Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168968 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#87765 Apr 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm! Infinity falls under which context?
Brazil owns English!!!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#87766 Apr 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Which proves my point, you have everything tied up in this belief because your worldview is at stake, you HAVE to have it be true. Not because any evidence has lead you there
No dear, I was just kidding around. It is you and your fellow creatards who need the Bible to be completely true or it destroys your bedrock belief. In your world the Bible is the product of God. and He is not allowed to be wrong--ever.

Us atheist however, know that the Bible is a fully man-made product and we expect it to have problems, and it does. I know it has enough problems to destroy the religion, and it is my goal to bring these problems to everyone attention
Mary Magdalena

United States

#87768 Apr 26, 2013
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26-28
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Exodus 22:19
“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.

Leviticus 18:15-24
You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, and you shall not take her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are relatives; it is depravity. And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.“You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness....

Romans 1:26
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Mary Magdalena

United States

#87769 Apr 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Let's see, the simplest answer:

Natural Chemical Processes:

1. Natural chemical processes eventually lead to living organisms, such processes we already understand and are very simple and well understood.

"God dun it"

1. Some being that defies the laws of nature somehow sprung into existence.

2. This being somehow managed to start a universe that it is not part of.

3. This being managed to somehow guide the universe's formation without leaving any evidence.

4. This being then managed to somehow make all life and organize it in a manner that suggests natural processes, on one planet, among innumerable planets.

.... natural processes wins Occam's Razor.
Are you for real?

"Let's see, the simplest answer:
Natural Chemical Processes"

Your simple answer doesn't work.
It never has worked, it never will work.

Not so simple if even today science is clueless on how to make it happen.

Simple a goat herder can figure out with out 10 years at MIT.
Simple is what your brain is.

Life's creation for non-life not simple.

M&M

Mary Magdalena

United States

#87770 Apr 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>MUCH of your KJV Bible is dis-proven.

Sorry!
What's wrong with his copy?
Nothing been disproven in my copy.

Oh I see, you were just lying. That's an atheist thing isn't it?

M&M
Mary Magdalena

United States

#87771 Apr 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Related to the Super Devil?
I've had super good devils food cake but that's about as far as super can be applied to the devil.

M&M
Mary Magdalena

United States

#87772 Apr 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that is a cheap, chinese produced knock off of our brand name.

remember kids, pirating is not a victimless crime!
Super devil is a cheap, chinese produced knock off of our brand name.

Atheist?

M&M

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87773 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
What's wrong with his copy?
Nothing been disproven in my copy.
Oh I see, you were just lying. That's an atheist thing isn't it?
M&M
yup, lots of it disproven.

why would there even be different versions of a god's word?
Mary Magdalena

United States

#87774 Apr 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>

The entire establishment of the German Nazi party and Nazi Army, Navy, and Air Force used to buy into Christianity and totally rejected evolution also. What’s your point here??
"The entire establishment of the German Nazi party and Nazi Army, Navy, and Air Force used to buy into Christianity and totally rejected evolution also. What’s your point here??"

Oh come on..... You don't believe this crap do you? for real?

Someone get the smelling salt this guy is out cold and dreaming up a storm.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...

"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."

Oh this is real Christian like!

Get real.

M&M

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87775 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
Super devil is a cheap, chinese produced knock off of our brand name.
Atheist?
M&M
no, new and improved ULTRA GOD!!! is a wholly owned subsidiary of Ronco Inc.

if you buy the trinity package*...three ULTRA GODS!!! for the price of one...you also get a Popeil's Pocket Fisherman for NO EXTRA CHARGE!

*trinity package not available in Jerusalem and Mecca...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87776 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you for real?
"Let's see, the simplest answer:
Natural Chemical Processes"
Your simple answer doesn't work.
It never has worked, it never will work.
Not so simple if even today science is clueless on how to make it happen.
Simple a goat herder can figure out with out 10 years at MIT.
Simple is what your brain is.
Life's creation for non-life not simple.
M&M
yet the idea of using a proven false god is more plausible?

we know for a fact all the elements needed for life were there.

we know for a fact none of the madeup gods were there.

there is not one shred of evidence for any other god, gods or goddesses.

yes, all the evidence would say that abiogenesis is far more plausible.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87777 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26-28
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Exodus 22:19
“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.
Leviticus 18:15-24
You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife; it is your brother's nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, and you shall not take her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are relatives; it is depravity. And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.“You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness....
Romans 1:26
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
if you continue in leviticus past the stoning the fags to death...hey, why did you leave that part out? do you stone homosexuals to death in the name of your god? why not? don't you believe int he word of your god?....anyhoo, if you continue, you get to the part where your mythical god says it is OK to OWN OTHER HUMANS...how fun is that?!?! do you own othere humans? why not? your god gave it the Siskell and Ebert 'two thumbs up'!
jade

Liverpool, UK

#87778 Apr 26, 2013
WATCH THIS IT EXPLAINS IT

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#87779 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"The entire establishment of the German Nazi party and Nazi Army, Navy, and Air Force used to buy into Christianity and totally rejected evolution also. What’s your point here??"
Oh come on..... You don't believe this crap do you? for real?
Someone get the smelling salt this guy is out cold and dreaming up a storm.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Oh this is real Christian like!
Get real.
M&M
Selective breeding is the opposite of natural selection and widely known and practices for thousands of years prior to Darwin.

Darwin was on the Nazi banned book list:
http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burne...

