Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 199201 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#86027 Apr 12, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Evidence of Extraterrestrial origins...
Is what?
KJV

United States

#86028 Apr 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter at all that you don't buy into dating. It's true and it works well. Your denial is just your way to keep the myth alive in your mind.

Hear that....the REAL world is calling you.
Now back to us.

Your science and you claim that the universes is 13.7 billion or 14 billion or 15 billion years old give or take. The exact date is not important at all.
The fact is you and your science agree on one very important item. That item is the universe had a start, A beginning.

The word universe means all matter and space and energy, not that is known but ALL matter, space & energy that would include Multi verses.

So we have a date that science and you agree that the Universe (ALL matter, Space & energy) started. Before the start of the universe there was no matter or space or energy because if there was then there would have been the universe and hence no beginning date that science and you claim was about 14 billion years ago ( give or take a few billion ). So this brings us to the same point that you laugh at Theist about. Your universe model sprang fourth from nothingness.

Nothing then poof everything.
But in your case there is nothing or no reason for this magic to have happened.

Christians have a big advantage to your beliefs we know why and how.

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#86029 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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LOL
"our universe is part of something larger: a multiverse."
This writer does not know common definition of words used daily in science.
And you quote him. LOL
Follow the piper.
What words? Specifically explain yourself or you carry no merit. But it was imaginary that you ever did carry merit.

There is something larger, it was of merit and it wasn't what YOU thought.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#86030 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us God created all things in heaven and earth and Jesus said God is a Spirit who is in Heaven.
You are being hoodwinked....

The Bible is full of myths, mostly not true happenings.
FREE SERVANT
#86031 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Irrelevant.
No it isn't! The earth and all of mankind is the world and the great expanse of space and earth is the abode of God and the angels. When the earth was created Heaven covered it like a dome called the firmament.

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#86032 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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If there are Multiverses they would be inside the Universe by definition.
Look up what the universe is. It's black and white. The word universe mean all
Not some, ALL matter, space,energy.
Nothing about different dimensions being excluded. That is a fact mr. tick.
Twisting words (all out lying about them) will not win you crap. Go back to your Multi Myths!
It's not understanding, it's your understanding.
Which is lacking.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86033 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>No it isn't! The earth and all of mankind is the world and the great expanse of space and earth is the abode of God and the angels. When the earth was created Heaven covered it like a dome called the firmament.
pffft!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#86034 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>No it isn't! The earth and all of mankind is the world and the great expanse of space and earth is the abode of God and the angels. When the earth was created Heaven covered it like a dome called the firmament.
"And ye who will learn not from that which is before thee, shall forever abide in darkness." - Lev.1:12.
FREE SERVANT
#86035 Apr 12, 2013
I believe in Jesus and the scriptures and the Bible tells us there was a beginning and In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

“Yeah, but...”

Level 3

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#86036 Apr 12, 2013
Evolution = Creation.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86037 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I believe in Jesus and the scriptures and the Bible tells us there was a beginning and In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Do you also believe in the [previous religious cults the story of jesus was taken from? your cult isn't even original...
FREE SERVANT
#86038 Apr 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"And ye who will learn not from that which is before thee, shall forever abide in darkness." - Lev.1:12.
We are born in the darkness and Jesus is the light of the world. Jesus is the only reason we can be forgiven for wrongdoings and inherited sin and be made clean in the sight of God.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#86039 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>We are born in the darkness and Jesus is the light of the world. Jesus is the only reason we can be forgiven for wrongdoings and inherited sin and be made clean in the sight of God.
But you refuse to learn.

As the poor servant buried the talents given him, and used them not.

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#86040 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us God created all things in heaven and earth and Jesus said God is a Spirit who is in Heaven.
Just leave it alone, ok?

I'm a believer, quit the bible thumping!
FREE SERVANT
#86042 Apr 12, 2013
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Just leave it alone, ok?
I'm a believer, quit the bible thumping!
OK Man. I hope I have helped people learn about creation.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#86043 Apr 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Now back to us.
Your science and you claim that the universes is 13.7 billion or 14 billion or 15 billion years old give or take. The exact date is not important at all.
The fact is you and your science agree on one very important item. That item is the universe had a start, A beginning.
The word universe means all matter and space and energy, not that is known but ALL matter, space & energy that would include Multi verses.
So we have a date that science and you agree that the Universe (ALL matter, Space & energy) started. Before the start of the universe there was no matter or space or energy because if there was then there would have been the universe and hence no beginning date that science and you claim was about 14 billion years ago ( give or take a few billion ). So this brings us to the same point that you laugh at Theist about. Your universe model sprang fourth from nothingness.
Nothing then poof everything.
But in your case there is nothing or no reason for this magic to have happened.
Christians have a big advantage to your beliefs we know why and how.
You write:
“Your science and you claim that the universes is 13.7 billion or 14 billion or 15 billion years old give or take. The exact date is not important at all.
The fact is you and your science agree on one very important item. That item is the universe had a start, A beginning.“

You are right the exact date is not important; in fact the exact date is impossible to determine. As far as the beginning goes, we ‘think’ it had a beginning 14+- billion years ago

You write:
“The word universe means all matter and space and energy, not that is known but ALL matter, space & energy that would include Multi verses.”

I don’t know that this is true, and I don’t believe you do either. Are you a physicist like Stephen Hawking?

You write:
“So we have a date that science and you agree that the Universe (ALL matter, Space & energy) started. Before the start of the universe there was no matter or space or energy because if there was then there would have been the universe and hence no beginning date that science and you claim was about 14 billion years ago ( give or take a few billion ). So this brings us to the same point that you laugh at Theist about. Your universe model sprang fourth from nothingness.”

