Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171619 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87683 Apr 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You need read the account of Genesis there was a source of light before the sun was created, that light took care of the plants,etc before sun created. First thing God did was say "Let there be light" and there was light.
yeah sure...the sun was not formed after the earth...sorry.

and where is this light now? it didn't say he took the light away, did it?

if you have to change the words of your god to make it work, it is no longer the word of a god.

how bout the moon being created at the same time as the sun? we know that didn't happen. why would a god get that wrong?

your god is a proven myth.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#87684 Apr 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>All they have is empty rhetoric and name calling. They think they are menacing, I laugh at them at how pathetic they actually are. I can eat ones like them for breakfast.
Are you two finished patting each other on the ass yet?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#87685 Apr 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>you rebutted nothing, I told your hard head I was going to answer the days in question, I made it clear I was addressing part of the "alledged discrepancies" of time that is accounted for due to the differences in how the Hebrews counted the hours of the day as opposed to how ones counted the hours at the time of John's writing. YOU insist on being a smart @** that is too silly to know how silly you actually are. I will let you in your ignorant bliss figure it out on your own. If you want to call someone a moron you need to talk to the reflection in the mirror.I am wasting no more effort on you.
Mark has Jesus eat the Pascal meal (after dark, i.e. at the beginning of the Passover first day), then get arrested, tried and executed on that Passover day.

John does not have Jesus eat a Pascal meal but get tried and executed on the Day Of Preparation for the Passover, i.e. the day the lambs are slaughtered in preparation for that night's Passover seder. john says this EXPLICITLY, as part of its agenda to present Jesus as a pascal Lamb, slaughtered for our sins, etc.

Two different days. Scholars have known this as a (ahem) "problem" for the Bible for 2000 years.

Your Bible contradicts itself. The "Word of God' wouldn't contradict itself, would it? Surely "God" knew what day he had been killed on right?

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Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#87686 Apr 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You need read the account of Genesis there was a source of light before the sun was created, that light took care of the plants,etc before sun created. First thing God did was say "Let there be light" and there was light.
Bwahahaha, that's a good joke.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#87687 Apr 25, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark has Jesus eat the Pascal meal (after dark, i.e. at the beginning of the Passover first day), then get arrested, tried and executed on that Passover day.
John does not have Jesus eat a Pascal meal but get tried and executed on the Day Of Preparation for the Passover, i.e. the day the lambs are slaughtered in preparation for that night's Passover seder. john says this EXPLICITLY, as part of its agenda to present Jesus as a pascal Lamb, slaughtered for our sins, etc.
Two different days. Scholars have known this as a (ahem) "problem" for the Bible for 2000 years.
Your Bible contradicts itself. The "Word of God' wouldn't contradict itself, would it? Surely "God" knew what day he had been killed on right?
Well he was rather busy that day. Perhaps he forgot to look at a calender.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#87688 Apr 25, 2013
sd_mi_70 wrote:
<quoted text>
Occams Razor says that all things being equal the simplest answer tends to be the right one. So the 2 answers we have is that an omnipotent being created what we have, or that the perfect storm of dust and primordial ooze came together and formed our planet and that after millions of years we were the result. I tend to believe in God at that point.
"God" is an answer to the question of creation in the same way that "Chicken" is an answer to 2+2. Barring evidence that either answer is correct, they can both be ignored.

BTW... I'll accept your non-reply to my previous post to you as approval of it contents.
bohart

