They result in D formations, diseases, and things like that. And besides that, when I stand on a mountaintop at sunset, just as God created me and watching the world around me shift from day to night as the place where I'm standing passes through the terminator line on the planet's surface, I see nothing but evidence of creation. Sorry, but I don't see things that used to be pond scum that somehow decided to become trees and the other millions of life forms before me!
As an (presumed) "adult", do you drink milk or consume other dairy products? Or are you lactose-intolerant?

The ability for adults to digest dairy products (from other species, mind you) is just ONE of a host of 'beneficial' mutations that most humans have today.

Appreciating nature, and ascribing the wonders therein to God is fine, but you should learn more about the mechanisms (described by science) as to HOW He did it -- at least to our best current knowledge.

“Just because it is possible”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89203 May 16, 2013
Jenji wrote:
First of all let me say that creationism does not run counter to natural selection. However, evolution DOES run counter to biological science! Any time you have a naturally occurring change in a genetic structure, it's called a 'mutation' and to this day mutations are never a positive thing. They result in D formations, diseases, and things like that. And besides that, when I stand on a mountaintop at sunset, just as God created me and watching the world around me shift from day to night as the place where I'm standing passes through the terminator line on the planet's surface, I see nothing but evidence of creation. Sorry, but I don't see things that used to be pond scum that somehow decided to become trees and the other millions of life forms before me!
It is just speculation, but I would bet that your erroneous conclusion stems from the fact that negative mutations often result in diseases. These negative results are more prominent and make it seem like mutations just cause disease to the lay population. I would bet that you don't even think about things like the mutation that allows some of us to digest milk as adults or color vision in primates and many, many, many others. These things are mutations with benefits, but they don't make headlines like cancer does.

“Just because it is possible”

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Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89204 May 16, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Nice post.
That you agree with this erroneous, sappy drivel says more about what you don't understand and don't know than what you think you do.

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Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89205 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
As an (presumed) "adult", do you drink milk or consume other dairy products? Or are you lactose-intolerant?
The ability for adults to digest dairy products (from other species, mind you) is just ONE of a host of 'beneficial' mutations that most humans have today.
Appreciating nature, and ascribing the wonders therein to God is fine, but you should learn more about the mechanisms (described by science) as to HOW He did it -- at least to our best current knowledge.
Kong are you reading my mind? I hope not. There are some pages within.
HTS

Williston, ND

#89206 May 16, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
As an (presumed) "adult", do you drink milk or consume other dairy products? Or are you lactose-intolerant?
The ability for adults to digest dairy products (from other species, mind you) is just ONE of a host of 'beneficial' mutations that most humans have today.
Appreciating nature, and ascribing the wonders therein to God is fine, but you should learn more about the mechanisms (described by science) as to HOW He did it -- at least to our best current knowledge.
What evidence do you have that the capacity to digest lactose resulted from a mutation? Do you have access to human DNA from thousands of years ago?

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