Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168467 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

Patriot

Nashville, TN

#89023 May 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Okay, so now you are saying that your god is only as powerful as a computer. That sort of makes your god weak, since, well, pretty much everyone with any tech savvy knows what you just posted.
You totally missed the simple point I was making.A 4 year old would have seen the point.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#89024 May 14, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>That is closest I can come in order to deal on the level of many of the folks on here.It must have stung you also according to your assertion..
Stung? Hardly. You have a vastly overblown sense of your own self-importance.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89025 May 14, 2013
I have been trying to find others who understand the simple fact that in all situations where natural systems are observed, cycling happens with them. It is also observable that every natural system will follow a pattern. Now, if we can say this is a true principle, we can give explanations as to the whys and wherefores from our own perspectives here and propose a theory.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89026 May 14, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I have been trying to find others who understand the simple fact that in all situations where natural systems are observed, cycling happens with them. It is also observable that every natural system will follow a pattern. Now, if we can say this is a true principle, we can give explanations as to the whys and wherefores from our own perspectives here and propose a theory.
A tad late, Scooter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_theory

Jump to: navigation, search Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems in general, with the goal of elucidating principles that can be applied to all types of systems at all nesting levels in all fields of research.[citation needed] The term does not yet have a well-established, precise meaning, but systems theory can reasonably be considered a specialization of systems thinking, a generalization of systems science, a systems approach. The term originates from Bertalanffy's general system theory (GST) and is used in later efforts in other fields, such as the action theory of Talcott Parsons[1] and the social systems theory of Niklas Luhmann.[2]

In this context the word systems is used to refer specifically to self-regulating systems, i.e. that are self-correcting through feedback. Self-regulating systems are found in nature, including the physiological systems of our body, in local and global ecosystems, and in climate—and in human learning processes.

<<end cut/paste -- much more at link above>>
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#89027 May 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Great! You should therefore have no trouble in providing the mathematical formula which unequivocally objectively demonstrates universal creation via invisible Jewish magic-poofing.
(Dude watches tumbleweed roll by in the wind)
In contrast, you will provide proof that the advanced mathematical formulas of the universe were randomly created by invisible number naturalists who themselves were randomly created by random supervisors of randomness. LOl.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#89028 May 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have anything that's actually evidence?
Your random creation by non living matter is found wanting which means one should look elsewhere.

“The argument has been repeatedly made that given sufficient time, a genetic instruction set and language system could have arisen. But extended time does not provide an explanatory mechanism for spontaneously generated genetic instruction. No amount of time proposed thus far, can explain this type of conceptual communication system. It is not just complex. It is conceptually complex.”

Biologists J. T. Trevors and D. L. Abel, "Chance And Necessity Do Not Explain The Origin Of Life," Cell Biology International 28 (2004), 729-739.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89029 May 14, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
A tad late, Scooter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_theory
Jump to: navigation, search Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems in general, with the goal of elucidating principles that can be applied to all types of systems at all nesting levels in all fields of research.[citation needed] The term does not yet have a well-established, precise meaning, but systems theory can reasonably be considered a specialization of systems thinking, a generalization of systems science, a systems approach. The term originates from Bertalanffy's general system theory (GST) and is used in later efforts in other fields, such as the action theory of Talcott Parsons[1] and the social systems theory of Niklas Luhmann.[2]
In this context the word systems is used to refer specifically to self-regulating systems, i.e. that are self-correcting through feedback. Self-regulating systems are found in nature, including the physiological systems of our body, in local and global ecosystems, and in climate&#8212;and in human learning processes.
<<end cut/paste -- much more at link above>>
Nope, you're still not exlaining cycling patterned natural systems.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#89030 May 14, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
In contrast, you will provide proof that the advanced mathematical formulas of the universe were randomly created by invisible number naturalists who themselves were randomly created by random supervisors of randomness. LOl.
No.

The "advanced mathematical formulas" of which you speak are created by humans. To describe observed effects in the Universe.

Which they do, with ever-increasing accuracy.