Yes, this is the data that those scientists in the field hold. It sprang from essentially nothing, or a miniscule point of energy. I’m not a physicist so you need to go easy on me here..:-)

I do see where you’re going with this.

You write:
“Nothing then poof everything.
But in your case there is nothing or no reason for this magic to have happened.”

I think it is entirely possible that sometime in the future a genius physicist may solve the problem, so we’ll just have to wait for that moment.

I think your God and our universe are inscrutable. Actually at this time I think your God is not real. We understand that the universe is true because we live in it and can see millions/billions of various points of data in it. We know we humans are made of star stuff, as we have a small bit of knowledge about how the universe works.

Your God is a real mystery. He has never shown himself, or done anything at all to prove his existence. His book, the Bible, is being shown to be nothing but myth/stories with some little connections to historical characters and places. ALL the foundational stories that set ‘Him’ up as the creator of our world and us humans are being proven wrong. It’s going to be interesting to follow what happens in the coming years.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86044 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>OK Man. I hope I have helped people learn about creation.
yes, the god of your cult had nothing to do with it, obvious by 'his own' writing...

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#86045 Apr 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, the god of your cult had nothing to do with it, obvious by 'his own' writing...
Woody, let it go, ok?

You believe or don't believe whatever you want!

Quit the cowpie slinging!

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#86046 Apr 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
You write:
“Your science and you claim that the universes is 13.7 billion or 14 billion or 15 billion years old give or take. The exact date is not important at all.
The fact is you and your science agree on one very important item. That item is the universe had a start, A beginning.“
You are right the exact date is not important; in fact the exact date is impossible to determine. As far as the beginning goes, we ‘think’ it had a beginning 14+- billion years ago
You write:
“The word universe means all matter and space and energy, not that is known but ALL matter, space & energy that would include Multi verses.”
I don’t know that this is true, and I don’t believe you do either. Are you a physicist like Stephen Hawking?
You write:
“So we have a date that science and you agree that the Universe (ALL matter, Space & energy) started. Before the start of the universe there was no matter or space or energy because if there was then there would have been the universe and hence no beginning date that science and you claim was about 14 billion years ago ( give or take a few billion ). So this brings us to the same point that you laugh at Theist about. Your universe model sprang fourth from nothingness.”
Yes, this is the data that those scientists in the field hold. It sprang from essentially nothing, or a miniscule point of energy. I’m not a physicist so you need to go easy on me here..:-)
I do see where you’re going with this.
You write:
“Nothing then poof everything.
But in your case there is nothing or no reason for this magic to have happened.”
I think it is entirely possible that sometime in the future a genius physicist may solve the problem, so we’ll just have to wait for that moment.
I think your God and our universe are inscrutable. Actually at this time I think your God is not real. We understand that the universe is true because we live in it and can see millions/billions of various points of data in it. We know we humans are made of star stuff, as we have a small bit of knowledge about how the universe works.
Your God is a real mystery. He has never shown himself, or done anything at all to prove his existence. His book, the Bible, is being shown to be nothing but myth/stories with some little connections to historical characters and places. ALL the foundational stories that set ‘Him’ up as the creator of our world and us humans are being proven wrong. It’s going to be interesting to follow what happens in the coming years.
Interesting that you think that when Jesus tells us that we are in no position to judge anybody, you think that is a fable?, you think that is something worthless?
Mark

United States

#86047 Apr 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You forgot Pol Pot in Cambodia. I don't know how many he killed, but it was in the millions, and as far as I know he was an atheists.
Do you know about the Christian wars? I doubt they killed as many as Stalin (he was a real true sociopath), but their death toll WAS in the millions and was absolutely uncalled for, and I really doubt that 'God' was behind ANY of it.
As late as the early 1800's the Catholics tried (probably succeeded in some cases), to kill people for blasphemy or heresy in some countries. They still tell politicians how the government should regulate marriage and sexual practices. And they are still responsible for thousands of deaths in Africa by their outmoded birth control policies among the poor.
There are always going to be bad and evil people plotting to take over and it always involves killing. Like Hitler, some will use religion, and some are just sociopaths and don't give a sh!t for human life.
Remember that atheists are tremendously UNDER represented in jails and prisons. We are generally good people...we just don't believe your myths.
There are a thousand cases where God fearing leaders stepped in at the right moment and prevented a conflict and/or slaughter- nuclear included. I agree with you that people are people, there are those of a good heart and those that are heartless regardless of their advertized faith. Where does this kindness come from? Accidents? Evolution completely fails at this point. If it is driven by survival of the fittest as Hitler believed its all backwards, where did the higher conciseness of love and kindness come from? I say God.

We Christians are to follow Christ, he turned away from power, revenge and fame, why? Because he understood the big picture and that people fail, are failures and need an example. The best of us are an image of what God is. Evil and free will are realities but God is not to be blamed for the bad that happens in this temporal world by the hand of evil men. It is finite and will be changed one day soon. As far as right and wrong, He is Creator and makes the rules. Human emotions are designed by God to establish marraige and family, playing games with these lead to destruction and pain for all those envolved but soceity wants its way. As I mentioned once before, when Ivan was ordered to attack the Germans deadly defenses, many "atheists" burned their party cards and made little crosses out of tin cans, you see, there is no hope in nothingness and the emotion of hope is as real as a bullet and also God designed. That was no myth to them, what would you do?

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