Get an education.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#87780 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"The entire establishment of the German Nazi party and Nazi Army, Navy, and Air Force used to buy into Christianity and totally rejected evolution also. What’s your point here??"
Oh come on..... You don't believe this crap do you? for real?
Someone get the smelling salt this guy is out cold and dreaming up a storm.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Oh this is real Christian like!
Get real.
M&M
Hitler had Darwin's books (among other, similar science books) burned.

Meanwhile, do you recall someone by the name of Martin Luther?
The founder of the Protestant Reformation in 1517?

He wrote a book entitled "On the Jews and Their Lies", in which he said some WONDERFUL (/SARCASM) things about the Jewish peoples. He recommended:

1.for Jewish synagogues and schools to be burned to the ground, and the remnants buried out of sight;
2.for houses owned by Jews to be likewise razed, and the owners made to live in agricultural outbuildings;
3.for their religious writings to be taken away;
4.for rabbis to be forbidden to preach, and to be executed if they do;
5.for safe conduct on the roads to be abolished for Jews;
6.for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed and "put aside for safekeeping"; and
7.for the Jewish population to be put to work as agricultural slave laborers.

The prevailing scholarly view since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany's attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the Nazis displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Strmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published.

<<from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_... >>
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#87781 Apr 26, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Well sir, I have never quoted Johnson,
You're stupid AND mendacious. You quote Phillip Johnson (and the other Discovery Institute flacks) all the time. You seem quite content to carry water for that lying scumbag for Jesus. What does that make YOU?
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
lawyers have a reputation for wanting to "win" despite the truth.
And Phillip Johnson and Casey Luskin, et al, the supposed "Christians," are PRIME EXAMPLES OF THIS.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
On the other point, establishment can be entirely in error. This happened in the NW US concerning the Missoula Flood. The Geologist that proposed it was beat down by the entire gov geologic establishment in two countries, but was vindicated after his death.
And science CORRECTS ITSELF when the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable, unlike you dimwitted Jesus Freaks.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
One thing he purposed was short duration catastrophisim - oh, goodness! a back door tactic for those horrible ID people, grab your trench coats, commence the witch hunt, ID in disguise! Bias is so dull.
What's infinitely dull for the rest of the world is watching the workings of your third-rate mind.

Science can account for countless catastrophes in the 4.5 billion year history of the earth.

It just finds no evidence for a supposed Noah;s Flood, which is rightly seen as a Bronze Age fairy tale.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have presuppositions,
Your presuppositions are stupid and childish, i.e. that the Genesis creation myth is somehow literal history that happened 6000 years ago, despite 200 years of science in EVERY FIELD that refutes the idiotic idea, a supposition that you NEED to shamelessly repeat because otherwise you feel your religion and faith are worthless.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have presuppositions, but complexity doesn't arise in a mindless, self-driven system of hopeful forward complexity in experience or experiment.
Yes it does. Science see it all the time.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have faith, and fear. If there are questions to be answered that challenge Scripture I have confidence they will be answered.
Not by you, anyone on this thread, or anyone in your shabby little world of non-denom fundamentalism, apparently.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Fantastic complexity, the closed system of the cell, proof of the Biblical major geologic events (like the Great Unconformity), history, archeology evidence, its all there and fits, outside of my faith.
No, all of that "fits" only INSIDE the little encircled wagon train of your ignorant, shabby "faith." It should tell you SOMETHING that the only people spout the idiot nonsense you guys do is a small group of American Protestant fundamentalists.
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
And yes, Adam and Eve were real people, because the Bible states so in many places. As more clues come in, who know's what can happen next? Eve in the mDNA made some headlines, what will you say if Adam turns up, will your side change position again?
Yeah, there, in plain English, is the stupidity of your point of view: "It's true because the Bible says so, no matter what science has discovered."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Ev...

Quotes:

Mitochondrial Eve, who is estimated to have lived approximately 190,000200,000 years ago, refers to the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living modern humans.

Unlike her biblical namesake, she was not the only living human female of her time. However, her female contemporaries failed to produce a direct unbroken female line to any living woman in the present day.
Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived approximately 200,000 years ago.

Y-chromosomal Adam is estimated to have lived between 237,000 and 581,000 years ago based on a study published in 2013.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87782 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"The entire establishment of the German Nazi party and Nazi Army, Navy, and Air Force used to buy into Christianity and totally rejected evolution also. What’s your point here??"
Oh come on..... You don't believe this crap do you? for real?
Someone get the smelling salt this guy is out cold and dreaming up a storm.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Oh this is real Christian like!
Get real.
M&M
In fact, and the real world, Eugenics , which is what the nazis were following and wholly supported, was started in the US. it was supported by several major US universities and many, many christians in the US.

it was actually practiced in the US by christians until the 1960's.

isn't your cult fun!!!!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#87783 Apr 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if you continue in leviticus past the stoning the fags to death...hey, why did you leave that part out? do you stone homosexuals to death in the name of your god? why not? don't you believe int he word of your god?....anyhoo, if you continue, you get to the part where your mythical god says it is OK to OWN OTHER HUMANS...how fun is that?!?! do you own othere humans? why not? your god gave it the Siskell and Ebert 'two thumbs up'!
Oh, Leviticus applies only to the Levites.

Except for that bit about homosexuality, of course.

Sheesh.

*snerk*

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#87784 Apr 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>In fact, and the real world, Eugenics , which is what the nazis were following and wholly supported, was started in the US. it was supported by several major US universities and many, many christians in the US.
it was actually practiced in the US by christians until the 1960's.
isn't your cult fun!!!!
WHY do Fundies not have a clue about history?!?!

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#87786 Apr 26, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
Super devil is a cheap, chinese produced knock off of our brand name.
Atheist?
M&M
What about the Chinese Jesus?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...

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