You sorta skipped math as well as science, didn't you?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#89031 May 14, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>No.
The "advanced mathematical formulas" of which you speak are created by humans. To describe observed effects in the Universe.
Which they do, with ever-increasing accuracy.
You sorta skipped math as well as science, didn't you?
Though they could have been created by God and man learned them.
You sorta skipped logic ,right?

"The genetic code turns out to be a syntactic structure of arithmetic, the result of unique summations that have been carried out by some primordial abacus at least three and half billion years ago."

Mathematician and geneticist Vladimir Shcherbak.

The mathematician Roger Penrose dismisses the idea that the success of mathematics can be attributed to its survival value, and attributes the accord between mathematics and physics to the underlying rationality of the world. That would explain why Nobel-winning quantum physicist Paul Dirac said,“God is a mathematician of a very high order.”

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#89032 May 14, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Though they could have been created by God and man learned them.
You sorta skipped logic ,right?
"The genetic code turns out to be a syntactic structure of arithmetic, the result of unique summations that have been carried out by some primordial abacus at least three and half billion years ago."
Mathematician and geneticist Vladimir Shcherbak.
Meh. He also believes that DNA is a decimal system.{shrug}
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#89033 May 14, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Meh. He also believes that DNA is a decimal system.{shrug}


He liked shrimp scampi ,too.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89034 May 14, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you're still not exlaining cycling patterned natural systems.
Compared to what YOU have "taught" us, the single paragraph I supplied earlier is a friggin LIBRARY of information.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#89035 May 14, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Compared to what YOU have "taught" us, the single paragraph I supplied earlier is a friggin LIBRARY of information.
I don't see anything you supplied related to the group of propositions we are explaining.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#89036 May 14, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see anything you supplied related to the group of propositions we are explaining.
You have never explained anything comprehensible, but have explained everything it in a way intangible and inconceivable.

“Just because it is possible”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#89037 May 14, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Though they could have been created by God and man learned them.
You sorta skipped logic ,right?
"The genetic code turns out to be a syntactic structure of arithmetic, the result of unique summations that have been carried out by some primordial abacus at least three and half billion years ago."
Mathematician and geneticist Vladimir Shcherbak.
The mathematician Roger Penrose dismisses the idea that the success of mathematics can be attributed to its survival value, and attributes the accord between mathematics and physics to the underlying rationality of the world. That would explain why Nobel-winning quantum physicist Paul Dirac said,“God is a mathematician of a very high order.”
Let me guess. Your alter ego is used car salesman. You say a lot by bombing us with quotes, but you don't say much at all otherwise.
KJV

United States

#89038 May 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you know diddly squat. Because in the end you're just another monumentally massive ego-drividdlten fundie who thinks his baseless religious opinions are more important than anyone else's therefore they "must" be valid to everybody.

Fact is you are quite simply NOT that important.(shrug)
I do know Bo Diddly. Diddly squat? you're right I don't know him.
KJV

United States

#89039 May 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you are. All you fundies ever do is claim to know more about an invisible sky daddy you have zero evidence of then say "Here's what I hate - if you disagree you're in the SHITE, Mister!" (shrug)
Ah crap....... Do I really need to post all the evidence again?
KJV

United States

#89040 May 14, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I don't have a sub normal IQ in fact I'm in the top 1%. Do I expect you to believe that? What does a monkey like you think?
"

I expect you are in the top 1%, but it isn't on IQ. What you post here doesn't reflect an IQ above average at best.

Did I hurt your feelings? Good.
Nope your opinion means nothing. I have a document IQ in the USMC where I was instantly promoted to an officer after taking the IQ test. A piece of shlt like you would never even enlist yet along excel to the top as I did.
KJV

United States

#89041 May 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I don't have a sub normal IQ in fact I'm in the top 1%. Do I expect you to believe that? What does a monkey like you think?
"

Then why do you make such idiotic arguments?

Supposedly if your IQ was that high you would think you could understand the theory you are trying to argue against. Or see the many flaws in your Bible that you named yourself for.

It seems much more likely that you are simply a lying troll.
What ever.
KJV

United States

#89042 May 14, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Do you believe a lovely lady would do the humpty-hump with an ape?
"

Do you believe Kong is actually an ape?
Ask him! Are you an evolutionist?

I'm a human created this way your an ape. Sorry but that's you believe.

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