Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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<quoted text>Well, since he's supposed to be omnipresent and omnipotent, he could have a private conversation with each and every person that has ever lived at the same time.
God is a God of time and freewill.

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greymouser wrote:
I said on your reply:
True educated Christians, eh?
Almost sounds like the "No True Scotsman" fallacy needs to be renamed.
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Trying sleight of hand for misdirection on the internet is not a good idea. Your words are recorded.
My reply there was pointing out your phrase "True educated Christians" that leaves you lots of wiggle room.
And here you are trying to pick a pocket with your left hand but gesticulating wildly with your right to divert everyone's attention away from your left.
But you did succeed in one thing - I forgot the original argument and can't be bothered to research it. But that's what you are counting on.
On the downside, I can start to disregard your arguments just from your username now. It's not really an ad hominem fallacy when you've demonstrated yourself to be a charlatan.
Are you a charlatan?
No one can conclusively say, atheist or liars are the only educated in the universe. Not even you, Grey.

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The question is... You like to use science for your own ends when it suits you. And disregard it when it doesn't.
That pretty much sums up how you use the Bible, doesn't it?
Likewise.
Next?

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Boy are you confused!!
Switching on or off genes is mutation
Mutating would fall under growing gills something our kind doesn't have at all.
Pointed ears or brown eyes is not a mutation. Time to go back to school.
Mutation 101, the fantastic four. X-Men
No, you are confused. A mutation is any change in the nucleotaides of the DNA molecule. It can be as small as a simple point change or as large as a whole chromosome duplication.

Most mutations have no effect at all. Some have a small positive or negative effects, and a very few have a lethal effect.

Mutating = man growing gills in a single generation is just nonsense. You clearly have no more idea of the real science of Mutation 101 than the fantasy writers of X-men.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God is a God of time and freewill.
If God Knows all things in advance He must even know what decisions He will make in the Future, forever and ever, RIGHT NOW! God cannot ever surprise himself by changing His mind. If He already knew yesterday that he was going to "change his mind" - make a fresh choice - tomorrow, then its not really changing His mind! Its not really a new, fresh choice!

Therefore God has no Free Will.

Have you?

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If God Knows all things in advance He must even know what decisions He will make in the Future, forever and ever, RIGHT NOW! God cannot ever surprise himself by changing His mind. If He already knew yesterday that he was going to "change his mind" - make a fresh choice - tomorrow, then its not really changing His mind! Its not really a new, fresh choice!
Therefore God has no Free Will.
Have you?
Can you as a father and parent, control the entire lives of your kids, because they came through you?
This is the same with God.
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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>By enslaving them?
How does that work again?
Where do you get this? Jesus said his followers can do all things through faith in him. We will have the freedom to have the things our hearts dsire in the kingdom of heaven and Jesus said with this kind of faith we can speak to mountains and they will obey.
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The devil and his angels have enslaved as many as they can. The Bible tells us there is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched and it is prepared for Satan and his fallen angels. Every person has been given a way of escape from that awful place of torment and faith in Jesus is the way to eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No Mac, your ignorance.
The Christians never fought the Romans, it was all a divine thing.
True, the Christians never fought the Romans.

Nor did the Ainu.

"Divine"? WTF are you failing to express?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God is a God of time and freewill.
Bog is a Bog of bacon and cheese.

Were you trying to say something?

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<quoted text> Are you a charlatan?
No one can conclusively say, atheist or liars are the only educated in the universe. Not even you, Grey.
Nobody has said that.
As far as I know.

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<quoted text>Where do you get this? Jesus said his followers can do all things through faith in him. We will have the freedom to have the things our hearts dsire in the kingdom of heaven and Jesus said with this kind of faith we can speak to mountains and they will obey.
Ah.

The old "Pie-in-the-Sky" argument.

And have you even thought about "free servant"?

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The devil and his angels have enslaved as many as they can. The Bible tells us there is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched and it is prepared for Satan and his fallen angels. Every person has been given a way of escape from that awful place of torment and faith in Jesus is the way to eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.
Since I'm not Satan, nor one of his angels, why would I give a crap about this pit?
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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Since I'm not Satan, nor one of his angels, why would I give a crap about this pit?
This is getting far too old for me. No creationist has put up a lucid point of debate in a long time. Topix seems to be falling into troll status completely. Nobody is listening to anything the opposition says. They just repeat their own lunacy and add in a bit of name calling. I'm outta here.

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Mark wrote:
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Wishful stroke of the brush. I know these guys, they went into it thinking we are going to have to dig deep to find any issues with the isotope series - not as far as accuracy, but basic long age.
After 7 years work - wham!..the VOR was all off.
That's why Austin is getting past peer review presenting the paper.
After that I will take their word for it, logic is logic and facts are facts.
As far as my lack of knowledge goes, my Geo profs would disagree with you. Take any Geo in school Mike? Pound any rocks? Send any samples in for eval? Look at any core samples? Work underground? How about on 5 continents? Answer the questions for us then pass judgment on me.
Oh? Is it trade resume time? You figure you've got me beat because I've only spent time on 4 continents? Pretty weak crap, pal.

If you want to maintain that the RATE study was an honest endeavor, have at it. I know better. And so should you.

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<quoted text>You'd take the word of a guy that purposefully used equipment that couldn't date the samples he had accurately to try and create a hoax? why would you do that? that is not logical.
But it is pure fundie.
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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Since I'm not Satan, nor one of his angels, why would I give a crap about this pit?
If you choose to follow Satan you will go with him to that awful place. Call on the name of Jesus and he can stop this.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Can you as a father and parent, control the entire lives of your kids, because they came through you?
This is the same with God.
Nope. You have not answered the question at all. Just avoided it because it screws you completely.

You say God has free will. Yet God cannot do something today that he did not already know he was going to do today. He has known forever what His future decisions and actions would be, because He knows everything about everything, past present and future.

Therefore God cannot make any new choices. God cannot change his mind and surprise himself with a decision he did not already know he would make since the beginning of time.

God has NO FREE WILL!

Do you?

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The devil and his angels have enslaved as many as they can. The Bible tells us there is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched and it is prepared for Satan and his fallen angels. Every person has been given a way of escape from that awful place of torment and faith in Jesus is the way to eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.
" a way of escape from that awful place..."

Man, you cult really has you brainwashed...you aren't even there yet they have you convinced you have to escape it. that is some serious brainwashing!

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If you choose to follow Satan you will go with him to that awful place. Call on the name of Jesus and he can stop this.
I haven't chosen to follow Jesus or Satan. In fact I do not even believe they exist.

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