Newport, TN

#87689 Apr 25, 2013
sd_mi_70 wrote:
<quoted text>
So where did the Earth come from? Can you prove that? Also these non-credible scientists have all had works published and the Global Warming scientists have been shown that they skew their results to favor policy change at the UN. For every credible scientist that claims to have Global Warming pinned down another shows that this theory is wrong. There are hundreds of sites that contradict each other and each using the exact same data. There is no thermometer that proves climate change.
The EPA and NASA have been shown that they adjust their numbers each year based on new found evidence. What others found is that the numbers look at rural and densely populated areas and instead of averaging the 2 which is what should happen, these organizations have been shown to adjust the rural temps up to match the densely populated areas where concrete, steel and other man made object collect and store heat. If you look at water you will find that at the bottom it is warmer than the middle and the surface is different than both of those. So the average temp of the water must be the true temp or should we adjust all of them to fit the theory we are trying to force on everyone?
The evidence that God created things is right there in front of you. We speak, and some of us multiple languages. How many languages can a primate learn? Think a gorilla learns to speak spider monkey or knows chimpanzee? Man was created by God in my opinion. Science can't disprove that as of yet as science still cannot prove where or even when the Earth was created. Take the Grand Canyon. How was the Grand Canyon created? My guess is that you believe what they tried to teach us in school and that a river cut through it over the years. Some scientists went and looked and found that the landscape of the edges would suggest that in order for the water to cut through the land it would have to have flowed upwards. Water simply would not have done that and it would have went around. It is more likely that the land was flooded and that when the water receded, like we see with mud puddles, and the land dried that it cracked in a weakened area.
So no, science has yet to prove that God does not exist. Occams Razor says that all things being equal the simplest answer tends to be the right one. So the 2 answers we have is that an omnipotent being created what we have, or that the perfect storm of dust and primordial ooze came together and formed our planet and that after millions of years we were the result. I tend to believe in God at that point.
You are correct, the simplist and most logical answer for life is a creator.A pool of dust and sludge requires too much faith.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87690 Apr 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, the simplist and most logical answer for life is a creator.A pool of dust and sludge requires too much faith.
outside of the fact that there isn't one shred of evidence of any creator at all...

not really that simple if you have to invent a creator.

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Since: Apr 13

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#87691 Apr 25, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Salma, evolution IS filled with enough facts that it's considered true now....but it will always be called 'The Theory of Evolution'
Are you a Muslim or Christian?
What facts are you refering to? Why are we not still evolving?
bohart

Newport, TN

#87692 Apr 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>outside of the fact that there isn't one shred of evidence of any creator at all...
not really that simple if you have to invent a creator.
and really ,really not that simple if you have to believe in a primordal sludge.

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Since: Nov 07

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#87693 Apr 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, the simplist and most logical answer for life is a creator.A pool of dust and sludge requires too much faith.
"God"... the religious answer for everything... and the explanation for none of it

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Since: Apr 13

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#87694 Apr 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>outside of the fact that there isn't one shred of evidence of any creator at all...
not really that simple if you have to invent a creator.
You of all people should believe the bible and God are real, after all you believe Obama is great and a good President, without any proof. God should be easy for you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87695 Apr 25, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>What facts are you refering to? Why are we not still evolving?
we are.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87696 Apr 25, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text> You of all people should believe the bible and God are real, after all you believe Obama is great and a good President, without any proof. God should be easy for you.
actually, i am not an obama supporter. never have been , pookie.

perhaps you should go back to dancing on the graves of the boston bombing victims for your partisan political hacking... their bodies are cold now, but you should be able to still stomp on their memories like a good little cockroach...

please replace the flowers when you are done dancing...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87697 Apr 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
and really ,really not that simple if you have to believe in a primordal sludge.
but we know all those elements were there. there is no evidence any god, gods or goddesses were there. not one shred...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#87698 Apr 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, the simplist and most logical answer for life is a creator.A pool of dust and sludge requires too much faith.
Counting on a made-up creature that floats in the sky and interferes in human matters is a pretty long stretch also.

Especially since there is not one iota of evidence for its existence--ever.
bohart

Newport, TN

#87699 Apr 25, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Counting on a made-up creature that floats in the sky and interferes in human matters is a pretty long stretch also.
Especially since there is not one iota of evidence for its existence--ever.
counting on a made up puddle of primordial sludge is a really long strech!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#87700 Apr 25, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>What facts are you refering to? Why are we not still evolving?
I'm going to refer you to a book called "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne Ph.D. He is a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago. He can explain it *much* better than I can. Good writer and his book is in libraries.

Who says we're not still evolving. It's such a slow process (mostly), that I doubt if we would see that much happening.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#87701 Apr 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
counting on a made up puddle of primordial sludge is a really long strech!
but it is not made up. we know all teh elements for life were here.

you have to make up out of whole cloth this mythical 'creator' for you magic to have happened...
bohart

Newport, TN

#87702 Apr 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>but we know all those elements were there. there is no evidence any god, gods or goddesses were there. not one shred...
I believe we were discussing simplicity based on the idea of Occams razor. To say that a hodge podge of ingrediants floating in a primordial sea came to life in some spasmostic eruption,not different than a miracle, that even the most brillant men of any age cannot comprehend how it occurred is not a simple answer.

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